Understanding that ZFS is the world's most advanced filesystem, there are times
when other filesystem types are needed.
In particular I am wondering if there is any work done or planned to start
supporting additional file systems. Foe example:
- jffs2/squashfs
- FAT16/FAT32
- NTFS
- ext3
- HFS+
Why can't the emails I get include the topic of the post, in addition to the
links?
Why are there no digest mailing formats?
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3) Why can't the emails I get include the body of the post?
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Shouldn't DVD burning be included in this discussion? I need all formats of DVD
+ and - as well as single and double layer.
Also I think that ideally there is a good scriptable cli tool, ideally the sam
tool has a simple to use GUI, in addition to an ncurses interface.
How many people really ne
Another annoyance. I keep getting emails about 'discuss' forum. The unfortunate
thing is that their are multiple forums named discuss, and there really doesn't
seem to be an east way to distinguish between them.
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> ISO's, then you will need to convince Sun to take on
> the burden
> of building, shipping, and supporting them - which at
> the minimum
> will require reviews by the Architecture Review
> Committee (ARC)
> and Sun's Product management committees, which for
> KDE would
> probably take closer to mo
> But if all you wanted to do is just "get stuff out of
> your computer", then why are you here? Why Solaris?
> Somebody with that kind of mentality can be perfectly
> happy on Windows. If you don't care about how it all
> works, you don't need the most advanced operating
> system on the planet. Wi
Is there a plan to incorporate this into Solaris Express?
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> community groups - would it be fair to assume this
> project will be
> affiliated with the existing Storage community?
I have been told that there is going to be a new file system community soon.
This seems to be the ideal fit.
-brian
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I'm sorry, at the moment Sun just doesn't have the software tools I need. (I
work for a big corp. )
I have made a vow that when VMWare workstation comes out for Solaris, I will
start running a Solaris desktop. (I have held of switching to a Linux desktop
in the hopes that Sun will come through
I did research about 5 years ago regarding HSM file systems. QFS/SAMFS was a
leading contender in that space. It also had the added benefit of having a
truly massive ability to scale. (We ended up going with another product,
because our first choice of optical jukeboxes was not supported.)
This i
I did research about 5 years ago regarding HSM file systems. QFS/SAMFS was a
leading contender in that space. It also had the added benefit of having a
truly massive ability to scale. (We ended up going with another product,
because our first choice of optical jukeboxes was not supported.)
This
> A big part of the problem is L_cuserid from
> , which is a
> preprocessor symbol with the value 9 (8 + 1 for NUL
> byte terminator).
> That's been around forever, can't really go away
> (AFAIK), and once a program
> that uses that has been compiled, it can't be changed
> without recompiling
> it
One way to do this, assuming you are using a supported SAN boot
storage array, is to make a full flash archive of you OS, and then
Jumpstart it to the LUN. This may need be the most ellegant way to do
this, but it is the most storage neutral method that I am aware of.
Cheers,
Brian
On 4/26/07, s
You can run into geometry issues.
-Brian
On 4/26/07, Nicholas Senedzuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why not just mirror the internal scsi disk to the LUN then break the mirror
and you should be good to go.
On 4/26/07, Brian Gupta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One way to do
On 4/26/07, a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to have their problem, because they have the $$$s to solve it.
They do not have that money. They have virtual money becuase of the stock
value. It is speculative at best what would happen if they tried to
exchange
all that virtual money for c
I am pretty sure OpenSolaris does not support xenix filesystems, nor am I
aware of any plans to do so. Your best bet is to contact SCO, and see if
their OpenServer can do what you need. (They bought Xenix from Microsoft)
-Brian
On 4/30/07, Jim Bolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
does opensolaris
The OpenSolaris project is similar to the Fedora project. See:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/
The primary reason for the existence of the opensolaris project is to
coordinate the distributed development of Solaris. (The open source version
of solaris is called opensolaris). User input is a value
Moderator,
Can we please kill this thread. :)
-Brian
On 5/1/07, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote:
> > Lithium also helps for oder people ;-)
^
should be "older"
Jörg
Hi Jörg,
Lithium may be goo
I hope this is the right forum for this question.
Thanks,
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The biggest problem for us was just getting Sun to certify our Brand
of storage, otherwise it is a good thing.
On 5/4/07, shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is the recommendation for doing boot from SAN?
I have /,/var,swap partitions, with of them is recommended to put on the SAN
for sure?
