HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
I set up an 8 disk SATA RAID5 array in an HP DL380G5 with the included P400 SAS/SATA controller. The drives are 500G and I initially tried to create one big RAID5 array. I started out using the tools in the CMOS setup but you could only create one "logical" drive on your physical array that way.

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > ... mirror ... performance was fine ... > The RAID5 part was still horribly slow. Short version: Your RAID controller stinks. Buy a better one. Explanation: Mirroring requires no computation; the controller just writes the sam

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
at once). -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > ... mirror ... performance was fine ..

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > The P800 ... is "the highest performing controller > in the SAS portfolio" Does it have dedicated silicon for XOR? That's what matters. This might be called an "XOR engine" or "XOR co-processor" or "RAID-5 accelerator" or someth

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>> ... mirror ... performance was fine ... >> The RAID5 part was still horribly slow. > > Short version: Your RAID controller stinks. Buy a better one. Well, R5 performance is not ever going to be as good as R1 (at least in that scenario). Is the P400 really no good? I use some P800's here for

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: >>> ... mirror ... performance was fine ... >>> The RAID5 part was still horribly slow. >> >>  Short version: Your RAID controller stinks.  Buy a better one. > > Well, R5 performance is not ever going to be as good as R1 (at least in that >

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
drives instead of SAS to slow you down on purpose. Tom -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > It has a monster 600+ PIN BGA (ball grid array) LSI chip on it > (LSISAS1078).  I'm sure there are a few XOR's in there somewhere. You're looking for dedicated silicon that can do all the XOR calculations on a block of data very f

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > It has a monster 600+ PIN BGA (ball grid array) LSI chip on it > (LSISAS1078).  I'm sure there are

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > The LSISAS1078 is a custom chip designed for high performance RAID > controllers. > It is used on the HP P400 and P800 (their best raid card) as well as an Intel > RAID card and LSI logics own "Mega-Raid" brand of RAID card. My c

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) > wrote: >> The LSISAS1078 is a custom chip designed for high performance RAID >> controllers. >> It is used on the HP P400 and P800 (their best raid card) as well as an Intel >> RAID card

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
why... -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xet

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > If the chip did not have the guts to perform the RAID calculations fast > enough, > I doubt that both Intel and HP would have chosen this chip for their RAID > controllers. So, in other words, you have absolutely no basis for th

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: > If the chip did not have the guts to perform the RAID calculations fast enough, > I doubt that both Intel and HP would have

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Brian Hintz
not sure I could use them with the HP DL380 internal > drive slots because of the cabling used. > > Tom > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:52 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: HP

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ziots, Edward
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RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-24 Thread Glen Johnson
ruary 24, 2009 6:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions Well I am hoping that someone else on this list may have solved this problem already. No such luck yet. My guess is that adding memory/battery or changing to a P800 card will help, and I am testing that

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions Tom. I am very interested in the outcome of this as I have 5 servers on order and 4 of them will have this same controller. I forwarded the first email from this thread to our rep to

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
min Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions Also what are the sizes of the files you are reading/write from the drive. HP Has tools to measure the performance of the reading and writing from disk. Although I have heard the P400 controller rant before about the slowness. Is it any bet

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions What stripe and cluster sizes are being used? On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: Well I am hoping that someone else on this list may have solved this problem already. No such luck yet. My guess is

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
I would definitely get the battery/memory add-on option if I were you. Are you going to use SAS or SATA drives? What size? -Original Message- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Glen Johnson
that controller? -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions I would definitely get the battery/memory add-on option if I were you. Are you

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
Any bad news on that controller? -Original Message- From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions I would definitely get the battery/memory add-on option if I wer

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Ens
is now selling the long rumored 300GIG 2.5 inch > SAS drives. Do you have a part number? > > -Original Message- > From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:20 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions I think they actually have 450GB 2.5" SAS drives alreadyplus the 1TB SATAs... On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Alverson, Tom (Xetron) wrote: ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Glen Johnson
esday, February 25, 2009 12:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions I have never used the E200/128 controller. Based on my experience here, I would probably want to get any battery or memory options available. When you first set it up, run the ATTO bench32.exe pr

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Ens
> > *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:45 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions > > > > I think they actually have 450GB 2.5" SAS drives alreadyplus the 1TB > SATA

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Ens
2.5in > SAS? > > > > *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:45 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions > > > > I think they actually have 450GB 2.5" SAS drives alreadyplus th

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-25 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
The E200/128 controller will not do RAID5 unless you add the 128MB BBWC upgrade. -Original Message- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions Two of the servers will have

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-26 Thread Glen Johnson
Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions The E200/128 controller will not do RAID5 unless you add the 128MB BBWC upgrade. -Original Message- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-26 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
al Message- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions Tom. I am very interested in the outcome of this as I have 5 servers on order and 4 of them will have this same controller. I

Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-26 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
hn...@vhcc.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:51 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions > > Tom. > I am very interested in the outcome of this as I have 5 servers on order > and 4 of them will have this same controller. > I forwarded th

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-26 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron)
Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions Im coming in late on this thread, but it sounds like no caching without the battery. -- ME2 On Thu, Feb 26, 2009

RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions

2009-02-26 Thread Greg Olson
bject: RE: HP RAID5 P400 SATA questions There is a place in the GUI to turn on write caching, but I suspect that it is ignored if the battery is not present. Also, one more update: Just adding the battery to the 256M card, I got pretty good speeds, but they were erratic (like something else was