Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:42 -0700, Korey Peters wrote: > >All > > I want is all the coding geeks running Solaris on > > their laptops/desktops. (Especially University > > coding geeks... That is where people generally > > develop their OS > > preferences). Remember people deploy what they are > > f

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote: > > > > I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck rather than it > > being a fixed number > > on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look > > at Mac, their > > marketshare is below 10% and yet has a bigger > > selection of software than >

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread UNIX admin
> But, of course, that won't happen. If it is perfect, > everyone will use it. Even if it's just "pretty > good", people will use it. It is the availability of software that makes or breaks a platform. Not hardware, not OS technical superiority, not OS security, not ease of use. Only software

Re: [osol-discuss] GPGPU code...

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 23:36 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > > > Is anyone running any GPGPU code on Solaris? I ask > > because with AMD Fusion coming down the road, it > > seems that most AMD64 machines will have access to > > GPU based computation functions.With Solaris > > and Sun moving to a highl

Re: [osol-discuss] GPGPU code...

2007-07-30 Thread UNIX admin
> > Is anyone running any GPGPU code on Solaris? I ask > because with AMD Fusion coming down the road, it > seems that most AMD64 machines will have access to > GPU based computation functions.With Solaris > and Sun moving to a highly threaded programming model > (Fortress), might these functions

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Korey Peters
> Best is hard to define, is it the crappy OS that > every software vendor > targets their application at, or the perfect OS that > they ignore? > > Success on the desktop is more down to marketing and > spin than technical > merit. > > It's unfortunate to see the same trend emerging in > the ser

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Korey Peters
> I agree that the lack of pretty user interface will > stop Solaris becoming part of the consumer-user > space. This again is > quite correct and apt. OpenSolaris is available to be > "interesting" to developers; including GUI > developers. Prettied-up > OpenSolaris distros will become available

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Korey Peters
>All > I want is all the coding geeks running Solaris on > their laptops/desktops. (Especially University > coding geeks... That is where people generally > develop their OS > preferences). Remember people deploy what they are > familiar with. Also, they tend to deploy to the OS > they develop with

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Korey Peters
> > I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck rather than it > being a fixed number > on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look > at Mac, their > marketshare is below 10% and yet has a bigger > selection of software than > Solaris. > > One could argue that not only does Solaris need more >

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Korey Peters
> I enjoy Solaris, Always have. Do I want it to become > another Windows? NO. > Leave the point and clickers behind. We in the Open > source community need to be able to > give all people the choice and flexibility to be > independent. To have the freedom to develop > the next evolutionary step

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:29 -0700, John Martinez wrote: > On Jul 30, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:46 -0700, John Martinez wrote: > >> > >> I think a lot of people keep missing the point that Solaris' bread > >> and butter is the enterprise server market.

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 23:43 -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > One could argue that not only does Solaris need more users, > but its > quality rather than quantity. If the vast majority of the 40% > are penny > pinching, proprietary software hating, thick-rim-glass

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
> > One could argue that not only does Solaris need more users, but its > quality rather than quantity. If the vast majority of the 40% are penny > pinching, proprietary software hating, thick-rim-glasses wearing, hunch > back coding geeks - it certainly won't attract vendors such as Adobe or > MYO

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread John Martinez
On Jul 30, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:46 -0700, John Martinez wrote: >> >> I think a lot of people keep missing the point that Solaris' bread >> and butter is the enterprise server market. I don't know what the >> ratio of server to desktop installations i

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Ché Kristo
Note that "No developer is required to provide these exceptions in a derived work". So as copyright holder Apple is reserving compliance with GPL when applied to their own operating system's but this exception does not have to be extended when a develepor distributes his/her derived work. So ba

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:46 -0700, John Martinez wrote: > On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:49 PM, andrewk9 wrote: > > > I agree entirely with this post. My thoughts: > > > > 1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun to be > addressing > > all of the shortcomings in OpenSolaris. The community need

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
> - Finish the port from Xsun to Xorg Xserver, including on Sparc. > - Virtual Terminals support which is in the works > - Complete the SunAudio to OSS migration. > - Make further progress with Project Indiana (e.g. provide the sorts >of tools that Linux users expect like autoconf, automake, li

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:49 -0700, andrewk9 wrote: > I agree entirely with this post. My thoughts: > > 1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun to be addressing > all of the shortcomings in OpenSolaris. The community needs to be > involved in a meaningful way in improving it. A first ste

