RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ken Schaefer
Let's try another one: I use an exploit (or even just VBA automation) in Word to password protect all your files. You need to pay me to get them back (or maybe I don't care whether you get them back, I just like inflicting pain - aka like most mass market viruses) Does whitelisting address this

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ken Schaefer
-Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 2:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Whitelisting >>> Whitelisting helps those who help themselves (corporately or individually). >>> Think of it as evolution in action. >> >>Th

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Ken Schaefer
SCVMM 2008 has limitations on what it can manage - so you'll still be breaking out the VMware tools to manage your VMWare side. Dunno about SCVMM 2012 Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 2:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray,

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ken Schaefer
How about I just load another bit of code into the process space of the existing, whitelisted application (e.g. a .dll). Then there is no need to spawn any separate executable process. Unless you are intending to fingerprint every single file on the system, we're back to square one. From: And

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
It doesn't help someone who has the authority to override the controls. But, thankfully, that's a smaller percentage than people who don't have that authority. AV also doesn't help the people who won't install it or update it. But it has managed to help others. UAC doesn't help people who turn

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
*>>Your buffer overflow example illustrates the point. * It really doesn't illustrate what you think it does, but there's no point in me going down this route any longer. You've chosen to selectively read what I've posted, and ignored clear examples that disagreed with your premise. We'll just h

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ken Schaefer
The first statement is wrong - there is no difference between data and code - they are just ones and zeros. Now, an application, can, tell an OS that certain memory addresses contain code that should not be executed. But some other application, loading exactly the same ones and zeros, can tell

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ken Schaefer
The user being socially engineered *is* the admin - it's a SOHO environment. It was the *line* just above what you quoted: "For the SOHO end user, the vast bulk of infections are either:" These types of users are being socially engineered *today* despite AV, code signing, UAC and any number of

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Crawford, Scott
Your buffer overflow example illustrates the point. What is being over-written into the host's execution area? Answer: code/data/1's and 0's from the data file. Having never written a buffer overflow attack, I'll take your word that it's "very, very hard to do for anything but the simplest funct

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Rankin, James R
I get much better XenDesktop performance on XenServer, FWIW ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: Jonathan Link Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:54:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Not like it's Tennessee or anyth

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
Just to clarify that you won't get DRS with the Essentials/Essentials Plus bundle as that comes with Enterprise onwards. From: Chinnery, Paul [pa...@mmcwm.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! If you

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Heaton, Joseph@DFG
That's something that can be highly variable also, depending on how resource hungry the guests will be. We're running a Dell blade chassis, with M710 servers, dual 6-core procs, and 96GB of RAM each. We average around 15-18 guests per host. Joe Heaton ITB - Windows Server Support From: David

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Cook
Why is it always about size??? ;-) We have a multitude of various servers - Exchange, Oracle, DCs, BES, Sharepoint, SQL, email archiving, AV, yada yada yada. That's only the production servers, we have a small test environment as well plus various random older servers that were P2V'd and are ke

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
Do you have a secondary SAN in case there is a problem w/ it? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I don't have vmotion, they're assigned to specific hosts, and

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Ziots, Edward
Yeah we are doing about 30+ guests per host, mostly blades systems here. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:20 PM To: NT System Admi

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Don Kuhlman
#2 is probably the current wave, but I would say it depends on your environment.  Large size enterprises probably keep several physical boxes for specific use (DC, etc.) On the other hand, I have a very small side client that I have even virtualized anything yet. They've got 4 locations, 3 serv

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
144gb of RAM and a pair of Xeon 56xx's (six core, I forget the exact model). Keep in mind that if you're like most people your first bottleneck will most likely be RAM, then disk, with CPU almost certainly last. I can run all that lot on a single box and it doesn't run slowly, but I would also

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Chinnery, Paul
If you have DRS turned on, yes. However, you can also designate that some will always be on the same host.For example, we have HCIS authentication server (file) that always uses a certain background server. So, if FSA is vmotioned to another host, BG1 will follow. From: David Mazzaccaro [m

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Andrew S. Baker wrote: >>> If it's an exploit, it's going to launch code. The code >>> won't run in a whitelisting environment unless it's approved by the admin. >> >>CMD /C DEL C:\*.* /S /Q /F /A > > A - Wouldn't work so nicely in 2008 and above, due to

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Jonathan Link
I don't have vmotion, they're assigned to specific hosts, and are all on the SAN. So, if a host fails, or I need to do maintenance I can down the guest and migrate it to another host. This works for hosts that aren't mission critical or can survive some downtime window during standard business ho

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Cook
You can create Host affinity which says they will migrate to a specific host but VCenter does a good job of balancing the migrations on it's own. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 2

