Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-29 Thread michael.dillon
I did swing by Radio Shack. It can be done, but then I thought about it and the professional queue system was $1500. I think that Merit should make an investment in it to improve the conference and speaking experience. It would be well worth it in terms of making things run smoother.

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Steve Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Ren Provo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We consider the surveys, in addition to mailing list and hallway discussions. I

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Pete Templin
Martin Hannigan wrote: Let me rephrase. I'm always skeptical when I hear terms like a lot of people told us... or everyone feels like or there's support for xyz. Who feels like that? Who supports xyz? Who told us? One PC member just put someone into context so I think it's fair to make

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: Let me rephrase. I'm always skeptical when I hear terms like a lot of people told us... or everyone feels like or there's support for xyz. Who feels like that? Who supports xyz? Who told

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:48:30AM -0500, Martin Hannigan wrote: The lightning talk expansion is great. The format is ok. I think that we should expand the time for lightning talks to include a 10 minute Q/A period at the end of the period instead of trying to cram questions into the end of

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: We might also want to invest in a timer that moves from green/yellow/red based on the alloted time. I noticed that some people were held to a rock solid standard, others weren't. It's distracting when the speaker gets verbal time warnings(not anyones fault, it

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Steve Gibbard
I'm sorry to be a bit contrarian here, but... Looking at the crowd that assembles for the peering BOF, it's clearly one of the more popular things on the NANOG program. It may not draw the raw numbers of people that the general session does, but it does tend to pack whatever room it's in.

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Martin Hannigan
It's distracting when the speaker gets verbal time warnings(not anyones fault, it just is). Time ticks are needed, but there's a better way to do it, methinks. [ clip ] When I mc part of the program, I have a powerpoint slide deck with 10 5 and 1 minute markers which I place in

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
-Original Message- From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:36 AM To: Joel Jaeggli Cc: nanog-futures Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout? It's distracting when the speaker gets verbal time warnings

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Martin Hannigan wrote: It's distracting when the speaker gets verbal time warnings(not anyones fault, it just is). Time ticks are needed, but there's a better way to do it, methinks. [ clip ] When I mc part of the program, I have a powerpoint slide deck with 10 5 and 1 minute

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-28 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: [ clip ] The point is that something non obtrusive would be better. The soft lighting of cue lights seems less intrusive, but they sure are damn expensive. I think I'll swing by Radio Shack

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread William Norton
On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Philip Smith wrote: : I should mention, as an FYI, that both Peering and Security BoFs have been integral part of APRICOT for some time. Apart from the plenary session, APRICOT has parallel tracks (we call them streams). The organisers of both tracks taking

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
Hallway discussions this past week in San Jose suggest some would like to see a more diverse selection of topics at the very least. Bill was asked on Wednesday not to make commitments until we, the NANOG PC, are able to review feedback and perhaps expand the cramped format into a track. Leave it

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
Joel spewed: I think it would be remiss of the pc to not review the status of program elements. That would be an abrogation of the responsibility invested the pc by the charter. Further I believe that PC review of a popular and successful program element would be with the goal of helping it

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread David Barak
--- On Wed, 2/27/08, Martin Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further I believe that PC review of a popular and successful program element would be with the goal of helping it grow. Can we see the procedure that you're going to make up to do this first? I'm not sure that pre-defining

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread Ren Provo
We consider the surveys, in addition to mailing list and hallway discussions. A rough cut from SJC was made available during the NANOG PC call this week but should be posted soon for NANOG42. Previous survey material - http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0710/surveyresults.html

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Ren Provo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We consider the surveys, in addition to mailing list and hallway discussions. I agree with the first two, but not the last. That's the clubby part. -M ___ Nanog-futures mailing

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-27 Thread Steve Feldman
On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Ren Provo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We consider the surveys, in addition to mailing list and hallway discussions. I agree with the first two, but not the last. That's the clubby part. I disagree with

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-25 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Patrick, Patrick W. Gilmore said the following on 25/2/08 11:00: Let's stop dancing around the issue. There was discussion regarding the Peering BoF amongst the SC PC. There is no reason to hide this fact - just the opposite. And there were at least some provisional outcomes

[Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Chris Malayter
Greetings All, What's the deal with the Peering BOF for NY? I've heard rumors running wild that we're not going to have one, we're going to have one but Bill isn't going to run it, to we're moving to a peering track and a track bases system. I would like to know what's the deal and would like

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Randy Bush
Chris Malayter wrote: Greetings All, What's the deal with the Peering BOF for NY? I've heard rumors running wild that we're not going to have one, we're going to have one but Bill isn't going to run it, to we're moving to a peering track and a track bases system. I would like to know

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread vijay gill
On 2/24/08, Chris Malayter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings All, What's the deal with the Peering BOF for NY? I've heard rumors running wild that we're not going to have one, we're going to have one but Bill isn't going to run it, to we're moving to a peering track and a track bases

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Chris Malayter
thanks mr murdoch. No problem Mr Hyde rumors of the bof's or bill's death are probably a bit exaggerated. Was just trying to get some transparency as to what was going on with it. randy Chris ___ Nanog-futures mailing list

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Randy Bush
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Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Joe Provo
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 03:12:55AM -0600, Chris Malayter wrote: Greetings All, What's the deal with the Peering BOF for NY? I've heard rumors running wild that we're not going to have one, we're going to have one but Bill isn't going to run it, to we're moving to a peering track and a

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Chris Malayter
Hey Joe, Would you ask the PC to release the minutes from the SJC nanog and any meeting since. Thanks, -Chris On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Joe Provo wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 03:12:55AM -0600, Chris Malayter wrote: Greetings All, What's the deal with the Peering BOF for NY? I've heard

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 03:12:55AM -0600, Chris Malayter wrote: Greetings All, What's the deal with the Peering BOF for NY? I've heard rumors running wild that we're not going to have one, we're going to have one but Bill isn't going to run it, to we're moving to a peering track and a track

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Richard, Richard A Steenbergen said the following on 25/2/08 08:21: Making a special exemption for Bill Norton (a member of the SC, which elects the PC) could easily give the impression of undue favoritism to the outside world, and defeat all of the work that has been put into

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:28:06AM +1000, Philip Smith wrote: Richard A Steenbergen said the following on 25/2/08 08:21: Making a special exemption for Bill Norton (a member of the SC, which elects the PC) could easily give the impression of undue favoritism to the outside world, and

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Chris Malayter wrote: Would you ask the PC to release the minutes from the SJC nanog and any meeting since. Given that the pc last met on tuesday at lunch, I think the minutes when released will prove to be a poor source the sort

Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Ren Provo
On behalf of the NANOG PC: Nothing has been submitted in the NANOG tool and nothing has been declined. The survey results from NANOG42 this week have not been made available to the PC yet. We would like to review community feedback on this topic. Hallway discussions this past week in San Jose