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:40 -0700, Edward McAuley wrote: > Thank you Alan. > > I am somewhat confused regarding their approach. They are saying the > are going to deliver these drivers, on one hand, but on the other hand > they are claiming they cannot because they don't own all of the IP > (that

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:11 -0700, Edward McAuley wrote: > Uh, let's see. Beautiful interface (as attractive as the Mac or Vista), > intuitively laid out, ease of use, UNIX (like), open source...it's already > here. You can download it or buy it. > > Suse 10.2 > > Please look at this latest v

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 11:52 -0700, Mike DeMarco wrote: > > To Ian Murdoch and the Open Solaris Community, > > > > As a long-time follower of the open source community, > > I stumbled across this forum a week ago and was > > intrigued by the activity taking place on Open > > Solaris. I spent some

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 11:29 -0700, Artem Kachitchkine wrote: > > Solaris is uniquely situated to make this dream a reality. > > With the support of Sun Microsystems, resources > > Solaris is not very well positioned in the UI competition. Sun, it > appears, has consciously chosen not to actively

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread S h i v
On 7/31/07, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Walker wrote: > > There is no reason why a good OS can't be used everywhere. I > > use Solaris on my desktop everyday. I think 40% is too small. We > > should shoot for 100% of the desktop market. > > > Now there's some thinking I can get b

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 09:32 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Edward McAuley wrote: > > Is anyone aware of a source who has drivers for the ATI X1900 that > will work on Solaris 10? > > The only possible source I know of is the currently > very-much-experimental > and under heavy development xf86-v

Re: [osol-discuss] GPGPU code...

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:22 -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > Is anyone running any GPGPU code on Solaris? I ask because with AMD > Fusion coming down the road, it seems that most AMD64 machines will > have access to GPU based computation functions. > > With Solaris and Sun moving to a highly threaded p

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 00:29 -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > They have forked a closed source version for Mac OS X > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is CUPS + Gutenprint + Foomatic

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Jim Walker wrote: >> On 30/07/07, Korey Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> It is true that users alone will not make Open >>> Solaris into a great product, but they are the final >>> judge of its success. The Open Solaris community >>> must remember who will use their software when the >>> d

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Ian Collins
Dick Davies wrote: > On 30/07/07, Korey Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> It is true that users alone will not make Open Solaris into a great product, >> but they are the final judge of its success. The Open Solaris community >> must remember who will use their software when the develo

Re: [osol-discuss] DTrace Graphical User Interface (GUI)

2007-07-30 Thread David Lloyd
Nasser, > For instance, the code completion feature helps users with writing D scripts. > The code completion feature is not included in first release of the > DTrace GUI. Believe me, such features are very useful for seasoned programmers as well. Not that I'm a D scripter by any means, but

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Jim Walker
> On 30/07/07, Korey Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It is true that users alone will not make Open >> Solaris into a great product, but they are the final >> judge of its success. The Open Solaris community >> must remember who will use their software when the >> development is done: the

Re: [osol-discuss] DTrace Graphical User Interface (GUI)

2007-07-30 Thread Nasser Nouri
The DTrace GUI puts more emphasis on ease of use. Users with different levels of expertise in DTrace, can use the GUI to debug their systems, processes, and applications. Basically, it shortens learning curve and enables users to utilize DTrace before they become an expert in writing D scripts

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread MC
> At what? Little old me probably can't help you if you are oblivious to why Windows is the most successful personal computer software system of all time. You might want to start looking at developer community and support, user community and support, usability, system compatibility, and hardwa

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread MC
rlhamil said: > While I don't much like the notion of point-and-click (if it's not hard, then you're not _learning_ anything, so why bother using up oxygen?) mdemarco said: > Leave the point and clickers behind. > Command line is where we live! It is not dead and never will be. This is > where th

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Edward McAuley
The argument I hear -and have sometimes made is: "Microsoft got into the back office -with a very lame server operating system, because it was "ubiquitous" and perceived as "easy" to use, versus Novell, Banyan, UNIX, MVS, VMS, etc., at the time." Microsoft became ubiquitous because IBM was ubiq

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Dick Davies
On 31/07/07, MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most people use Windows because it came with their PC, not for any > technical reason. > > It comes with their PCs because it is technically the best desktop OS. Dell > doesn't sell Windows PCs instead of OS/2 Warp PCs because of a coin flip. > Win

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> I think a lot of people keep missing the point that > Solaris' bread > and butter is the enterprise server market. I don't > know what the > ratio of server to desktop installations is, but I'd > guess that it's > very tilted in one direction. Solaris shines on the > server. Solaris > can

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread MC
> Most people use Windows because it came with their PC, not for any technical reason. It comes with their PCs because it is technically the best desktop OS. Dell doesn't sell Windows PCs instead of OS/2 Warp PCs because of a coin flip. Windows is simply the best. (Better than all the rest!)