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
We average about 20-25 guests per host right now. More in our development environment. What size hardware are you using? * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM, John Cook wrote: > We average

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
I'm thinking knocking 1 host off the quote would save me $25k - enough for a 2nd SAN to be placed in a secondary site. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Yes, unle

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Desmond
5-6 guests per host? How tiny are these hosts? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! We average 5-6

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
That is awesome. What are the hardware specs of the DL380? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Kurt Buff
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 23:24, Ken Schaefer wrote: >> To drive the point home - If I had to choose between whitelisting >> applications and blacklisting data, I'd choose whitelisting applications, >> every time. > > Why would you have to make a choice? They are not mutually exclusive options. Y

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
How does that work now? Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts? Or are they dedicated to specific hosts always? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Yes, unless your hosts are small, or your guests are huge. 10 guests would only need 2 hosts for redundancy purposes. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro < david.mazzacc...@h

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing host maintenance) on a single DL380. That's around 43 VM's including Exchange 2010, our AD and our primary file server. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April 201

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Cook
We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any host failure and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact the performance of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying to accomplish - the least possible number of physical boxes or some resiliency.

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Rankin, James R
Great info ASB, thanks, very relevant to a lot of work I've been doing. ---Blackberried -Original Message- From: "Andrew S. Baker" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:27:56 To: NT System Admin Issues Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" Subject: Re: Whitelisting *>>Data is code. Code is data. The

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Either choice can be made to work without tremendous difficulty. But they do require different considerations. You'll find enough folks on this list that subscribe to either perspective. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… *

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Jonathan Link
I have 11 guests. I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure without squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro < david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote: > How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts? >

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
System Center Virtual Machine Manager can manage both your VMWare and Hyper-V hosts... - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh546770.aspx - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg610610.aspx And there are backup solutions which are pointed at your HyperV host and will backup

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
*>>Data is code. Code is data. They’re both strings of 1’s and 0’s. * No, they are most certainly not the same. *>>The only difference is what is interpreting that string. * And that's a huge difference. *>>If data is data, how is it able to cause winword.exe to download a payload?* Well, he

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts? With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be overkill. Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent:

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Michael B. Smith
Not in my opinion. But it's all about what you are used to. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easi

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Michael B. Smith
I vote for #1. If you have a data-center failure, a standalone DC makes it just a little bit easier to get everything running again. (Note: I'm not suggesting it's a requirement, but if you are re-starting a datacenter after a full failure, every bit of simplicity helps.) From: Paul Hutchings

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Jonathan Link
Yes! By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-) And you may as well run a physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC. The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authentica

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Heaton, Joseph@DFG
All of our DCs are virtual. Just make sure they're on different hosts, in case the host crashes... Joe Heaton ITB - Windows Server Support From: Scott Crawford [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:42 AM To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray,

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Heaton, Joseph@DFG
Hmm... not sure how much it cost for us. We went with Dell TL2000 libraries, and the Dell iSCSI-SAS bridge card. Joe Heaton ITB - Windows Server Support -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:37 AM To: Heaton, Joseph@D

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
LOL... From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > You don't need any physical boxes at all. Period. I'd at least want some hosts J From: David Mazzaccaro [mailt

RE: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Desmond
Do you have root cert auto updating enabled? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: code signing certificate ?

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Desmond
The documentation currently says #1, but, I expect in the next 6-12 months you will see that shift to #2. I don't have a problem personally with #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Kennedy, Jim
Your hyper-v host is fubar'd and you need to log into it. Your DC is hosted on that VM hostso you can't log in. You can certainly build it to avoid that problem, but that is why some people say keep one physical DC. For example you can have your hyper-v host not be in the domain. Or if you

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Cook
No third party tools necessary for backing up the servers with VMWare standard/Ent/Ent+ - VMWare Data Recovery is included John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MC

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Crawford, Scott
Data is code. Code is data. They're both strings of 1's and 0's. The only difference is what is interpreting that string. If data is data, how is it able to cause winword.exe to download a payload? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM To: NT Syst

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Steven Peck
We have some isolated environments where all servers are virtual (including DCs). In this case when we had some data center power issues or did some shut downs, we had to play whack a mole to find the DCs to power them up first. Since these environments were smaller involving 3 hosts each with on

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Matthew W. Ross
I would modify your statements in the following way: 1) Always have a way to boot a DC without the dependancies of other services. AKA, you can virtualize your DCs if your VM solution doesn't require a domain to boot/manage. Having a physical DC does solve this problem. 2) Virtualize everything

