Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Nedžad Hrnjica
Hello, I am interested in volunteering (performing duties of a PMC member) some of my time/knowledge to keep this project up and running. Nedzad Hrnjica ned...@nedzadhrnjica.com On 2021-03-17 20:40, Sander Striker wrote: Dear community members, As projects mature, they will naturally reach

RE: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread dcook
Sounds like mod_perl would benefit from using some CI tools. Looks like ASF provides some via https://ci.apache.org/? David Cook Software Engineer Prosentient Systems Suite 7.03 6a Glen St Milsons Point NSW 2061 Australia Office: 02 9212 0899 Online: 02 8005 0595 -Original Message-

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Michel Jansen
Isnt it interesting to know how many, happy, users modperl has? Michel > Op 18 mrt. 2021 om 06:07 heeft Fred Moyer het > volgende geschreven: > > Longer response here. > > So I'm happy to be another active PMC member still involved. As > someone with a growing family, my time is limited,

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Michel Jansen
Hi there, If it aint broken it doesnt have to be fixed. Our purchase system is running almost 20 years on modperl and there is no reason for is to stop this. We are very happy with it. How about that? Michel Jansen > Op 18 mrt. 2021 om 17:48 heeft adam.pr...@utoronto.ca het volgende

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 02:46:19PM -0400, Jim Albert wrote: > OK... last email on this topic. > I feel like I'm getting replies like I'm from another planet for > asking prudent questions. > If others want to keep their heads in the sand and get a huge > surprise someday when a Perl update or a

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 02:46:19PM -0400, Jim Albert wrote: > OK... last email on this topic. > I feel like I'm getting replies like I'm from another planet for > asking prudent questions. > If others want to keep their heads in the sand and get a huge > surprise someday when a Perl update or a

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Albert
OK... last email on this topic. I feel like I'm getting replies like I'm from another planet for asking prudent questions. If others want to keep their heads in the sand and get a huge surprise someday when a Perl update or a new version of Apache they just installed breaks mod_perl or there's

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Michel Jansen
Hi there, If it broken it doesnt have to be fixed. Our purchase system is running almost 20 years on modperl and there is no reason for is to stop this. We are very happy with it. How about that? Michel Jansen > Op 18 mrt. 2021 om 17:48 heeft adam.pr...@utoronto.ca het volgende geschreven: >

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Albert
sorry for so much top-posting, but that seems to be the flow in this forum. I also notice a lack of reply-to header or some other reason that a reply action is to sender rather than modperl@perl.apache.org... kind of annoying unless my MX is messing with the forum's headers. OK... so an

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread adam . prime
If you go back to Sander's original email, he outlines what will happen if we can't staff the PMC sufficiently to meet Apache's guidelines. The project woudl go to the attic[1]. There are lots of projects in the Attic. Some of them have been forked and continue to have development done on

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Albert
On 3/18/2021 10:41 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37:02AM -0400, Jim Albert wrote: When mod_perl does come to an end what would an End of Life look like? maybe we can focus on keeping it maintained... really. A secure well written project like modperl doesn't need new

Re: mod_perl alternatives

2021-03-18 Thread Perrin Harkins
I don't think there's any sudden urgency to switch to something else, since nothing has actually changed about the state of mod_perl. However, if you do want to migrate to something else, you should look at Plack: https://metacpan.org/pod/Plack Plack is not a drop-in replacement for mod_perl, but

RE: mod_perl alternatives [EXT]

2021-03-18 Thread James Smith
The problem is I don't think there is mod_perl is quite a unique infrastructure - across all language I believe! I don't think any other language/framework gives you this level of flexibility. Most frameworks just concentrate on the request phase and shoe horn everything in there - so you

Re: What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37:02AM -0400, Jim Albert wrote: > When mod_perl does come to an end what would an End of Life look like? maybe we can focus on keeping it maintained... really. A secure well written project like modperl doesn't need new features and people destroying its API. It

What would a mod_perl EOL look like?

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Albert
When mod_perl does come to an end what would an End of Life look like? I'm told mod_perl is an Apache Software Foundation project. Do Apache Software Foundation projects have a structured life cycle or do some just suddenly disappear with no warning given various situations that result in the

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 09:50:05PM -0400, Jim Albert wrote: > Not that I want to be the guy that says it sounds like we'll be > pulling the mod_perl plug at any time the right scenario arises, but > is it reasonable to have a discussion here on mod_perl alternatives > inline with the various means

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
I am willing, but I am not sure how much expertise I have to the project. I can code in C and C++ and Perl ,and used modperl for decades, but I have never got into the guts of it. On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 08:43:25PM -0400, Adam Prime wrote: > When the roll call was done a month ago it's

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Steve Hay
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 05:07, Fred Moyer wrote: > > Longer response here. > > So I'm happy to be another active PMC member still involved. As > someone with a growing family, my time is limited, but not too much to > review and lend a +1 or feedback. I think that may be the case for a > few of

Re: [External] Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Jim, mod_perl, while a module, is it's own Top Level Project at the Apache Software Foundation.  So the Project Management Committee (PMC) of the mod_perl project determines how things go. For other modules that aren't their own project, they fall under the Apache HTTPD PMC's domain. Right

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Jim Albert
Thanks for the thorough response, Fred. At some point before mod_perl stops having any development support would you expect an End Of Life announcement with reasonable advanced notice? I haven't followed discussion or announcements on other Apache modules to know how modules normally reach