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Dick Davies
On 30/07/07, Korey Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is true that users alone will not make Open Solaris into a great product, > but they are the final judge of its success. The Open Solaris community must > remember who will use their software when the development is done: the user. Is S

[osol-discuss] Humurous: Solaris Performance and Tools (Don't Like Moisture or Kitchens)

2007-07-30 Thread David Lloyd
Well, Last night (31 July, 2007 Australian CST), I decided to go get my Solaris Performance and Tools (Sun Microsystem Press / McDougall, Mauro and Gregg) which happened to be on the bottom pile of a set of books on my kitchen table. Opening the book, the pages seemed decidedly and uniformly

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
> This is hugely unfair. Sun created the accessibility infrastructure that > is used in GNOME based (and compatible with) the accessibility infrastructure > used by Java. Sun has contributed a great deal back to the GNOME community > and delivers well received value add products on top of GNOME

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread John Martinez
On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:49 PM, andrewk9 wrote: > I agree entirely with this post. My thoughts: > > 1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun to be addressing > all of the shortcomings in OpenSolaris. The community needs to be > involved in a meaningful way in improving it. A first ste

Re: [osol-discuss] Two noob questions (kernel/filesystem)

2007-07-30 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> (Don't use a symlink, as packages delivering that > directory will > blow away the symlink and just make a mess of > things.) > > ames Carlson, Solaris Networking > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ha, wish we had known this b/f we made the mess of things (& still have no clue of what was g

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Cameron
>> Solaris is uniquely situated to make this dream a reality. > > With the support of Sun Microsystems, resources > > Solaris is not very well positioned in the UI competition. Sun, it > appears, has consciously chosen not to actively develop a desktop, but > to patiently swallow whatever gnom

Re: [osol-discuss] Rationale for 64K mmap alignment?

2007-07-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi d, David McDaniel wrote: > Wondering if anyone knows the reason mmap always returns space 64K aligned on > 32 bit sparc apps. If many small files are mmap'd, lots of address space gets > eaten up. > > Here is what makes sense to me. If there's something I'm missing, let me know. 64k pag

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Sean Sprague
Hey andrewk9, I shall reply to you, but my 2 cents applies to other comments in this thread; so apols if I bang on about stuff that you have not directly or indirectly commented on. > 1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun to be addressing all of > the shortcomings in OpenSolaris.

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Orvar Korvar
It seems that build 68 also has the same problem. Maybe something with the graphic driver? Has it been changed from b67? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Rationale for 64K mmap alignment?

2007-07-30 Thread Bart Smaalders
David McDaniel wrote: > Wondering if anyone knows the reason mmap always returns space 64K aligned on > 32 bit sparc apps. > If many small files are mmap'd, lots of address space gets eaten up. > Also, can it be changed via a knob anywhere? > The ELF alignment requirement for 32bit executables

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
On 7/30/07, Edward McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you Alan. > > I am somewhat confused regarding their approach. They are saying the are > going to deliver these drivers, on one hand, but on the other hand they are > claiming they cannot because they don't own all of the IP (that par

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread andrewk9
I agree entirely with this post. My thoughts: 1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun to be addressing all of the shortcomings in OpenSolaris. The community needs to be involved in a meaningful way in improving it. A first step to improving collaboration might be to add a wiki to Ope

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Edward McAuley
Thank you Alan. I am somewhat confused regarding their approach. They are saying the are going to deliver these drivers, on one hand, but on the other hand they are claiming they cannot because they don't own all of the IP (that part of the development efforts are owned and copyrighted by othe

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Orvar Korvar
Thanx dude!!! :o) At last, can I continue... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Rationale for 64K mmap alignment?

