Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-05 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Thomas, > TB: >We still don't want to pollute individual patient EHRs > with multiple redundant copies of information about various carers etc. > In principle, I absolutely agree, but if in an existing PAS is to be interfaced/mirrored, we must accept that the faciliites e.g to record carers,

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-05 Thread Thomas Beale
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2009-04-05 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Gerard, I think this is theoretically and philosophically correct. However,for the moment, given the difficulties I have described above, on achieving a clear separation between Demographic and EHR entities in practice, that at present, this would only confuse things further. At present it is h

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-05 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Thomas, Good summary which I would agree with in principle, but this only properly applies where openEHR is being used to completely define the information requirements. In practice, openEHR is really being used in 3 slightly different contexts... 1. Where applications are being developed wit

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-05 Thread Gerard Freriks
Shouldn't we consider to extend the Demographics to Resources? Isn't a person one of many types of resources we need to document in and around the EHR? (e.g. devices, catalogs with lab tests or procedures, rooms, beds, ad- hoc lists, etc) Gerard -- -- Gerard Freriks, MD Huigsloterdijk 378

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-05 Thread Thomas Beale
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Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-02 Thread Rong Chen
And the Java ADL parser supports demographic archetypes too. In fact, the parsers don't care if the archetype is about EHR or Demographics. As long as the archetype has the correct ADL synatx, they are happy =) Cheers Rong 2009/4/1 Ian McNicoll : > Hi , > > The ADL parsers (both .NEt and Eiffel)

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-01 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi , The ADL parsers (both .NEt and Eiffel) do already parse Demographics model archetypes. I am working (slowly) on adding Demographics model support to the Ocean Archetype Editor. One things are a little more advance I will create a branch in the Archetype editor subversion repository. Ian D

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-01 Thread Oxford Partnership
Are there any defining rules as to what data should exist within the EHR vs Demographic models ?. regards OP Quoted : > > It should be noted that the Demographics Model restricts itself to > very 'pure' demographics i.e. person and other party identifiers and > contact details, as would be expect

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-04-01 Thread Oxford Partnership
Hi Ian Are you extending the existing ADL parser to deal with the Demographic classes - it would be very interested in seeing that. thanks OP On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Ian Mcnicoll < Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: > Hi William, > > The current version of the archetype edito

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-31 Thread Diego Boscá
gt; [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Bert Verhees > Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 6:27 PM > To: For openEHR technical discussions > Subject: Re: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? > > > > Sam, I often brought this subject up, maybe five times

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-24 Thread Sam Heard
the editor not opening ADL files? Sam, I often brought this subject up, maybe five times last year, the answer differed from, "We'll add demographic archetypes to the ArchetypeEditor within a year" to now carefully stating in a direction that demographic archetypes will loose t

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-22 Thread Bert Verhees
Bert Verhees schreef: > Ian McNicoll schreef: >> Hi Bert, >> >> Just for clarification, the work I have been doing in adding >> demographics archetype support to the Ocean Editor is a personal >> project, intended for the openEHR community and not an Ocean funded or >> > Thanks Ian, for your rep

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-22 Thread Bert Verhees
nd personal health >> information. >> >> >> >> In our environment, the EhrGate component manages the interface to the >> demographic service ? allowing demographics to be returned in queries and >> for accountability etc. This could be from an openEHR demo

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-22 Thread Ian McNicoll
t; > > > I hope this helps. It might not seem intuitive but it is very practicle and > a result of a lot of companies being involved in the architecture design > (all with different demographic services and requirements). > > > > Cheers, Sam > > > > From: open

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-20 Thread Sam Heard
:56 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: Re: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? Sam, this below - demographics not relevant in the EHR is like the most confusing comment ever I heard from you. About whom are we going to create a EHR then? If it is not possible to have the

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-20 Thread Sam Heard
that helps - Sam From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Greg Caulton Sent: 16 March 2009 22:59 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: RE: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? I am confused - hopefully you

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-20 Thread Bert Verhees
ical-bounces at openehr.org > [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] *On Behalf Of > *Williamtfgoossen at cs.com > *Sent:* 17 March 2009 00:56 > *To:* openehr-technical at openehr.org > *Subject:* Re: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? > > > > Sam, >

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Bert Verhees
Thomas Beale schreef: > Williamtfgoossen at cs.com wrote: > >> Sam, >> >> this below - demographics not relevant in the EHR is like the most >> confusing comment ever I heard from you. >> >> About whom are we going to create a EHR then? If it is not possible to >> have the individuals name, id

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Thomas Beale
Williamtfgoossen at cs.com wrote: > Sam, > > this below - demographics not relevant in the EHR is like the most > confusing comment ever I heard from you. > > About whom are we going to create a EHR then? If it is not possible to > have the individuals name, id, birthdate and sex in the EHR (gene

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Sam Heard
Bert Verhees Sent: 15 March 2009 19:56 To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? Williamtfgoossen at cs.com schreef: In a message dated 14-3-2009 17:23:18 W. Europe Standard Time, caultonpos at gmail.com writes: How many more types of

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Sam Heard
Subject: Re: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? I got these examples in 2007 from the OpenEHR list. This is the one I was working with Sincerely yours, dr. William TF Goossen director Results 4 Care b.v. De Stinse 15 3823 VM Amersfoort the Netherlands emails: Results4Care at cs.com

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Pablo Pazos Gutierrez
Hi, I agree, specially if we think of OpenEHR as a PATIENT CENTRIC specification of an EHR. Cheers, Pablo. - Original Message - From: Williamtfgoossen at cs.com To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Why is the editor not

