the
difference: what Ernst Horn does on stage is generating sounds with
several synthesisers, old-fashioned computers and even tape recorders.
So in MB terminology, he is live audio engineering.)
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the libraries and other services anyway. :-S
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you can - amazon.com and so forth do worldwide delivery.
Yes, and worldwide delivery is another way of saying get someone to
send that to me. I'm glad you're both of the same opinion. ;-)
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lost. This information might no longer be on MB, but hey can easily be
found. Just think about how many fan pages or cover scans, used to prove
an edit, you've seen during the last month.
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since the release type isn't tagged.
Just as a side note: it is! There just are no players etc. that use
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there had
not been any other opinions. The wiki page however does not mention this
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. Back to RFC and let there be a newly
rephrased proposal.
I had already dropped back to RFC, and I thought the subject line would
reflect this. ;-)
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. As they are right now, they surely are not easy to
understand, so I'd rather see them re-ordered.
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derGraph wrote:
Simon Reinhardt wrote:
I must admit it was a bit hot when I wrote that and after it I
thought: hmmm.. that's all bullshit. I think you're right, one
general type probably won't work. I have a real life example for you:
I just thought about other real-life examples when I had
) are tricky
to handle.
If it works for the majority of cases, or maybe even for all but very
few, I'd say we should go ahead!
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this determined by the MemberOfBandRelationshipType only?
And if we do, where's the line to draw?
BTW, in my opinion this is too much debate not to drop back to RFC.
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would be able to save a search for the key
phrases into a virtual folder (AFAIK several mail clients already offer
this feature). This could at least help keeping an eye on the time
passed, but I'd favour to have this additionally to everything else.
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to hinder the
progress of this.
That's all right! Your post shows that we need to define the guidelines
in all details before adding the AR. And now finally the discussion has
become really productive.
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idea, and it would surely be of help, but I think we should
welcome any aid we can get.
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),
these restrictions have to be enforced by guidelines and voting only.
Whoever sees a problem arise in this change shall veto it now.
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mean that B's style is
influenced by A. Right?
We had also discussed the wording evolved into and evolved from. If
you think this wording is a problem, then you should veto now. But in
this case, I'll send another RFV for the alternate wording.
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dead sure!, then I'm completely
satisfied and even support it.
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to be what is printed on most covers, we should also
use Sentence Case.
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on the cover, but The Hunt for
Red October on the inside.
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sequence in which the names were used.
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Simon Reinhardt wrote:
derGraph wrote:
Of course! With artists, albums and tracks as nodes and ARs as
vertices, the data we already have make an immensely large directed
graph, and people like Shepard spend much time to expand it. With
that directed graph you could for example determine
Schika wrote:
I wouldn't trust the info given from the Amazon shops. I've founded so
much crap they entered in their system.
True. I usually only use the release dates at Amazon to back up
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these examples cry for a new AR. Something like
[group1] was renamed to [group2] ,
or maybe was known as ... after or is the predecessor of.
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for that reason, though.)
Second, and more grave, a Google search for De Bello Gallico [1] shows
that the proposed capitalization is almost exclusively used on Italian
sites, and the majority uses the capitalization I proposed here.
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in Latin was introduced by the
Roman Catholic Church it might have been influenced by other cultures,
like the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. These influences might
even have started in the time of the Roman Empire, when the empire had
its greatest expand.
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-folk, folk-rock, (neo-)medieval music and the like.
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Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
On 5/29/06, derGraph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the other proposed style, I'm pretty sure a list of Latin
prepositions, numerals, conjunctions, et cetera could be created. It
might even be short enough to create a Guess Case mode.
Certainly, we could list all closed
releases / valid official
sources. In this case we should consistently use the capitalization rule
which is the easiest to use. This reflects the fact that there is no
single official capitalization rule for Latin.
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joan WHITTAKER wrote:
[...] T Rex, who evolved out of the remains of the original
Tyrannosaurus Rex.
Jefferson Airplane was formed in 1965 [...] and the band changed
it's musical direction re-naming itself Jefferson Starship. [...]
and the band
Don Redman wrote:
Just for completeness of the summary, derGraph proposes to use 4,
because it is more commonly used on the internet, [...]
It's hard to show common usage in the real world, as I don't know the
URI schema for real world links. ;-) However, I've seen both sentence
,, and is a predecessor of doesn't
make much more sense.
If not then what does it mean for persons? Legal name changes? I
prefer handling this with a separate AR type.
I agree. Feel free to start a new thread. ;-)
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Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
Returning to the Latin guidelines: can your friend give us any
reference for those rules, perhaps something I can cite in the wiki?
No. It seems like it was an unwritten rule. Or as that friend of mine
said: it was usus, not lex.
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a release was
first made available through an import service an ReleaseEvent? Should
it be added to the release dates?
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of. The problem is that the release was imported. However, the
page suggest it's an official import. See
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0I2VK for details, especially
the 'label' section.
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there are
more important changes on MB to be coded.
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silence and then by
Funny Little Song, the correct track title would be Some Long Song /
Funny Little Song.
Correct?
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is already
covered by the SG. We usually don't add any album version info at all.
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it. Not a real solution anyway, because amaroK will still treat all the
songs as one album.
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there is no single disc release with only disc 1, therefore no disc can
be considered bonus, so in both cases I'd prefer (disc #).
Only my opinion, anyway.
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about impossible combinations as well, since the voting
system and voting practices usually help finding such faulty moderations
even before they're applied. Also it should be fairly simple to query
for such a combination.
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think it makes a good rule-of-thump.
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Don Redman wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:04:44 +0200, derGraph wrote:
The problem with such a graph is that quite often the subject of the
discussion changes, but the subject lines of the posts don't.
