Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Jeff Pang
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:38:11 + modperl[at]att.net wrote: 3) capacity/scalable mod_perl is very scalable --- I mean, one can properly config a single server to handle dynamic content for 200K daily unique IPs. PHP may end up with just 100K and servlet ends up at around 50K. I'm just curio

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Jeff Pang wrote: > I'm just curious, is this performance data still true in today? > We have a new project building a website for a goverment which should handle > lots of transportation data, servlet and modperl are two choices. I don't know what the source of th

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Igor Chudov
My site algebra.com is about 80,000 lines of mod_perl code. I wrote a relatively large framework, with many homegrown perl modules, about five years ago. It uses a database, image generation modules, a big mathematical engine that I wrote (that "shows work", unlike popular third party packages), e

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Fred Moyer
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: > My site algebra.com is about 80,000 lines of mod_perl code. > > I wrote a relatively large framework, with many homegrown perl modules, > about five years ago. > It uses a database, image generation modules, a big mathematical engine that > I w

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Phil Carmody
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Igor Chudov wrote: > My site algebra.com is about 80,000 > lines of mod_perl code. > > I wrote a relatively large framework, with many homegrown > perl modules, about five years ago. > It uses a database, image generation modules, a big > mathematical engine that I wrote (th

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Phil Carmody
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Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Brad Van Sickle
This is a mod_perl list, so I would expect to see Perl championed pretty heavily, but Java, .net and there ilk are undoubtedly *the* choice for large web applications. I'd like to get into some discussion as to why almost all *large* sites choose these languages. I don't have any experienc

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Jenn G.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > I don't know what the source of that data was.  However, mod_perl is > basically just Perl, and Perl is very fast. I think the more exact statement should be, mod_perl is compiled perl, mod_perl is very fast. But perl CGI...I must say i

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Jenn G. wrote: > I think the more exact statement should be, mod_perl is compiled perl, > mod_perl is very fast. > But perl CGI...I must say it's very slow. Well, you can say CGI is slow, but Perl CGI is very fast compared to the alternatives. Have you ever tried

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Jenn G.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Perrin Harkins wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Jenn G. wrote: >> I think the more exact statement should be, mod_perl is compiled perl, >> mod_perl is very fast. >> But perl CGI...I must say it's very slow. > > Well, you can say CGI is slow, but Perl CG

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Jeff Nokes
31:30 PM Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl This is a mod_perl list, so I would expect to see Perl championed pretty heavily, but Java, .net and there ilk are undoubtedly *the* choice for large web applications. I'd like to get into some discussion as to why almost all *large* si

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Jenn G. wrote: > but nobody run Java or PHP as CGI. > the only thing I heard is somebody run php as fastcgi under lighttpd. Some cheap ISPs run PHP as CGI for security reasons. My point is, it doesn't make any difference if Perl is slow when you run it as CGI, s

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Steven Siebert
d > ~60 (prefork), significant CapEx and power savings (which adds up at a place > like eBay). > > > > -- > *From:* Brad Van Sickle > *To:* mod_perl list > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:31:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: Why people not using mod_perl > > >

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Igor Chudov
form supported > ~60 (prefork), significant CapEx and power savings (which adds up at a place > like eBay). > > > > -- > *From:* Brad Van Sickle > *To:* mod_perl list > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:31:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: Why pe

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Jeff Peng
from what you all stated, does it mean mod_perl is really outmoded comparing to Java? Here Java programmer is cheaper than mod_perl developer. But if mp can get better performance, we may consider it as first choice. Regards, Jeff.

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-16 Thread Jeff Nokes
, the #2 API client (in listings) was perl-based, and using it. Cheers, - Jeff From: Igor Chudov To: Jeff Nokes Cc: Brad Van Sickle ; mod_perl list Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:26:53 PM Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl You must have u

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Igor Chudov
and using it. > > Cheers, > - Jeff > > -- > *From:* Igor Chudov > *To:* Jeff Nokes > *Cc:* Brad Van Sickle ; mod_perl list < > modperl@perl.apache.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:26:53 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Why people not using mod_perl > > You mus

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Jeff Nokes
: Jeff Nokes Cc: mod_perl list Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52:38 AM Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl Interesting. I did not even know about that #2 guy. What sort of hardware and OS are you running there? Igor On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Jeff Nokes wrote: >W