Ge
We have the USP, from HDS. Because Sun also sells a rebadged USP, they
didn't certify the competing product.
On 5/4/07, shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
what?
Sun certify this AMS storage as a boot from SAN, and also with MPxIO.
I did it, and It work perfect.
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about the USP I don't know.
AMS-500 work realy fine.
Oh it works alright, it's just that Sun won't stand behind it as a
supported configuration.
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The holy grails of SAN boot:
1) Can use array based replication
2) Can snap volumes for backup
3) Can clone volumes to incredibly speed up system provisioning. (Make
a master root disk image and just copy it for new systems.) Or if you
are really sneaky, and your array supports it you can make co
Aren't those things being sold in the tens of thousands, which even at
$100 translates into "a lot of money" ... and they already have a
reasonable GNU/Linux on them?
Well, the same thing could have been said about x86 hardware in
general a few years ago. It was pre-installed w/ Windows or Linux
I can't seem to find the document that defines where various things
are supposed to go in the filesystem. I found these two links for
Linux and Solaris, but couldn't find the one for OpenSolaris.
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-0220/6m6nkorot?a=vi
rk?
On 5/5/07, Brian Gupta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Aren't those things being sold in the tens of thousands, which even at
> > $100 translates into "a lot of money" ... and they already have a
> > reasonable GNU/Linux on them?
>
> Well, the
What is OpenSolaris?
Reality: (My observation, a bit cynical)
-
OpenSolaris is Sun's Solaris development team's project site. The
process has been opened up to the public, to expand the Solaris
developer community to include unpaid volunteers. (unpaid by Sun.)
Additionally, the Solaris co
On 5/6/07, Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Brian Gupta wrote:
> I can't seem to find the document that defines where various things
> are supposed to go in the filesystem. I found these two links for
> Linux and Solaris, but couldn't find the one
> What if someone has his/her own OpenSolaris based distro ? Can he/she
> make modifications to it as he/she pleases ?
Yes. I have made a bunch of mods for BeleniX. Nexenta/SchilliX folks
have made
a bunch of mods as well ... essentially the distro teams decide what
goes into to the
dist
I urge you to check out the OpenWRT project. http://openwrt.org/
Although this uCLinux distribution just supported The Linksys WRT-54g series of
WiFi routers, support has been expanded to agreat number of devices that
support internal harddrives. The processors in these devices are generally mi
e.g.:
- Dynamic window sizing
- Selective acks
- compressing the data using common sequence reduction
- caching TCP sequences on the receiving end
- transparent TCP session termination/proxy allows packet reordering
at the far end.
- Application Optimization Over the WAN. e.g. for a chatty protoco
Might we want to put one together, since there are alot of us testing these
early Builds on a wide variety of hardware.
Cheers,
Brian
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Does this mean we are going to have to scrap the Brand-Linux Zones,
and make a Brand-Solaris Zone? (For old-school Solaris admins)
Anyway, could someone from Sun please give us more details?
Cheers,
Brian
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Seems like lots of people are bitching and moaning about this.
I for one am all for this. (It seemed at times I was the only one for
it at times).
The fact of the matter is that most of the gnu/Linux command
equivalents are, for the most part, more feature rich and easier to
use.
Would you rath
Ian,
We are all trying to figure out what exactly you had in mind when you said:
"Sun wants to embrace some Linux elements so "we make Solaris a better
Linux than Linux""
and
"It's too unfamiliar. There's a gulf ... We need to make it familiar
to people who know Linux inside and out."
"As we
For that matter, the userlands aren't that different. Solaris has a little less
comfort in that it doesn't imply parameters or helps you with everything (e.g.
useradd on Solaris vs. Linux). Anything that runs under X11 is virtually the
same between the operating systems.
Also, I do hope that S
Over in systemadmin-discuss I am discussing a central web based framework
See this for more details. http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df6hcjb2_12fvc6tq
-Brian
P.S. - We can use your CLI skills for the remote data gathering.
On 5/11/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So why dont we ba
Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at
least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS.
In no particular order
Technical
--
1) Stable ABI
2) Great SMP support. IE: Scales very well
3) Dtrace instrumenting
4) ZFS
5) Reput
Please see my recent post regarding, what's good about Solaris.
One of the things that just hit me about Solaris administration, is
that when most of us learned Solaris, the commercial Internet had not
taken off yet. And http was still years away.
The way we learned was old school. We bought and
It seems no one is interested in trying to figure out what is right
about Solaris.