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Thomas Beale
Greg Caulton wrote: > I am confused - hopefully you saying that those particular 'older' > demographic models are not supported? > > But there are newer ones right being added to the CKM that conform to > the ADL structure the other clinical ADLs use? Hi Greg, the new ones, based on ISO 0,

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Heath Frankel
, 15 March 2009 11:26 PM To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? Williamtfgoossen at cs.com schreef: In a message dated 14-3-2009 17:23:18 W. Europe Standard Time, caultonpos at gmail.com writes: How many more types of archetypes are we

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Greg Caulton
Hmm. I can see why some groups might want to limit the scope of their applications to EHR pure clinical, research type usage that ONLY had clinically relevant demographic data. But I don't think OpenEHR as a whole should have that scope limitation. Nor do I think it does, to date the archetypes

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Heath Frankel
o: openehr-clinical at openehr.org; openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: Why is the editor not opening ADL files? Dear all, I am browsing through the existing archetypes from Ocean, obviously created by the Ocean Archetype Editor given the file name. E.g. openehr-demographic-person.person

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Tim Cook
Caution; a bit of a rant ahead On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:34 +, Thomas Beale wrote: > it already can, regardless of demographics, because such clinically > relevant data as date of birth and sex are recorded in the EHR anyway - > you would not attempt to do a join across EHR and demograph

Why is the editor not opening ADL files? demographics is EHR core

2009-03-16 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
Hi all, it is sometimes good to deal with the basics again. ISO 18308 defines the EHR as a virtual collection of patient related data. It assumes the data are stored for an identifyable individual in more than one technical system (virtual). ISO 18308 also assumes that the data can be used a

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
Sam, this below - demographics not relevant in the EHR is like the most confusing comment ever I heard from you. About whom are we going to create a EHR then? If it is not possible to have the individuals name, id, birthdate and sex in the EHR (generally named patient demographics), it become

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Greg Caulton
mammogram > 2 years cannot be supported because demographics are not relevant? > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:46:46 +0930 > From: "Sam Heard" > Subject: RE: Why is the editor not opening ADL file

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Bert Verhees
Sam Heard schreef: > > Hi Bert and all > > > > The demographic model was proposed a long time ago and is meant to > support a demographic service -- like a PMI. These archetypes are not > in the EHR. The EHR and demographic service can share archetypes like > data_structures, clusters and elem

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-16 Thread Bert Verhees
Heath Frankel schreef: > > Bert, > > The Ocean Archetype Editor was the first Archetype Editor written some > 6+ years ago. It was implemented to support only EHR archetypes in a > way that these RM types where implemented explicitly within the Editor > providing the specific capability for cli

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-15 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
I got these examples in 2007 from the OpenEHR list. This is the one I was working with Sincerely yours, dr. William TF Goossen director Results 4 Care b.v. De Stinse 15 3823 VM Amersfoort the Netherlands emails: Results4Care at cs.com williamtfgoossen at cs.com info at results4care.nl phone

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-15 Thread Bert Verhees
Williamtfgoossen at cs.com schreef: > In a message dated 14-3-2009 17:23:18 W. Europe Standard Time, > caultonpos at gmail.com writes: > >> How many more types of archetypes are we envisioning to support? > > > I think the tools need to support ANY archetype that represents valid > content in hea

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-15 Thread Bert Verhees
Williamtfgoossen at cs.com schreef: > In a message dated 14-3-2009 17:23:18 W. Europe Standard Time, > caultonpos at gmail.com writes: > >> How many more types of archetypes are we envisioning to support? > > > I think the tools need to support ANY archetype that represents valid > content in hea

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-15 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
In a message dated 14-3-2009 17:23:18 W. Europe Standard Time, caultonpos at gmail.com writes: > How many more types of archetypes are we envisioning to support? > I think the tools need to support ANY archetype that represents valid content in health care. Sincerely yours, dr. William

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-14 Thread Greg Caulton
How many more types of archetypes are we envisioning to support? Hopefully the Java ADL parser does not need to change - a new XML schema does not require a new XM Lparser. Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:03:10 + > From: Ian Mcnicoll > Subject: Re: Why is the editor not op

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-14 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
Thanks! Sincerely yours, dr. William TF Goossen director Results 4 Care b.v. De Stinse 15 3823 VM Amersfoort the Netherlands emails: Results4Care at cs.com williamtfgoossen at cs.com info at results4care.nl phone + 31654614458 fax +3133 2570169 www.results4care.nl Dutch Chamber of Commerce

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-13 Thread Yampeku
As far as I know, Ocean archetype editor does not support openEHR demographic archetypes 2009/3/13 : > Dear all, > > I am browsing through the existing archetypes from Ocean, obviously created > by the Ocean Archetype Editor given the file name. > > E.g. > > openehr-demographic-person.person.draf

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-13 Thread Ian Mcnicoll
Hi William, The current version of the archetype editor does not support Demographics archetypes. These archetypes were created manually in raw Adl. I am working on an update to the Editor to support Demographics archetypes but this is still some weeks away from completion. Ian Dr Ian McNi

Why is the editor not opening ADL files?

2009-03-13 Thread williamtfgoos...@cs.com
Dear all, I am browsing through the existing archetypes from Ocean, obviously created by the Ocean Archetype Editor given the file name. E.g. openehr-demographic-person.person.draft.adl When I try to open it with the AE, I do get continuously error messages similar to: Is there anything