RE: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Ihnen, David
difference) Sigh. David From: Steven Siebert [mailto:smsi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:15 PM To: Jeff Nokes Cc: Brad Van Sickle; mod_perl list Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl I would also add, in addition to the frameworks, the availability of tools such as

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Ihnen, David wrote: > Rather than develop and contribute the community the ideas used in > integrating (IDE-app server-version store-job management) for the perl > environment… you stop using perl for that. > > This is **exactly** why people are not using mod_per

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Boysenberry Payne
I wonder if this will still be the case with Parrot and Perl 6? I've read up on it a bit and with being able to compile multiple languages exposing their libraries to each other it would seem more programmers might be tempted into using Perl because of it's massive library base. What are th

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Adam Prime
Jeff Horwitz is working on mod_parrot and mod_perl6 mod_parrot info: http://www.parrot.org/mod_parrot Jeffs blog: http://www.smashing.org/jeff/ It's coming along, but currently it's tough to actually do much that's useful without things like DBI, or Apache::Request. at least that's where it

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Fred Moyer
good.ebay.com, global.ebay.com (cross-border trade), >> dealfinder.ebay.com, etc.  In fact, on the same hardware, the main eBay Java >> app would support ~6 threads per box; the mod_perl platform supported ~60 >> (prefork), significant CapEx and power savings (which adds up at a place

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Igor Chudov
Just to add a little bit. In my experience, perl programming requires a certain type of mind. I cannot define it very precisely, but not everyone can "think in perl". Those who can, basically, have a huge advantage over those who cannot, but that naturally limits perl adoption somewhat. I think th

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Kiran Kumar
> > Emacs, Vim, Komodo, and others are equally as capable in the Perl > domain.  What you don't have as much of in the Perl domain is the > commercial support for those tools, with the exception of ActiveState. >  I just pulled down the latest copy of Komodo and took it for a spin; > though however

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Torsten Foertsch
On Thu 17 Sep 2009, Kiran Kumar wrote: > There is also Padre (http://padre.perlide.org/) , You can write > plugins and customize to your needs, there are already lots of > plugins available >  http://search.cpan.org/search?query=padre%3A%3Aplugin&mode=all I have seen padre first time at the this y

RE: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Ihnen, David
.com] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:22 PM Cc: mod_perl list Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl Just to add a little bit. In my experience, perl programming requires a certain type of mind. I cannot define it very precisely, but not everyone can "think in perl". Those who can

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Steven Siebert
> > Add to this Jeff's comment on the availability of high caliber perl > > engineers...we are almost forced to make this decision. > > Maybe you aren't looking in the right places: > > http://jobs.perl.org > YAPC::* > This email list > The Perl Mongers groups > > Dice, Craigslist, Monster, etc. ar

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Adam Prime
Torsten Foertsch wrote: On Thu 17 Sep 2009, Kiran Kumar wrote: I have seen padre first time at the this year German perl workshop in February and tried it out a bit. What I miss is syntax highlighting and indentation for C, XS and Perl in one tool. Can padre handle this? Last time I looked it

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-17 Thread Jeff Peng
Just was curious, is CGI running with perl6 most likely the same as Java with JVM? Regards, Jeff Peng

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-18 Thread Clinton Gormley
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 23:12 +0200, Torsten Foertsch wrote: > On Thu 17 Sep 2009, Kiran Kumar wrote: > > There is also Padre (http://padre.perlide.org/) , You can write > > plugins and customize to your needs, there are already lots of > > plugins available > > http://search.cpan.org/search?query=p

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-09-18 Thread William T
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Clinton Gormley wrote: > I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned EPIC, the Perl plugin for > Eclipse.  It works really really well, at least as well as the Java > version (although it can't do as much prediction as Java can because of > the nature of static vs dyna

RE: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-10-23 Thread Ihnen, David
: Brad Van Sickle [mailto:bvs7...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:32 PM To: mod_perl list Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl But I'm very interested to know at what point (if any) a site/app grows too large or too complex for mod_perl and what defines that turning

Re: Why people not using mod_perl

2009-10-24 Thread William T
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Ihnen, David wrote: > > But I'm very interested to know at what point (if any) a site/app grows too > large or too complex for mod_perl and what defines that turning point. > Could Amazon run on mod_perl for example? To me mod_perl is just a platform like most oth