On 5/11/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at
least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS.
In no particular
On 5/11/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not at all, but Sun execs have a long history of
> telling the press long
> before they talk to the engineers, and half of what
> the press reports
> bears no relation to what actually ends up happening
> in the long run.
And why have they not
Well I was hoping to solidify the list... Get other peoples thoughts on it.
On 5/11/07, Artem Kachitchkine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at
>> least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS.
Who is trying to c
long for this to escalate to into an all out flame.
Remember Gentlemen, pinkies up!
On 5/11/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/11/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Not at all, but Sun execs have a long history of
> > > telling the press long
I want to help. I volunteer for a Solaris Express install video using
the curses console. (I will need someone to do the editing.. as I'll
have difficulty enough getting the data off the camera.)
Let's get on with it, who else wants to help?
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I top because that's my only option for gmail mobile web edition.
On 5/12/07, Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thommy M. Malmström wrote:
>
>> The general consensus on technical Usenet groups is not to top post and
>> the reasons have been well debated,
>>
>
> Yeah, but this is a mailing l
Check your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH environmental variables. It
generally means that something in the dependancy tree can't be found.
On 5/14/07, snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Somebody can help me?
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Easier to install? I do not see much difference in the
difficulty of installing a Linux distribution versus
Open Solaris/Solaris. I still have to get a shell to
get what I want during installation on Linux.
I like the fact Linux installers often let you configure root
mirroring and LVMs durin in
Well, I would have to say this is an entirely different situation, as
the majority of OpenSolaris developers are currently getting paid to
work on OpenSolaris.
So don't let the Debian issue factor into your position...
-Brian
On 5/14/07, Venky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There was one bit of
The feature is only missing from the interactive installer :(
Yeah well, for the sake of this discussion, the interactive installer
is all that matters. If they have gotten past the initial barrier to
entry and are working on setting up a JumpStart server, then they are
well on their way to bein
my opinion is very important for luring the Linux community to a far
superior kernel I think, however, that it's missing the point
Agreed. One thing that is often missed, X tool is suitable for the
task at hand. In many cases Linux (and it's kernel) is suited to the
task at hand. In many ca
I proposed in an earlier thread that there I felt there should be two
products/distros developed within OpenSolaris.org.
- OpenSolaris Enterprise Edition (classic Solaris)
- OpenSolaris Community Edition (swiss army knife distro)
It would be Sun's digression to support and/or productize either
v
> - OpenSolaris Enterprise Edition (classic Solaris)
> - OpenSolaris Community Edition (swiss army knife distro)
>
I thought it best to add in here that Nexenta itself is not stagnant,
and has tried to be the swiss army knife distro. I'm a little biased
Thanks for info! I am thinking that the ex
My view is that bounties are best handled for contained single man
projects and tasks, e.g. - develop driver for X chip, port xyz small
app to OpenSolaris (vs. large community maintained projects.)
For large community projects, generally it makes sense to support
individual developers, such that
Why should a project like Indiana support a Sun internal project?
Joerg,
This sounds exactly like what I have been pushing for. (I don't work for Sun.)
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Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is
not a Sun project?
Well, the homepage is hosted by Blastwave:
http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=about
No mention of Sun in the about page.
Personally I didn't think it was a Sun project, just as my involv
> >How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia
> > drivers in a GNU/Linux
> >LiveDVD without violating the GPL ?
>
> Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue?
If it were a GPL violation, FSF lawyers would be in touch with the
infringing party.
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Why do you believe this?
From:
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html
Note that the GPL, and other copyleft licenses, are copyright licenses. This
means that only
the copyright holders are empowered to act against violations. The FSF acts on
all GPL
violations reported on F
What if someone were to attempt to reverse engineer the kernel
interface for Linux strictly by reading what is available on the web.
(Commentary)
I would pick a popular kernel that has the most commentary. (Don't
look at source though).
You could then document the kernel interface for say 2.4.x
Of course, it matters
SchilliX was already fully Opensource before, so what is special in Belenix?
Moinak managed to convince 5 or 6 friends of his to help out. Belenix
also seems to have reached or almost reached critical mass, as one of
the top two leading non-sun OpenSolaris distros. (Fr
> What if someone were to attempt to reverse engineer the kernel
> interface for Linux strictly by reading what is available on the web.
> (Commentary)
Doable in theory, probably worthless in practice given the kernel
interface churn. No DDI == no reason for stability.
