Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-28 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Joerg Schilling wrote: Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Darren, I feel like you covered the floor with little metal balls - one would slip no matter where he steps. I think that extensive discussions here and on indiana-discuss have established beyond r

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I get to the question in the subject, let me spell out the background for it: Linux - *the* open source operating system/kernel FreeBSD - promotes itself as being the BSD to use for desktop/server NetBSD - promotes itself as being easy port OpenBSD - promotes itse

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Hahn wrote: ... I think these are all good points, and think your proposed slogans are pretty good candidates, too. I believe I've seen similar ideas in both the Advocacy group and the Indiana project, too--I also remember that Dennis has pushed out some p

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Kristin Amundsen
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Kristin Amundsen wrote: I am really curious now how much is missing from the sources currently available. I will have to look at this. One major hole missing is a standards compliant shell (since Solaris ksh source is not released) though Roland is getting close to f

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kristin Amundsen wrote: I am really curious now how much is missing from the sources currently available. I will have to look at this. One major hole missing is a standards compliant shell (since Solaris ksh source is not released) though Roland is getting close to fixing that with the ksh93 i

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Kristin Amundsen
Heh, yes I have read it before. This is my job for Sun. I have done all of Sun's brands in the last 7 years. I know exactly what we need to do and how it has to happen. What I have not ever done is to try to run the conformance suites on OpenSolaris. -Kristin __

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Dennis Clarke
> A list could be made of everything that would be needed (though it would > take a bit of time). > > I am really curious now how much is missing from the sources currently > available. I will have to look at this. > > -Kristin Are you ready for this? :-) Looks at the opening lines on this

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> Dennis Clarke wrote: >> >>> Simple question : >>> >>> Can a person or person(s) with sufficient craft take the sources >>> from OpenSolaris.org and build a distro which *may* be certified >>> as UNIX ? >>> >>> Yes or No ? >> >> >> Sources only? I do

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Kristin Amundsen
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: Simple question : Can a person or person(s) with sufficient craft take the sources from OpenSolaris.org and build a distro which *may* be certified as UNIX ? Yes or No ? Sources only? I don't think so, at least not until Proj

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: Simple question : Can a person or person(s) with sufficient craft take the sources from OpenSolaris.org and build a distro which *may* be certified as UNIX ? Yes or No ? Sources only? I don't think so, at least not until Project Emancipation is complet

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Dennis Clarke
> As much as we may want to call OpenSolaris UNIX, we cannot. UNIX is a > trademark owned by The Open Group. Sounds like a deep deep jungle full of many many landsharks. :-( > The UNIX brand is designed to be applied to specific versions of > specific products from specific vendors. This

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Kristin Amundsen
As much as we may want to call OpenSolaris UNIX, we cannot. UNIX is a trademark owned by The Open Group. The UNIX brand is designed to be applied to specific versions of specific products from specific vendors. This is the problem. You cannot brand "OpenSolaris" any more than you could "Linu

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> This is the most important argument: OpenSolaris is UNIX 03 approved > > It's not, and cannot be (as I explained earlier). > > Solaris 10 3/05 is UNIX 03 certified. No Solaris Nevada build has yet > been certified (since it's not worth paying the Open Group for every

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: This is the most important argument: OpenSolaris is UNIX 03 approved It's not, and cannot be (as I explained earlier). Solaris 10 3/05 is UNIX 03 certified. No Solaris Nevada build has yet been certified (since it's not worth paying the Open Group for every build), and

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Dennis Clarke
> "Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > What OpenSolaris needs is something like this: >> > >> > OpenSolaris: the premier open source server platform >> > >> > or... >> > >> > "The OpenSolaris project is the only SVR4 based open source >> > platform that scales evenly from 1 CPU to 12

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What OpenSolaris needs is something like this: > > > > OpenSolaris: the premier open source server platform > > > > or... > > > > "The OpenSolaris project is the only SVR4 based open source > > platform that scales evenly from 1 CPU to 128 CPUs." > >

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-23 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Darren, I feel like you covered the floor with little metal balls - one would slip no matter where he steps. I think that extensive discussions here and on indiana-discuss have established beyond reasonable doubt that opensolaris.org is indeed in a bit of an identity

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: Can we say that it is UNIX ? Probably not. You can say a specific version of a specific binary distro is UNIX if it passes the test suites and submits the appropriate sized check to the Open Group to certify the results, but I don't think they have any model for brand

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-22 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Before I get to the question in the subject, let me spell out > the background for it: > While it might be exciting for lots of executive types at Sun, > for those who are in the open source community, > it's incredibly "ho hum". I wouldn't give it that much. > What OpenSolaris needs is so

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-22 Thread Kristin Amundsen
Dennis Clarke wrote: [snip] "The OpenSolaris project is the only SVR4 based open source platform that scales evenly from 1 CPU to 128 CPUs." That is sweet. Can we say that it is UNIX ? At the very least let's look at the Single UNIX Spec and determine if we can say it is UNIX ? GNU

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-22 Thread Stephen Hahn
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-21 16:14]: > And when we get to OpenSolaris: > "The OpenSolaris project is an open source community and a place > for collaboration and conversation around OpenSolaris technology." > > The problem here is that the first two sentences on www.opensola

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Darren, I feel like you covered the floor with little metal balls - one would slip no matter where he steps. I think that extensive discussions here and on indiana-discuss have established beyond reasonable doubt that opensolaris.org is indeed in a bit of an identity crisis. I would argue, ho

Re: [osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-21 Thread Darren . Reed
Stephen Hahn wrote: ... I think these are all good points, and think your proposed slogans are pretty good candidates, too. I believe I've seen similar ideas in both the Advocacy group and the Indiana project, too--I also remember that Dennis has pushed out some possibilities in the past a

[osol-discuss] What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-21 Thread Darren . Reed
Before I get to the question in the subject, let me spell out the background for it: Linux - *the* open source operating system/kernel FreeBSD - promotes itself as being the BSD to use for desktop/server NetBSD - promotes itself as being easy port OpenBSD - promotes itself as being the most secur