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Cook
Well if your entire VMWare infrastructure goes down it's possible to have issues with DNS unless the virtualized DNS server is set to auto restart AND be the first machine to come up. It's entirely possible to have everything virtualized but IMO having a single physical DNS server is just good r

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Chinnery, Paul
1. Both my dc's are physical. 2. A lot of that depends on the software being used. We have a fax server that the fax s/w vendor recommended be a physical server. When ICD-10 (medical coding) comes out, our coding vendor will not install on a virtual server. Paul Chinnery Network Admin Memor

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
#2 There are rules/best practises to follow such as not using snapshots when updating DCs that are virtual, but the biggest issue, which used to be clock skew, is a non-issue these days. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Crawford, Scott
> You don't need any physical boxes at all. Period. I'd at least want some hosts :) From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Speaking of domain controllers, I a

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
I did briefly look at that. Problem was the iSCSI bridge for the tape libraries seemed to cost more than simply buying a physical box to connect the tape library to. Kind of weird but seemed consistent across vendors. From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [jhea...@df

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Because it is *data*. Data doesn't make calls. Code does.That's been the gist of the argument from the very beginning. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Crawford, Scott wrote: > Why

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread David Mazzaccaro
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: An

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup app you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it backup every VM that's in your cluster? If you can that's great to know as I always wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when it's

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Heaton, Joseph@DFG
We're using an iSCSI tape library at our field offices, with the backup server VM connecting to it. Works great for us. Joe Heaton ITB - Windows Server Support -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37 PM To: Heaton, J

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Crawford, Scott
Why does the code that is spawned need to download some payload or use existing files? Why can't it make its own win32 calls? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Whitelisting Here's one typical scenario:

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Crawford, Scott
Data is harmless unless that "data" is actually formed in such a way to exploit a vulnerability in an application. If so, you've got a whitelisted application executing arbitrary code from a "data" file. From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@eckelberry.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:19 AM To:

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Alex Eckelberry wrote: > If it's an exploit, it's going to launch code.  The code > won't run in a whitelisting environment unless it's approved by the admin. CMD /C DEL C:\*.* /S /Q /F /A I expect you whitelist CMD.EXE, no? -- Ben ~ Finally, powerfu

Re: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Christopher Bodnar
OK, got past that hurdle. i was also able to successfully sign a script using SignTool. Just trying to figure out the process to verify the signature, getting this: SignTool Error: A certificate chain processed, but terminated in a root certificate which is not trusted by the trust provi

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
*>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? * No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" situation if you have to power everythi

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread James Rankin
Thanks for clarifying that On 16 April 2012 16:25, Andrew S. Baker wrote: > Here's one typical scenario: > >- WinWord.exe has a a buffer overflow vulnerability. >- WinWord.exe is a whitelisted app, so the vulnerability can be >exploited. >- Bad guy creates a hand-crafted data fil

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread James Rankin
No mention of XenServer? It's a lot better than it used to be. On 16 April 2012 16:15, Andrew S. Baker wrote: > I would say that VMWare is more feature rich and has a more extensive > ecosystem of support and add-ons. > > Hyper-V is a little easier, but that's not a complete apples-to-apples > c

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Here's one typical scenario: - WinWord.exe has a a buffer overflow vulnerability. - WinWord.exe is a whitelisted app, so the vulnerability can be exploited. - Bad guy creates a hand-crafted data file that takes advantage of the buffer overflow vulnerability - User opens bad data

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
I would say that VMWare is more feature rich and has a more extensive ecosystem of support and add-ons. Hyper-V is a little easier, but that's not a complete apples-to-apples comparison. Once you get into them, they're both complex enough, yet easy enough to manage. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/

RE: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Desmond
I haven't used these formats before, but, three general thoughts: * Will the certs MMC solve this for you? * What about certutil.exe? * The OpenSSL Windows command line utility is a great resource for converting all manner of certificate formats. Thanks, Brian Desmond

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Chinnery, Paul
I can't speak for anyone else, but I like it. I don't find it hard to work with. I'm running 5 esxi4.1 hosts with 60 VM's. All of the hospital HCIS servers (Meditech) are running virtualized. We did have some hiccups on the way to going LIVE with it. We had a situation where VM thought the

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Yes, but if the bad data is used to perform a buffer overflow so that custom *code* can be executed to do nefarious acts, then that last step will fail because the custom malicious code is not authorized to run -- even in a zero day. No, it doesn't solve every last malware issue known to man, and

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Hornbuckle
Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Alex Eckelberry
A BHO is a DLL, in other words, a PE file. As is an OCX. These would be/should be covered by a competent whitelisting solution. AFAIK, Javascript can't do much malicious in and of itself except crash your browser or do other weird stuff. Where it is malicious is when it can execute Windows