I don't think it is wort
> > SchilliX was already fully Opensource before, so what is special in Belenix?
>
> Moinak managed to convince 5 or 6 friends of his to help out. Belenix
> also seems to have reached or almost reached critical mass, as one of
> the top two leading non-sun OpenSolaris distros. (From a completeness
another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back
in the picture.
JavaOS? Don't you mean uCLinux? (Reread the article)
I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of the
jPhone versus the iPhone.
Personally I think the jPhone is a non-starter. uCLinux yes, Java maybe not.
brian
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> - OpenSolaris Enterprise Edition (classic Solaris)
> - OpenSolaris Community Edition (swiss army knife distro)
This is a simple idea that gets hard rather quickly.
Coming up with a roadmap/plan that describes what is
intended is where we have always run into problems.
Some of these imponderabl
On 5/15/07, Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Brian Gupta wrote:
>> another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back
>> in the picture.
>
> JavaOS? Don't you mean uCLinux? (Reread the article)
>
>> I'd like to see some head-to-head com
Based on the following descriptions, I think that Belenix and Nexenta
are both suitable candidates for providing a basline for developing a
community release of OpenSolaris. It actually depends on how far the
community wishes Indiana to diverge from the current code base.
Thoughts?
brian
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lling their own?
brian
On 5/15/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 15/05/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Doug Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Brian Gupta wrote:
> > >> another Sun product. I think the JavaOS mo
Joerg,
You need to take a chill pill, as you are alienating (have alienated?)
the group you are seeking collaboration with. Let me give you a hint.
Most people don't like to have their motives questioned at every move.
Nor do they like contrariness, when it seems to have no logical
purpose. (Othe
I am looking for a relatively inexpensive server(s), that can run in
my (family) living room. (IE: That don't sound like jet engine's)
Ideally one of them would be beefy enough to run vmware server on, so
I can have multiple dev environments running concurrently. (If they
are cheap enough I could
I have started an ongoing personal project to engage my local Linux
UG, (which I am a member of) in an OpenSolaris discussion. So far it's
mostly been "Where do I get and how do I install OpenSolaris??"
Quote from an anonymous Linux user:
I wasn't even talking about installing/admin'ing Solaris
The strange thing with this thread is that it has not been aroused by me.
I am just sitting back and trying to prevent a discussion from derailing.
OK, then explain these words:
"I put my fingers into open wounds, but it Do it very lately after other
attempts did fail..."
> I've noticed that
I think a modified version of this documentation page should be the
opensolaris.org homepage. (Not just a top level link)
-brian
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I use Retrospect. (Professional I think)
On 5/15/07, MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What I think you are asking for is a client backup system that sends to backup
to a network share. There are many of these, both free and not free. I know a
common one is Acronis True Image. You run on your W
Personally, I am not terribly worried about GNU/Linux users who have a
hard time moving over to Solaris. I find the goal to be laughable and
I would far more upset if my OS of choice was diluted to support a
marketing initiative.
How exactly did you learn Solaris? (It's easy to forget).
GNU/Li
I have reached decided to include my local LUG in the conversation. I
have linked the thread, in case anyone is interested. They have some
very valid points).
http://nylug.org/pipermail/nylug-talk/2007-May/thread.html#33873
Cheers,
Brian
P.S. - Please reach out to your local Linux User groups a
> Well, Indiana is intended to be a product - an OpenSolaris distribution with a
> regular release schedule.
>
>
So, I'd expect to see some documents from you that describe this
product. Have you a 1-pager that describes the basics?
Project Description
Risks and Assumptions
Business Summary
P
> In agile development, you begin with a list of simple requirements
> without a detailed description of how you are going to get there. You
> then rush straight to implementation. After implementation, you pass
> back to customer for feedback at the soonest possible instance. You
> then rush agai
On 5/17/07, Nicolas Droux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On behalf of the Networking Community I'd like to propose the
creation of a new OpenSolaris project: Virtual Network Machines.
The project will exploit OpenSolaris technologies provided by
Crossbow, Zones, Quagga, IP Filter, and other projects
I assume you are in touch with the people working on PEF??
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> OSEE - OpenSolaris Enterprise Edition (classic Solaris)
> OSCE - OpenSolaris Community Edition (swiss army knife distro)
Please don't take my comments as throwing cold water on your
strawman; rather, try to use them to help drive a deeper common
understanding. I agree with you - we really need
I do think that a lot of us folks on the OSS side of Sun want to see
Opensolaris be the leader and Solaris be the distribution, which isn't the
way it is right now. But I think we're correct in assuming that that is
everyone's eventual goal, else why open source Solaris?
