Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Hugh McIntyre
Geoff Clare wrote: Hugh McIntyre wrote, on 18 May 2007: Geoff Clare wrote: (One important issue with the df -k output for scripting is that it adds line breaks in the output for long directory names; that makes parsing a bit harder) So use df -Pk, which outputs one line per file system. Are

Re: [osol-discuss] live upgrade s10 to s11

2007-05-19 Thread Shawn Walker
On 18/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can anyone point me to docs or give me advice on live upgrading from s10 to s11? I upgraded the lu packages, the zone packages and a couple zfs packages and still get errors. It should work if you live upgrade from Solaris 10 Update

Re: [osol-discuss] conditional increment on SPARCv8+ using sun CC 5.7 - for shared_ptr

2007-05-19 Thread Casper . Dik
Ian Appru wrote: While atomic increment/decrements (using cas) are suffiently well documented for me to be pretty confident in my implementation I would apreciate any input for an atomic conditional increment. I'd expect the following to work on OpenSolaris: #include atomic.h int

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Casper . Dik
Doug Scott schrieb: The patch for df.c below checks to see if stdout is a tty (i.e. interactive), and will add the -h option if no other options conflict. If stdout is not a tty (i.e. a script), the df command is unchanged. Is there anything wrong with this idea?? Why does everyone like

Re: [osol-discuss] conditional increment on SPARCv8+ using sun CC 5.7 - for shared_ptr

2007-05-19 Thread Chris Elving
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Appru wrote: While atomic increment/decrements (using cas) are suffiently well documented for me to be pretty confident in my implementation I would apreciate any input for an atomic conditional increment. I'd expect the following to work on OpenSolaris:

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: OpenSolaris Programming Contest in China Academic Developers

2007-05-19 Thread Glynn Foster
I agree - anything the Chinese community want to do to encourage the development on OpenSolaris seems like a great thing. Best of luck with it. Glynn Jim Grisanzio wrote: +1 joey wrote: Hi Folks, Attached please find the Project proposal for the OpenSolaris programming contest in

Re: And that would break... what, exactly? (Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like)

2007-05-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Murdock wrote: And that would break... what, exactly? We don't know. We know it has the potential of breaking scripts that, for better or worse, parse the output of /bin/df. It can (and has been) argued that those scripts are already not

Re: initial draft 1-pager for Indiana (was Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like)

2007-05-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Project Description Indiana is intended to be a product - an OpenSolaris distribution with a regular release schedule. Project Team: Needed... I am sorry, but the more I read about Indiana, the more I am uncomfortable

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a HP-UX-11.x system? Yes, I do. Well, there is AIX but I am not sure whether IBM takes it for real and I know of no hacker who is using AIX as development platform. I wanted to get AIX, but when I looked even at an outdated 32-bit

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: OpenSolaris Programming Contest

2007-05-19 Thread Jim Grisanzio
It's too bad that you have issolated China out in such a programming context. He's not. He's bringing thousands of new people /to/ the OpenSolaris Community, which is very cool. In fact what I like about this model is that it's locally created and managed, not centrally mandated from

[osol-discuss] Re: And that would break... what, exactly? (Re: Sun to make Solaris more

2007-05-19 Thread De Togni Giacomo
I've probably a bad idea,but for me to make Solaris more linux like is to have an opensolaris distro with all sources (sources for every package) and a desktop like Ubuntu or RH.Is this an open community? Is this open source? Giacomo ___ OpenSolaris - The

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Daniel Rock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: It probably shouldn't be the default, but I can't really tell what this means: 131996712968156 9652530272 1% quick, how much space is that? Enough free. With the -h option the width of the filesystem size is roughly the same - regardless if the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: And that would break... what, exactly? (Re: Sun to make Solaris more

2007-05-19 Thread Casper . Dik
I've probably a bad idea,but for me to make Solaris more linux like is to have an opensolaris distro with all sources (sources for every package) and a desktop like Ubuntu or RH.Is this an open community? Is this open source? I find that a strange way to look at more Linux like. I would be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Casper . Dik
FreeBSD's utilities in contrast check for the largest required width and adjusts output accordingly: -rwsr-s--x 1 oracle dba 133894000 Mai 29 2006 oracle* -rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba1339524 Mai 19 2006 oratclsh* -rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba 48 Sep 25 2000 oraxml*

[osol-discuss] Re: And that would break... what,

2007-05-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I've probably a bad idea,but for me to make Solaris more linux like is to have an opensolaris distro with all sources (sources for every package) and a desktop like Ubuntu or RH.Is this an open community? Is this open source? I suppose that's a matter of taste; some would love it, others

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
There is a lot of cruft, like HOTLINE, ULIMIT, ORDER, etc. Why there is even a MAXINST parameter is a puzzle to me. One can have multiple instances of a single named package installed; that happens for example if one is loads Studio 10 and Studio 11 at the same time. For that to be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Daniel Rock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: FreeBSD's utilities in contrast check for the largest required width and adjusts output accordingly: -rwsr-s--x 1 oracle dba 133894000 Mai 29 2006 oracle* -rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba1339524 Mai 19 2006 oratclsh* -rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba

[osol-discuss] Re: And that would break... what,

2007-05-19 Thread De Togni Giacomo
Yes it is a matter of taste.Sincerely I have not a preference to use programs binary only or with all sources,but,which is the most common accepted idea of opensource? In my opinion is something like program + sources.So the message for all could be clear: Sun with opensolaris community offer

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If df had a similar output, I'd prefer this: 83886083041200 534740837% 335544321605719 31794110 5% 62914560 37766679 1412994873% 62914560 11017932 1412994844%