2007-07-30 Thread David McDaniel
Wondering if anyone knows the reason mmap always returns space 64K aligned on 32 bit sparc apps. If many small files are mmap'd, lots of address space gets eaten up. Also, can it be changed via a knob anywhere? Thanks -d This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Cyril Plisko
On 7/30/07, Orvar Korvar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My mobo wont boot from any Solaris DVD. I have tried 3 different DVD players > and several Solaris DVD. None will boot. Solaris Express developer comes only > on DVD, no CD. I have several students that report that their computer wont > boot

Re: [osol-discuss] Two noob questions (kernel/filesystem)

2007-07-30 Thread Orvar Korvar
First I wanted one big slice, but as I am on vacation now, I have the time to try something new: slice name size(GB) 0 / 13 1 swap 2 3 /alt 13 4 /opt 6 5 /opt-alt 6 6 /pool 70 I will install one Solaris version on Slice 0, and another on S3. S0 will have S4. S3 will have S5. I will mount them

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Edward McAuley
Uh, let's see. Beautiful interface (as attractive as the Mac or Vista), intuitively laid out, ease of use, UNIX (like), open source...it's already here. You can download it or buy it. Suse 10.2 Please look at this latest version, it is stunning. The beautifully designed and intuitive layout

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Orvar Korvar
My mobo wont boot from any Solaris DVD. I have tried 3 different DVD players and several Solaris DVD. None will boot. Solaris Express developer comes only on DVD, no CD. I have several students that report that their computer wont boot from Solaris DVD. However, I can boot Windows XP CD and Sol

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Mike DeMarco
> To Ian Murdoch and the Open Solaris Community, > > As a long-time follower of the open source community, > I stumbled across this forum a week ago and was > intrigued by the activity taking place on Open > Solaris. I spent some time reading posts, and over > the day some concerns became clear t

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
> > Just the same, I think having an environment available that can hide > all of that away and that is robust enough that it's able to do so > when things are going wrong would be great. I just suspect that it's > far harder (read: expensive) to make that work in any reliable way > than most woul

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread James Carlson
Anil Gulecha writes: > Hi Korey, > > On 7/30/07, Korey Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The frustrating part is that it doesn't need to be this way. We now have > > the technology to make the command line obsolete. Combo boxes and check > > marks and tool tips could open up a world of fea

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Mike DeMarco
> I am trying to install x86 build 69 here, and the 3rd > CD cant install correctly. There is always a/some > package that says the install failed. I think it is > kernel driver package, drmbr or something? > > I have tried 3 different DVD players, and 5 different > CD-RW discs. Maybe I hade extre

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
> Solaris is uniquely situated to make this dream a reality. > With the support of Sun Microsystems, resources Solaris is not very well positioned in the UI competition. Sun, it appears, has consciously chosen not to actively develop a desktop, but to patiently swallow whatever gnome.org is pr

Re: [osol-discuss] Updating packages that are not in ON updates

2007-07-30 Thread Casper . Dik
>I've always wondered if there isn't a way to restore the ability to >do an upgrade after doing BFU. I don't know all the issues, does anybody >know why you can no longer do an upgrade? It's specifically disabled because, among other things, an upgrade would save a copy of all ON files as file~11

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Anil Gulecha
Hi Korey, On 7/30/07, Korey Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The frustrating part is that it doesn't need to be this way. We now have the > technology to make the command line obsolete. Combo boxes and check marks > and tool tips could open up a world of features to the general user. Simpl

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Stephen Lau
Korey Peters wrote: > To Ian Murdoch and the Open Solaris Community, ^^^ nit: it's Murdock. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] Two noob questions (kernel/filesystem)

2007-07-30 Thread James Carlson
W. Wayne Liauh writes: > We are trying to contribute as much as we could (to the OpenSolaris > development) given our very limited resources. As such, almost all our > Solaris desktop machines are configured in various multi-boot environments. > On this particular machine, we have (50GB alloca

[osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-07-30 Thread Korey Peters
To Ian Murdoch and the Open Solaris Community, As a long-time follower of the open source community, I stumbled across this forum a week ago and was intrigued by the activity taking place on Open Solaris. I spent some time reading posts, and over the day some concerns became clear to me; conce

Re: [osol-discuss] Two noob questions (kernel/filesystem)

2007-07-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
> We are trying to contribute as much as we could (to the OpenSolaris > development) given our very limited resources. As such, almost all our > Solaris desktop machines are configured in various multi-boot environments. > On this particular machine, we have (50GB allocated for the Solaris > part

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
ken mays wrote: > "http://ati.amd.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#2 > We also actively > assist developers in the Open Source community with > their work, so if you absolutely require an open > source driver for your graphics card, we can recommend > using drivers from the DRI project, Utah-GLX pr

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread ken mays
ken mays wrote: > The ATI v8.39.4 release of device drivers for Solaris > supporting the ATI X1900 series graphic cards??? As far as I know, ATI has no plans to release Solaris drivers themselves. > ATI mentioned they support the open source developers > wanting to work on ATI video device driver

Re: [osol-discuss] Updating packages that are not in ON updates

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Utterback
I've always wondered if there isn't a way to restore the ability to do an upgrade after doing BFU. I don't know all the issues, does anybody know why you can no longer do an upgrade? Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Jonathan Groll wrote: >> Being relatively new to opensolaris, I downloaded and installed

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread James Carlson
Tom Haynes writes: > Scott Rotondo wrote: > > The first half-dozen paragraphs, describing the obstacles facing > > external developers when the Apple source was still reasonably open, > > seem eerily familiar. [...] > With the exception that Sun is trying to open things up. I.e., an > external p

Re: [osol-discuss] Windows switcher: Wine for Solaris ( DC++ )?