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
*>>I don’t understand how you can have an exploit in a data file resulting in anything else but code execution. * Exactly. We've had epic battles about this very point on more than one occasion, however, so... * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread James Rankin
Agreed, if you've got a malicious Word document that exploits a flaw in MS Word itself, then the only defence is good patching or some other form of exploit detection. If it's a zero-day, then there's probably nothing except exploit detection. Don't want to plug it too much but AppSense Applicatio

Re: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Christopher Bodnar
Yes, and are great, but I'm not importing directly from the web site like he was able to. I've got the SPC and PVK files and now need to somehow import them into the certificate store. That is where I'm stuck. I've just found this link which seems to be promising: http://ellisweb.net/2008/08/si

Re: ASB

2012-04-16 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Thanks, Webster... I notice you avoided mentioning your hostile commentary. :) LOL * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Webster wrote: > Saw this on twitter from our own world famous ASB:

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Alex Eckelberry
>a) exploits in existing applications (Acrobat Reader, Adobe Flash, >Java runtime, Internet Explorer) >b) social engineering attacks, where the user is convinced to >run/install some malware that they shouldn't. Despite code signing, >users are still doing this. >How will whitelisting help the abo

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Alex Eckelberry
>But, if we ever get to a world where whitelisting is the predominant >means of execution control, the bad guys will, out of necessity, be >relegated to exploiting flaws in applications through data files. I don't understand how you can have an exploit in a data file resulting in anything els

Re: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Mack Bolan
Have you looked at Webster's instructions yet? Mack S. Bolan On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Christopher Bodnar < christopher_bod...@glic.com> wrote: > OK, the Security team has now provided me the SPC file. > > What I'm looking for is how to install the certificate with these 2 files > (SPC,

Re: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Christopher Bodnar
OK, the Security team has now provided me the SPC file. What I'm looking for is how to install the certificate with these 2 files (SPC, and PVK). According to the information I've found online you should be able to do this: pvkimprt -import 1.spc myprivatekey.pvk Which will them launch a wiz

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Cook
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Re: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Lora Cates
I found this in the NTSys Archives:   http://carlwebster.com/how-to-digitally-sign-a-microsoft-powershell-script-with-a-third-party-code-signing-certificate/   -lc > > From: Christopher Bodnar >To: NT System Admin Issues >Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:21 AM >Su

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread Paul Hutchings
I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although P

Re: code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Mack Bolan
Didn't Webster and Brian cover this just last week? Mack S. Bolan On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Christopher Bodnar < christopher_bod...@glic.com> wrote: > All help is appreciated , have never done this before. > > We are going to start signing our scripts. I requested a code signing > certi

code signing certificate ?

2012-04-16 Thread Christopher Bodnar
All help is appreciated , have never done this before. We are going to start signing our scripts. I requested a code signing certificate from our Security group, we use Verisign. They handle all the Verisign certificates. They gave me back a *.PVK file. Shouldn't there also be a *SPC file as w

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

2012-04-16 Thread John Hornbuckle
Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us - Original Message

Re: ASB

2012-04-16 Thread Don Kuhlman
Congrats! From: Webster To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:15 AM Subject: ASB Saw this on twitter from our own world famous ASB:   is voluntarily transitioning to full time Information Security and IT Operations consulting in May 2

Re: ASB

2012-04-16 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Webster wrote: > All I can say is it is about time!  As smart, dare I say brilliant, as ASB > is, he should have zero problems finding work. Do you owe him money or something? ;-) Just kidding: I second both the forecast and the good wishes. -- Ben ~ Final

Re: ASB

2012-04-16 Thread Lora Cates
Congratulations and the best of luck!   -lc > > From: Webster >To: NT System Admin Issues >Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:15 AM >Subject: ASB > > > >Saw this on twitter from our own world famous ASB: >  >is voluntarily transitioning to full time Information Se

Re: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread James Rankin
An example of using whitelisting technologies in the enterprise http://appsensebigot.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/replacing-your-antivirus-software-with.html On 16 April 2012 12:46, Ziots, Edward wrote: > One of the things I see mentioned below is the malicious browser based > attacks ( BHO's, Malici

RE: Whitelisting

2012-04-16 Thread Ziots, Edward
One of the things I see mentioned below is the malicious browser based attacks ( BHO's, Malicious JavaScript, etc etc) and that is one area of weakness I see in the whitelisting solution. Other than that I agree it’s the right way to go. Being on the other side of "Blacklisting", HIPS etc etc, i