A first step would be someone gathering a list of
people committed to working
on it, and going through the opensolaris project
creation process to get
yourself a mailing list and source repository setup.
I am not an X11 expert but you can count me in, with some guidance I can do
some work.
Jensen Lee wrote:
Certainly I want to keep using my Sun Blade. Will
Sun next commercial release of Solaris at least
support the legacy 3D Labs cards?
Because like every other computer company in the
world, including Sun for
the past 25 years, hardware is not supported forever
and at some
Jensen Lee wrote:
1) open the 3D Labs drivers in Europe where software patents even if existing
are not enforceable, someone in Europe could pick up the work
Software patents have nothing to do with this discussion.
There are legal agreements in place which restrict disclosure
and derived
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org wrote:
Jensen Lee wrote:
Certainly I want to keep using my Sun Blade. Will
Sun next commercial release of Solaris at least
support the legacy 3D Labs cards?
Because like every other computer company in the
world, including Sun
From: Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:30:33 AM
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Sun UltraSparc: XVR-500, Expert 3D, legacy graphic
cards
Jensen Lee wrote:
Certainly I want to keep using my Sun Blade. Will
Sun next commercial
Jensen Lee wrote:
Let me understand Alan, why in 25 years of computing I never had this problem
before. Windoze supports old hardware,
Windows 7: Requires at least 1Ghz CPU, 1 GB RAM, Video card
capable of DirectX 9
MacOS Snow Leopard: only supports Intel Macs - no longer supports
their
Octave Orgeron wrote:
Here's a fun test that shouldn't cost millions for Sun to do today. How about
get Nvidia or ATI to build a PCI and PCI-E 3D video card that will work with
OpenSolaris Xorg on SPARC. Make it work on UltraSPARC III/IIIi workstations
and sell it for under $300. I'm
Windows 7: Requires at least 1Ghz CPU, 1 GB RAM,
MacOS Snow Leopard: only supports Intel Macs - no
WinXP? That is hardly the latest Windows - I doubt
that machine runs Vista
or Windows 7. You'll be able to run Solaris 10 for
many years to come on
your workstation - that would be
Who said anything about software patents? Copyright
contract
law are enforceable in Europe, but frankly, European
law is irrelevant,
since the contract is between two US-based companies,
and is thus
governed by US law, and would result in lawsuits in
US court if we
decided to break it.
Jensen Lee wrote:
Windows 7: Requires at least 1Ghz CPU, 1 GB RAM,
MacOS Snow Leopard: only supports Intel Macs - no
WinXP? That is hardly the latest Windows - I doubt
that machine runs Vista
or Windows 7. You'll be able to run Solaris 10 for
many years to come on
your
Jensen Lee wrote:
Who said anything about software patents? Copyright
contract
law are enforceable in Europe, but frankly, European
law is irrelevant,
since the contract is between two US-based companies,
and is thus
governed by US law, and would result in lawsuits in
US court if we
decided to
Mattieu Baptiste wrote:
3) obtain the chips documentation from 3D Labs and give that to the
community. Like Sun already did for his own chips. It can be
understood that 3D Labs don't want to provide documentation for
advanced 3D features. But not publishing the basics to use the chip is
utterly
Sun's been selling ATI cards for SPARC workstations
for a while,
the XVR-100 (PCI) and XVR-300 (PCI-E) - both of which
are supported
under OpenSolaris Xorg - sales are not exciting in
the least.
Is this perhaps because they are 2D and too expensive for what they offer?
Developing new
Jensen Lee wrote:
Who said anything about software patents? Copyright
contract
law are enforceable in Europe, but frankly, European
law is irrelevant,
since the contract is between two US-based companies,
and is thus
governed by US law, and would result in lawsuits in
US court if we
OBP *is* open src since 2007.
And there have always been guides and books describing how to write
fcode drivers.
One I know costs 60$ and includes many sample fcode / forth sample
drivers, including basic graphics.
if you are that expert who will write us all this fancy stuff, then
you can
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote:
OBP *is* open src since 2007.
And there have always been guides and books describing how to write
fcode drivers.
One I know costs 60$ and includes many sample fcode / forth sample
drivers, including basic graphics.
if
Frankly, it's a better idea to see if we (or some
other helpful soul)
can implement support for the various cards into Xorg
(which comes with
t's own challenges, but is a more sure bet).
Thank you, we are beginning to be constructive here, better than a NO NO
So what it the plan? Who is
I doubt you'll find any vendor who'll promise the
video card you buy today
will be supported in new OS versions coming out ten
years from now.
True, but as a consumer I have a choice to buy the video card that has open
drivers, at least for x86.
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org wrote:
I doubt you'll find any vendor who'll promise the
video card you buy today
will be supported in new OS versions coming out ten
years from now.
True, but as a consumer I have a choice to buy the video card that has open
Hi Jensen,
A few things:
1. There was some work I did a few years ago in that we didn't need
SPARC-specific video cards - you could use commercially available video cards
that were compatible to Xorg and SPARC motherboards.