While I agree with the
Red Hat and Microsoft had to start with unstable single-user OSes and make
them enterprise-capable; surely our task is easier?
I would consider Microsoft NT the basis of Modern windows. It took 5/6
major revs before it was ready for use as a mass market OS.
The same could be said for RedHat, fr
Going back to my initial motivation to get involved with OpenSolaris,
and trying to find a common thread from conversations both within and
without Opensolaris.org, it seems that the biggest area that needs
addressing is the lack of a modern comprehensive packaging and
distribution standard for Op
I am moving this discussion to install-discuss. (Please remove
opensolaris-discuss from any replies).
On 5/17/07, Bart Smaalders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Brian Gupta wrote:
> Going back to my initial motivation to get involved with OpenSolaris,
> and trying to find a common
Wouldn't this partially fall into system administration community?
-Brian
On 5/18/07, Isaac Rozenfeld - NEW YORK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Darren J Moffat wrote:
> Isaac R. wrote:
>>
>> This is a draft proposal to create a new OpenSolaris community
>> focusing on the subject of Chargeback.
>>
(E.g., nVidia drivers)
Well, as far as I am aware, Nvidia doesn't allow redistribution of
their drivers, due to GPL issues.
-Brian
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> > On 17/05/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > In order to do that we need a set of common goals,
> > defining what we
> > > expect out of our modern packaging standard. I
> > have started with a
> > > list below. L
opensolaris community offer it.So,for example,Indiana should be offer
as first choice GNU CC and not SunPro compiler because it is a only
binary product.Then,but only after that, we
My understanding is the Forte was going to be OpenSourced? Is this not the case?
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Why don't we first focus on those applications that don't exist in
Solaris currently? Also, in parallel, we should work on an updated
packaging format.
These two things will do much to lay the foundations for addressing
the out of box completeness gap.
-Brian
On 5/18/07, Geoff Clare <[EMAIL PRO
On 5/14/07, Pradhap Devarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Brian,
Nice list !! , may be you can start putting it in wiki
http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page . So that
people can start contributing to it.
Done. http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/SolarisStrengths
brian
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The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris
development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface
in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on
opensolaris.org
Might this fall under tools-discuss?
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I was wondering if there is a fit for a ticketing system to track who
is working on what? (It would help me to have a list of task I have
commited to.
If there is interest, I can set something up, either in my domain. or
if Sun is willing, I would be willing to set it up, at
opensolaris.org.
-Br
http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=181
Questions:
Is this unit 64 bit? Also, is their a supplier where I can purchase a
barebones system? (Or if not what rackable case should I use?)
Thanks,
Brian
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On 5/19/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Initially Linux was not suitable for Enterprise
> deployments, but as
> time goes on Linux is acceptable, for more and more
> tasks. (Many times
> being the best choice).
One picks Linux "as the best choice" only if one doesn't know what one is
1) Logwatch doesn't come with Solaris. (Although if you look in the
root crontab, there is an included script that can roll syslogs. It's
pretty straighforward, and should be easy to edit.
2) Logwatch proper will run on Solaris.
On 5/20/07, Anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Greetings to All
I'
Actually, I see them as two very different groups. The difference is
primarily the entry point.
Agreed. (Don't ignore the fact that goals and workloads are currently
very different.)
The current market for Solaris 10 (and the market RHEL etc. also target)
is the traditional enterprise, i.e., t
On 5/21/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've worked in places where system administrators
> hacked source code
> which was available (BSD Unix, source licenses).
>
> Invariably, it is a *bad* idea; but that point is
> never driven home
> until one of the administrators does leave or i
I've never liked popularity contests since long term popularity fades.
Shawn, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Anyone remember that
old old instruction set that the Intel 8086 popularized? See what
happens to popular technology? It fades from use, especially if it is
underpowered and the
I would add to the list the fact that the source code is well
documented, which I don't really find the case in the linux kernel.
Done. In the future, feel free to edit the wiki yourself.
On 5/18/07, Christopher Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- Brian Gupta <[EMA
> > I've never liked popularity contests since long term popularity fades.
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> Shawn, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Anyone remember that
> old old instruction set that the Intel 8086 popularized? See what
> happens to popular technology? It fades from use, especially if it is
> underpow
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