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
Compared to other marketing activities from Sun, this would be cheap and the current idea of project Indiana looks to me like a Sun OpenSolaris distribution that (if done the way it currently seems) will most likely embrace and crush the sensitive plants that are the real free grown

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to other marketing activities from Sun, this would be cheap and the current idea of project Indiana looks to me like a Sun OpenSolaris distribution that (if done the way it currently seems) will most likely embrace

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Casper . Dik
Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to other marketing activities from Sun, this would be cheap and the current idea of project Indiana looks to me like a Sun OpenSolaris distribution that (if done the way it currently seems) will most likely embrace

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I don't see that it would help to have a second Sun Solaris distribution. If Sun likes to put money into OpenSolaris, this should be done in a way that enables collaboration and in a way that allows to contribute code by non-Sun people. It doesn't matter if it helps or not, or does it?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Project Proposal: OpenSolaris Programming

2007-05-19 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- Chao-Feng Guo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just think it in another way: actually most habitants in Hong Kong can listen to and understand the Chinese Mandarin. But in reverse it doesn't work. ROTFL. You do not know Hong Kong at all. The newer generation may be (with the present critically

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Project Proposal: OpenSolaris Programming

2007-05-19 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- Ghee Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chao-Feng Guo wrote: Just think it in another way: actually most habitants in Hong Kong can listen to and understand the Chinese Mandarin. But in reverse it doesn't work. Is this assumption true though when comes to technical terms and

[osol-discuss] Re: Forward

2007-05-19 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
--- Andre van Eyssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, Christopher Mahan wrote: I'm going to throw this out there to see what sticks: 8) Allow unrestricted code commit by community members. Nightly builds should check for broken stuff. Have nn-sun code

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: And that would break... what, exactly? (Re: Sun to make Solaris more

2007-05-19 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've probably a bad idea,but for me to make Solaris more linux like is to have an opensolaris distro with all sources (sources for every package) and a desktop like Ubuntu or RH.Is this an open community? Is this open source? I find that a strange way to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to other marketing activities from Sun, this would be cheap and the current idea of project Indiana looks to me like a Sun OpenSolaris distribution that (if done

[osol-discuss] Re: Open Solaris Distributions

2007-05-19 Thread James Mansion
But I'd like to ask: *why* do you - all - maintain different distributions? It is obvious why I created a distribution: It was done in order to create a distribution as none did exist before. Why did other people create _different_ distributions? Jörg Well, you answered a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: And that would break... what, exactly? (Re: Sun to make Solaris more

2007-05-19 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
Maybe not the kernel sources if we are not developers. I would say the chances of interest in other packages that come along with the distribution are much higher than 0.1%. i really really doubt that, the sources are quite useless actually, what you really use are the derived binaries, check

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Hugh McIntyre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD's utilities in contrast check for the largest required width and adjusts output accordingly: -rwsr-s--x 1 oracle dba 133894000 Mai 29 2006 oracle* -rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba1339524 Mai 19 2006 oratclsh* -rwxr-xr-x 1 oracle dba

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Daniel Rock
Hugh McIntyre schrieb: You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with cut in the case above if a future project allows usernames 8 characters? But granted that some people will have scripts that use cut, so it's hard to change. Compatible formatting if stdout is not a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris-discuss Digest, Vol 33, Issue 140

2007-05-19 Thread Shawn Walker
On 18/05/07, Rich Friedeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Stallion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoa... slow down Tiger. SVR4 is by far a more complete and cohesive packaging format than is available on any other UNIX or Linux distribution. Essentially there is no technical merit in tossing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Shawn Walker
On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugh McIntyre schrieb: You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with cut in the case above if a future project allows usernames 8 characters? But granted that some people will have scripts that use cut, so it's hard

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Doug Scott
Shawn Walker wrote: On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugh McIntyre schrieb: You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with cut in the case above if a future project allows usernames 8 characters? But granted that some people will have scripts that use

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread UNIX admin
Initially Linux was not suitable for Enterprise deployments, but as time goes on Linux is acceptable, for more and more tasks. (Many times being the best choice). One picks Linux as the best choice only if one doesn't know what one is doing. It is as simple as that. A real system engineer

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Shawn Walker
On 19/05/07, Doug Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugh McIntyre schrieb: You can use (n)awk in the case above. For example, what happens with cut in the case above if a future project allows usernames 8 characters?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Daniel Rock
Shawn Walker schrieb: On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compatible formatting if stdout is not a terminal. Optimized formatting if stdout is a terminal. Which would be really annoying to me as a user. I would go to look at the output, think I'll just pipe that to such and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Shawn Walker
On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker schrieb: On 19/05/07, Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compatible formatting if stdout is not a terminal. Optimized formatting if stdout is a terminal. Which would be really annoying to me as a user. I would go to look at

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Daniel Rock
Shawn Walker schrieb: As I said before, the point is that it is unexpected behaviour. Do you count the number of columns in an interactive context? Unless the man page for the utility explicitly lists the behaviour in question, it is undesireable in my view. Even then, I have misgivings

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Dick Davies
On 19/05/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One picks Linux as the best choice only if one doesn't know what one is doing. It is as simple as that. snip a load of bile This kind of thing is coming across more and more as irrational hatred. Take it elsewhere, it's not helpful. --

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Brian Gupta
On 5/19/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Initially Linux was not suitable for Enterprise deployments, but as time goes on Linux is acceptable, for more and more tasks. (Many times being the best choice). One picks Linux as the best choice only if one doesn't know what one is doing.

RE: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-19 Thread Rich Friedeman
-Original Message- From: Shawn Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Creating Signed Packages: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0406/6mg76stf9?q=signa=view Thanks for that... I hadn't managed to track it down. - meta-packages: There are a number of ways to provide, for