2007-07-30 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Actually, gethrtime is in section 3C: > > "(3C)These functions, together with those of Section 2, > constitute the standard C library" > > And indeed, if we do some further digging: > > http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-60130/gethrtime.3C.html (HP-UX 11iv3) > > So, this says more a

Re: [osol-discuss] [xwin-discuss] Drivers for ATI vs. nVidia

2007-07-30 Thread John Martin
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> One issue nVidia implimentation is the pixels are not cleared as the cursor >> moved with the backspace or left arrow on the Mozilla or Firefox typing in >> a HTML form, So the pixels of the cursor are not solid and have shifted and >> on the left arrow characters t

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Tom Haynes
Scott Rotondo wrote: > Brian Gupta wrote: > >> Here's the basic truth about Apple and OpenSource: >> http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200602/apple.html >> > > The first half-dozen paragraphs, describing the obstacles facing > external developers when the Apple source was still reasonably open,

Re: [osol-discuss] [website-discuss] Can the forum search engine work?

2007-07-30 Thread Michael Li
Thanks a lot. Michael Derek Cicero 提到: > When the datacneter went down it corrupted a bunch of the search > indexes. I'm fixing it now. > > Derek > > Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> website-discuss is the best forum for reporting issues with the >> website itself, including the forums. >> >> -Alan Coo

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Orvar Korvar
Where can I find build 68 on CD? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Scott Rotondo
Brian Gupta wrote: > Here's the basic truth about Apple and OpenSource: > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200602/apple.html The first half-dozen paragraphs, describing the obstacles facing external developers when the Apple source was still reasonably open, seem eerily familiar. s/Apple/Sun/g s/20

Re: [osol-discuss] Two noob questions (kernel/filesystem)

2007-07-30 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
We are trying to contribute as much as we could (to the OpenSolaris development) given our very limited resources. As such, almost all our Solaris desktop machines are configured in various multi-boot environments. On this particular machine, we have (50GB allocated for the Solaris partition):

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Norm Jacobs
That doesn't paint a particularly pleasant picture. Let's hope, for the sake of those that have "bet the farm" on CUPS, that it maintains a more independent status. I don't expect that anything can disappear from it or that there will be a significant fork, but the Open Source community *may

[osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-07-30 Thread Orvar Korvar
I am trying to install x86 build 69 here, and the 3rd CD cant install correctly. There is always a/some package that says the install failed. I think it is kernel driver package, drmbr or something? I have tried 3 different DVD players, and 5 different CD-RW discs. Maybe I hade extreme unluck,

Re: [osol-discuss] [website-discuss] Can the forum search engine work?

2007-07-30 Thread Derek Cicero
When the datacneter went down it corrupted a bunch of the search indexes. I'm fixing it now. Derek Alan Coopersmith wrote: > website-discuss is the best forum for reporting issues with the > website itself, including the forums. > > -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
ken mays wrote: > The ATI v8.39.4 release of device drivers for Solaris > supporting the ATI X1900 series graphic cards??? As far as I know, ATI has no plans to release Solaris drivers themselves. > ATI mentioned they support the open source developers > wanting to work on ATI video device driver

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI vs. nVidia

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
John Brewer wrote: > Solarois 10u3 used the nv driver and OpenSolaris swtcihed snv_b65 from the nv > to the nVidia I am not sure of all the reasons why maybe nVidia provides > more feature enablement then what nv driver was Opensource? Solaris 10u4 also switches to the nvidia driver. nv is o

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Orvar Korvar wrote: > True. > > ATI's has drivers only for Windows OS. ATI has drivers for Linux as well, though they're usually behind the Windows drivers. (For instance, the X1000 series was supported on Windows about 6 months before they got a Linux driver out for it.) -- -Alan Coo

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Edward McAuley wrote: > Is anyone aware of a source who has drivers for the ATI X1900 that will work > on Solaris 10? The only possible source I know of is the currently very-much-experimental and under heavy development xf86-video-avivo drivers being produced by the Xorg community reverse engine

[osol-discuss] GPGPU code...