Therefore, this might be nice to look at, but not to be relied on.
Hmm, yes you would have
type / attribute / wording discussions. This whole
algorithm is biased on issues that need testing, so some people will be
misguided to think the test phase is required.
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album or track or artist co-executive co-produced album or
track.
I might be wrong, but it should be possible to solve this problem using
artist {coex:co-}executive {copro:co-}produced album or track
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what work a person in the studio did?
Not sure about in music terminology, but they're not equal in movies
and theater though.
Can you please tell us the difference, then?
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is valid, or if it
can be replaced with {executive:executive }.
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with PHP.
:-P But that's not MB-style, but MB-devel related.)
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to see Italian than English script on the cover.
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It seems like my post got lost somewhere, so I send it again. Please
excuse if it arrives twice.
Original Message
Subject: Re: Satire vs. Parody ... Re: [mb-style] new relationship
type parody
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:28:34 +0200
From: derGraph [EMAIL
Chris Bransden wrote:
good point. i would say make co an attribute, and executive a
sub-type, as producers/co-producers is a similar hands-on role, but
executive producers can mean a more external influence.
But isn't executive pretty much like the guest attribute on
performed-ARs?
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Chris Bransden wrote:
nope, see http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ProducerRelationshipType
producers aren't ever credited as guests,
I was talking about how influential the position is ...
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as a parody of another song.
Does this rough summary of this discussion satisfyingly answer your
question?
Again: Veto?
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, we might
also change the wording to parody/satire.
I guess we're back on the RFC phase, then?
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that's enough time for me to forget about
this thread. ;-)
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no way to avoid all
possible loss of data. The developers are doing their best to create new
means to store such data, but we simply cannot keep every bit of data.
Get along with that.
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* has amazon asin - has Amazon ASIN
I wonder how many people ever noticed this is a case of the RAS syndrome[1].
But then again, who would know what an ASIN is if it said nothing about
Amazon?
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? This seems like an artefact of a long-gone time when
the artist names were latinized ...
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when it was printed on the
cover. So even if we should ever agree to include (album version) on
singles if it is printed on the cover, we have already lost data, and
most likely will for some time until each moderator knows about the new
rule.
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a guideline to what we should
treat as ArtistIntent. For example, odd case or obscure spelling should
(almost) always be treated as ArtistIntent.
Any ideas?
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Don Redman wrote:
I think I could issue a request for veto now, but want to clarify
first whether (a) this should be just for the parody attribute, or (b)
for medley, too.
This seems to be a silent agreement for (a).
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be aware that such
a change will result in much work for all of us, since we have to add
data we previously did not store.
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(instrumental) on the cover.
Therefore, just like (live), this extra information should be omitted,
unless another non-instrumental version exists.
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It might be my poor understanding of the British tongue, but form my
point of view there might be a slight difference between backing and
background. I'm pretty sure you can take a backing part without being
pushed into the background.
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Lukáš Lalinský wrote:
derGraph wrote:
IMO, it is. The data tracks in most cases actually are not extra
tracks, but extra sessions.
This is what I don't like. In case of DVDs we are talking about track listings
printed on the cover. In case of CDs it's about tracksessions.
You
the
appropriate album attribute, we can easily find all the video entries
and change their titles and attributes.
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unreadable quickly.
Just one moderator's opinion, and the last thing I'll say on this topic.
If this is your final decision, I'll swallow it.
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some more oppinions _on_this_aspect_ please?
I would leave medley as it is, because a cover necessarily is on music
by another artist, while a medley not necessarily is. A cover and a
medley might be related close enough to group them together, but in my
opinion they are not equal.
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a cover. So to avoid confusion, I'd leave this out.
In the essence, I agree that we might as well add this as an attribute
to the cover AR, like
is a {parody} cover of,
is {parody} covered on.
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we should be penalising
users who just want to use the most basic and obvious information
about DVD releases.
Then why don't you use some kind of wiki? Perhaps a per-artist wiki page
on DVD releases? It might as well contain all the desired title information.
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http
Though he could see the soundwaves on the screen, now that I think
about it...
... or could plug the speaker cables into the graphics card output,
risking severe damage to the hardware. :-P But it would surely make some
noise, if only for a short time.
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on countless moderations.
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like media) with the audio
ripped of the DVD, it is bootleg.
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on [track]
Any thoughts, objections, flamings, ...?
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there
are also camera angles, but we don't discuss MovieBrainz here.)
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to replace / append / leave the comment
fields ('append' might be impossible to implement, though), since some
users might want to leave their comment tags as they are.
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such a good economy that distributing there would make much sense for
most labels.
Second, the fuzzy definition of Europe will tempt even more
inexperienced or lazy moderators to select Europe instead of searching
for the correct release country.
Just my opinion, anyway.
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. Not EU.
(Not only) since we're still talking about release countries, I would
prefer EU. But before another discussion leads us to another delay, I'd
better add that Europe is better than nothing, and as you said we can
still improve this one in the future.
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-arguments on this issue at each others head,
and before we're finished the EU has become a fully-qualified country
with a semi-democratically elected head of state.
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well.
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a problem with socialist releases? ;-)
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キラーパルス
1. OUR PASTRAL
2. J madd 9
3. Greed Meaning
4. ミルクカート
5. スノウライン
6. この気持ち
7. フィール ザ パルス
8. G to P
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10. BEACH
Forgive me my lack of education and my ignorance, but I don't understand
your example at all.
When do you write in what case?
just push bureaucracy aside here? I simply cannot imagine there
is any sensible reason for not adding such an AR type.
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Is it legal to rip the music off a DVD-Video?
Err, is that relevant?
If your argumentation builds on ripping audio streams from DVD-Video
releases: YES!
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