Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Casper . Dik
But why is SUNW so uninterested??? Where is your vision of ^^We strongly believe in One Solaris^^ now? There is a lot of history there and it is hard to change. I'm sure they don't want to ship on Xorg on SPARC which only supports older framebuffers poorly so a lot more work is involved. Are

[osol-discuss] link aggregation failed on T2000 boxes (T1 8cores CPU), Sol 10

2006-07-28 Thread Oxy Hazard
Hi,all: I tried to install solaris 10 on a T2000 boxes (T1 8 cores,32 multi-threading CPU) in recent days, after installation, I tried dladm to test the 802.3 link aggregation,but failed, error msg is : bash-3.00# dladm create-aggr -d ipge0 -d ipge1 1 dladm: create operation failed: No such file

[osol-discuss] Re: [networking-discuss] link aggregation failed on T2000 boxes (T1 8cores CPU), Sol 10

2006-07-28 Thread Cathy Zhou
Oxy Hazard wrote: Hi,all: I tried to install solaris 10 on a T2000 boxes (T1 8 cores,32 multi-threading CPU) in recent days, after installation, I tried dladm to test the 802.3 link aggregation,but failed, error msg is : bash-3.00# dladm create-aggr -d ipge0 -d ipge1 1 dladm: create operation

Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Original-Message Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:45:31 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC But why is SUNW so uninterested??? Where is your

Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Casper . Dik
(ks93 discuss removed) But why is SUNW so uninterested??? Where is your vision of ^^We strongly believe in One Solaris^^ now? There is a lot of history there and it is hard to change. Migrating from Xsun to Xorg did work on x86. What lot of history do you mean exactly? (okay, /dev/fb is

Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread James Carlson
Martin Bochnig writes: Are you afraid of publically being expected to opensource all your (mostly eol'ed) gfx drivers? If by afraid you mean know that we'll be doing something illegal, then perhaps that's a partly reasonable interpretation. I think you're at least underestimating the amount

Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
It's not just blind fear, though, nor is it malice. Looking at the staggering amount of code we've been able to release so far, I'm a bit baffled how anyone could even begin to think that we're holding back out of spite. -- James Carlson, KISS Network[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread James Carlson
Martin Bochnig writes: I would just love being explicitly allowed to integrate and redistribute a few closed things Since you have a fairly specific hit-list of items you need, how about filing bugs against each requesting an open version? That might be a more productive approach than

Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Original-Message Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:54:17 -0700 From: Jan Setje-Eilers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC p.s.: Is SUNW interested in GRUB2

Re: Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Since you have a fairly specific hit-list of items you need, how about filing bugs against each requesting an open version? That might be a more productive approach than complaining here. -- James Carlson Strange, but okay. Be sure that I will do that asap (not now). -- Martin

Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Casper . Dik
Except NICs you mean? Including NICs. Doesn't Grub (at least Grub1) use the etherboot/rom-o-matic NIC drivers? Not for Solaris as Sun ships it. The grub that comes with Solaris is loaded in memory using PXE (over the wire) and then the Grub PXE driver continues to use PXE to bootstrap the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [networking-discuss] link aggregation failed on T2000 boxes (T1 8cores CPU), Sol 10

2006-07-28 Thread Nicholas Senedzuk
You are going to need to use the old trunking software to do this since you have legacy devices.On 7/28/06, Cathy Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oxy Hazard wrote: Hi,all: I tried to install solaris 10 on a T2000 boxes (T1 8 cores,32 multi-threading CPU) in recent days, after installation, I tried

[osol-discuss] Re: bug database improvement

2006-07-28 Thread Bob Palowoda
preHey All, Below are some mock-ups that we are currently working on for bugs.opensolaris.org. Yes, there is work being done, but we do not have a schedule right now. This is mini preview of features to come. Please take a look and feel free to comment. Once we have a

Grub on sparc _/_ Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Ah, that is what I asked you a few lines above. Yeah. Or loaded via Grub1 floppy, where no PXE is present. And then interfacing with the NIC directly. Damn, I had been hoping from outside (never worked through the grub sources) this would be handled similarily with a certain set of USB

[osol-discuss] Re: problem with Installing web browser opera 9

2006-07-28 Thread James
Hi all, I have the same problem with installing web browser opera 9 on Solaris 10: bash-3.00# pwd /usr/local/bin bash-3.00# ./opera opera: $HOME set to /root. Use -personaldir if you do not want to use /root/.opera/ Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified opera:

Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Stephen Lau
Martin Bochnig wrote: Having a redistributable DLJ-distros-jdk available, which necessarily depends on (apparently) non-redistributable SUNWspro-shared C++ libs, is another such problem. It's really annoying that I have to force LiveDVD-users to download them on the fly first

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: problem with Installing web browser opera 9

2006-07-28 Thread Alan Coopersmith
James wrote: Hi all, I have the same problem with installing web browser opera 9 on Solaris 10: bash-3.00# pwd /usr/local/bin bash-3.00# ./opera opera: $HOME set to /root. Use -personaldir if you do not want to use /root/.opera/ 1) Why are you running as root instead of a normal user? 2)

Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Martin Bochnig wrote: Is it also a matter of resources that you don't allow (even non-commercial) distributors to redistribute a closed binary for /dev/fb for the older framebuffers developed by SUNW themselves (probably no 3rd party NDA's affected)? And what is with the

Re: Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Martin Bochnig wrote: Having a redistributable DLJ-distros-jdk available, which necessarily depends on (apparently) non-redistributable SUNWspro-shared C++ libs, is another such problem. It's really annoying that I have to force LiveDVD-users to download them on the fly first