2. I submitted a bunch of RFEs to update Sun OpenGL to OpenGL 1.5-2.1
You can run Solaris apps in compat mode under OpenBSD ;-)
zfs - no , but you can try real competitor from BSD world in this area -
DragonflyBSD
zones - chroot of course, not same, but no one says that OpenBSD is good for
everything
virtualization - no until developers correct their buggy
If they do how can they have an interest into non
disclosing information on old and no longer
commercially exploited technology?
That's their right to determine, not ours or yours.
This is arguable. As a consumer I have the right to use the hardware I purchase
in whatever way I see fit
either install Xsun from
SXCE on
OS200yy.mm, or buy one of the officially Sun-Xorg
supported cards, or
one of the community supported ones (#0).
What packages have to be installed on OpenSolaris (from SXCE or Solaris 10) to
make Xsun work with a Sun FB? Is there a guide?
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Mauro M. wrote:
If they do how can they have an interest into non
disclosing information on old and no longer
commercially exploited technology?
That's their right to determine, not ours or yours.
This is arguable. As a consumer I have the right to use the hardware I
purchase in
Mauro M. wrote:
If they do how can they have an interest into non
disclosing information on old and no longer
commercially exploited technology?
That's their right to determine, not ours or yours.
This is arguable. As a consumer I have the right to use the hardware I purchase
Mauro M. wrote:
either install Xsun from
SXCE on
OS200yy.mm, or buy one of the officially Sun-Xorg
supported cards, or
one of the community supported ones (#0).
What packages have to be installed on OpenSolaris (from SXCE or Solaris 10)
to make Xsun work with a Sun FB? Is there a guide?
It is a shame that Sun does not support XVR-500, XVR-1000, Expert 3D and
several other graphic cards on OpenSolaris because of copyright/NDA/patent
issues.
I think that Sun should make an effort to liase with 3D Labs to open their
drivers source to allow for implementation into OpenSolaris.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org wrote:
From: Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org
Subject: [osol-discuss] Sun UltraSparc: XVR-500, Expert 3D, legacy graphic
cards
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 5:21 AM
It is a shame that Sun does
Has anybody (Sun) actually asked 3D Labs to open their graphic cards drivers
source? Because 3D Labs are no longer in the business of producing graphic
cards, and I do not see why they would not do that if asked.
If they did it would only make good publicity to their name.
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org wrote:
Has anybody (Sun) actually asked 3D Labs to open their graphic cards drivers
source? Because 3D Labs are no longer in the business of producing graphic
cards, and I do not see why they would not do that if asked.
Check :
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Mattieu Baptiste mattie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org wrote:
Has anybody (Sun) actually asked 3D Labs to open their graphic cards drivers
source? Because 3D Labs are no longer in the business of producing
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote:
hi, with unaccelerated frame buffer mode drivers derived from wsfb ...
%mab
Yeah, with that unaccelerated frame buffer mode drivers derived from
wsfb my *workstation* is actually more useful than a serial console.
--
Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org writes:
It is a shame that Sun does not support XVR-500, XVR-1000, Expert 3D and
several other graphic cards on OpenSolaris because of copyright/NDA/patent
issues.
I think that Sun should make an effort to liase with 3D Labs to open their
drivers source
Rainer Orth wrote:
Jensen Lee hayd...@haydude.org writes:
It is a shame that Sun does not support XVR-500, XVR-1000, Expert 3D and
several other graphic cards on OpenSolaris because of copyright/NDA/patent
issues.
I think that Sun should make an effort to liase with 3D Labs to open
I understand that even though Sun posted binary drivers for OpenSolaris, Xorg
will not work with them and Xsun is not bundled with it.
To reply to those who suggested OpenBSD, that is out of topic, I have Sun
because I want to run Solaris, if I wanted openBSD I would have had a cheap
intel
I posted a message to ziiLabs' customer support which is the new company formed
from 3DLabs.
Please join me in inondating ziiLabs with requests to open the drivers for Sun
frambuffer cards following this link:
http://www.ziilabs.com/aboutus/contactgeneral.aspx
The power of the Internet
Jensen Lee wrote:
Certainly I want to keep using my Sun Blade. Will Sun next commercial release
of Solaris at least support the legacy 3D Labs cards?
Solaris 10 is the last release of Solaris planned to support those cards.
And by the way, due to this mess with OpenSolaris, I do not think I
Alan Coopersmith writes:
The SMF support for selecting an X server should stay - I have no plans to
remove it since it is useful for selecting between the remaining X servers
(Xorg, Xvnc, Xvfb), but Xsun will probably disappear from the list in the
Xserver script at some point.
That's great
Jensen Lee wrote:
And by the way, due to this mess with OpenSolaris, I do not think I will ever buy Sun hardware in the future. But most importantly, being a professional, I will refrein from advising anyone to buy Sun hardware. I used to recommend it as an investment ... what a shame! No
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