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
Is anyone running any GPGPU code on Solaris? I ask because with AMD Fusion coming down the road, it seems that most AMD64 machines will have access to GPU based computation functions. With Solaris and Sun moving to a highly threaded programming model (Fortress), might these functions be incorporat

Re: [osol-discuss] Can the forum search engine work?

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
website-discuss is the best forum for reporting issues with the website itself, including the forums. -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering Li Qin wrote: > Hi, > > I always get 0 result, whatever I searched with the

[osol-discuss] Can the forum search engine work?

2007-07-30 Thread Li Qin
Hi, I always get 0 result, whatever I searched with the Forum search engine, for instence: There is a topic: Apple bought CUPS source code. When I input "Apple" as keyword, I get nothing back. I remember the search engine has ever worked before... - Michael This message posted from open

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
Here's the basic truth about Apple and OpenSource: http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200602/apple.html -Brian On 7/30/07, Norm Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A couple of weeks ago, Mike announced that Apple bought CUPS back in > February and is now employing him. From what I read, Mike will b

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Norm Jacobs
A couple of weeks ago, Mike announced that Apple bought CUPS back in February and is now employing him. From what I read, Mike will be working on something other than CUPS (don't know what) at Apple, but will still be supporting CUPS. As for forking the code... For a while now, the licensing

Re: [osol-discuss] Has anyone successfully install the driver of the Marvell 88E8038

2007-07-30 Thread Manel Aragon
Hello: Sometimes is not a question of driver's bug or install's bug. I have an Acer t180 with a Marvell Yukon 88x8056, I tried with SKGE or Marvell, but a core dumps and not work. I use Murayama's driver myk and edit driver_aliases with a correct device id and it works. Perhaps is a question of

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread James Carlson
Brian Gupta writes: > http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q Ah, a license fork. What fun! -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.49

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
On 7/30/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian Gupta writes: > > http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q > > Ah, a license fork. What fun! Personally I think this is a complete perversion of the open source movement, and can't believe this hasn't gotten wider coverage

Re: [osol-discuss] How to change IP address on Solaris 10

2007-07-30 Thread James Carlson
Shafayet Hossain writes: > That mean i don't have to change /etc/inet/ipnodes in Solaris 10 update 4 and > later. Is that correct? This document totally confused me. its saying that It's correct. > Why is this difference? /etc/inet/ipnodes is now just a symlink to /etc/inet/hosts, as is /etc/h

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Brian Gupta
http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q On 7/30/07, Ché Kristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard that they bought cups but stated that: > > "Apple Inc. has trademarked the Common UNIX Printing System, CUPS, and > CUPS logo. These names and logos may be used freely in any direct po

Re: [osol-discuss] Drivers for ATI X1900

2007-07-30 Thread Ché Kristo
You mention XiG (Xi Graphics), do they even exist anymore? Try http://www.xig.com/ and note that it times out... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Apple bought CUPS source code.

2007-07-30 Thread Ché Kristo
I heard that they bought cups but stated that: "Apple Inc. has trademarked the Common UNIX Printing System, CUPS, and CUPS logo. These names and logos may be used freely in any direct port or binary distribution of CUPS. To use them in derivative products, please contract Apple Inc. for written

Re: [osol-discuss] Rant: We do not support solaris

2007-07-30 Thread Mike DeMarco
> I installed Solaris S10 06/06 or whatever, on a Dell > D600 lappie, and a Inspiron 6000 lappie, without > problems. Both worked fine. Dell is starting to come around. Some of the problems I have had with Dell in the past are as follows: 1) Off shore support. 2) Intel processors only (They are

Re: [osol-discuss] Windows switcher: Wine for Solaris ( DC++ )?

2007-07-30 Thread a b
> > It's a matter of pride to deliver a quality product that "just works" and> > > > doesn't break something else.> > I write things for my own purposes and I > > often need to use the high> resolution timers. I have no idea if that is > > portable into the Linux world> and I guess I never care

Re: [osol-discuss] [website-discuss] Opensolaris.org is back up

2007-07-30 Thread Alan Burlison
Tirthankar wrote: >> As I said, it doesn't support Nevada. Jam tomorrow is not any use to us. > > Its out now :) We've spoken to the clustering folks already. Their advice is that if we want to use clustering, we should stick to S10. -- Alan Burlison -- _

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