Re: [osol-discuss] Project proposal: integrate GCCfss into SFW

2006-07-28 Thread Rainer Orth
Alexey, The exact version of GCC to be bundled is an exhausting topic. We can decide on the final GCCfss/gcc version latter. indeed :-) That's why the proposal is named support GCCfss and gcc 4 in ON I believe that the set of changes we have for ON will be equally useful for any gcc 4.x

Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Dunno about the frame buffers, but perhaps libC contains 3rd party IP, and Sun's license to use it prohibits redistribution by other parties? I believe that's one of the reasons why you and I are not allowed to redistribute the Solaris ISOs we can download for free from Sun's web site: Sun

Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Martin Bochnig wrote: okay. If (and only if) 3rd parties are involved into the libC* thing, I _would_ understand it. Would a statement by a Sun employee (provided, of course, thet such a license doesn't prohibit Sun from doing so) clarifying the situation help? What I

Re: [osol-discuss] Teamware release?

2006-07-28 Thread Derek Cicero
Ian Collins wrote: I tried this on tools-discuss but didn't get an answer, so I'll try again here: Are we going to see Teamware released to open source? I was told it was almost ready a year or so back. Ian, I actually I saw this both times but I don't know the answer, so I was hoping

[osol-discuss] [Please read this!] What is the purpose of the ksh93-integration list ?

2006-07-28 Thread Roland Mainz
Hi! Just a small note on the recent postings around Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC send to ksh93-integration-discuss@: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] list was originally created to aid the developers to integrate ksh93 into OS/Net and then discuss the technical details of the

Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread David Korn
cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC I don't want to get involved in political arguments so I will state my view one once. It looks as if Casper Dik and Martin Schaffstall

[osol-discuss] ksh93 integration status

2006-07-28 Thread April Chin
Just a very brief status for those who are interested... The ksh93 project team is currently working out the final details on the PSARC case for the ksh93 integration project. The expectation is that it will be submitted for an open PSARC review by the week of Aug 7th. April

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Packet Event Framework (PEF)

2006-07-28 Thread Bart Smaalders
Yu Xiangning wrote: Hello OpenSolaris folks, I would like to open an OpenSolaris project - Packet Event Framework (PEF), on behalf of the PEF project team. The Packet Event Framework project is a follow-on to FireEngine, which will provide a framework for fine-grain modularity of the network

Re: Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Would a statement by a Sun employee (provided, of course, thet such a license doesn't prohibit Sun from doing so) clarifying the situation help? Yes. What I still would not understand - however - is, why the Distros-JDK (on which SUNW has made so much noise about, back in May'06) has

Re: [osol-discuss] [Please read this!] What is the purpose of the ksh93-integration list ?

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Hi Roland, sorry, I have deleted the ksh subject line and the ksh-list as receipient a few times. Others integrated it back. So I then thought people want it that way and didn't delete it any longer. Further, I agree it didn't have to do anything with ksh88 vs. ksh93 anymore. Though I do not

Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Casper . Dik
okay. If (and only if) 3rd parties are involved into the libC* thing, I _would_ understand it. What I still would not understand - however - is, why the Distros-JDK (on which SUNW has made so m uch noise about, back in May'06) has not been built with the open gcc. A gcc-built JDK would not

(un)redistributable SUNWspro libs _/_ WAS: Re: Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal :

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
okay. If (and only if) 3rd parties are involved into the libC* thing, I _would_ understand it. What I still would not understand - however - is, why the Distros-JDK (on which SUNW has made so m uch noise about, back in May'06) has not been built with the open gcc. A gcc-built JDK would

[osol-discuss] Re: AMD buys ATI....

2006-07-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Yes it's true.However I hope to see taken some other good opportunities I am omitting the obvious. In light of the fact that: (1) Sun is now AMD's most valuable customer, (2) CDDL, which, unlike GPL, allows proprietary drivers to be included in the kernel, (3) (to a much less extent) the

Really ksh88 vs. ksh93 _/_ Re: Re: Re: [ksh93-integration-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Hello David Korn, I'm Martin Bochnig, not the other Martin S. However, your suggestions below get a strong +1 from me. Martin Bochnig Original-Message Datum: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: David Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re[2]: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Stefan, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 9:42:45 PM, you wrote: ST [ offlist ] ST On 7/27/06, Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmmm. Perhaps I was overly assertive, although I stick to the principle. 'Course, the ensuing discussion about ksh88 not being able to be open sourced doesn't help

Re[2]: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC

2006-07-28 Thread Rich Teer
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Robert Milkowski wrote: In that area Solaris saves a lot of time comparing to Linux. And therefore, presumably, saves money too. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich

Re: [osol-discuss] [Please read this!] What is the purpose of the ksh93-integration list ?

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
Roland Mainz, I'm to blame for that, because my very first message had been a reply to a thread _also_ posted to your ksh93 list (together with opensol-discuss). My very first msg. contained your ml's address in its header's CC field therefore. It then obviously spreaded by ReplyAll's -

[osol-discuss] Solaris vs. its clones

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Robert Milkowski wrote: In that area Solaris saves a lot of time comparing to Linux. And therefore, presumably, saves money too. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Definitely. Unfortunately will most UNIX-clone

[osol-discuss] Open BootProm ?

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Bochnig
What about having the OpenBoot source code for an EOL'ed sun4u USB based box (the sb2k would be nice). The best one apparently can get until this day is PROLL (http://people.redhat.com/zaitcev/linux/). PROLL is a limited sun4m OpenBoot. The drawback of PROLL is that only a subset of old sun4m