Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-21 Thread Keller, Damon A SPC MIL USA FORSCOM
On Monday 14 January 2008 05:52:13 Jerry Houston wrote: Basil Chupin wrote: bullshit. I have found the dreaded dog to be absolutely worthless. I don't have the eating cpu complaint, but a google desktop it aint... ROFL! BUT!...don't ever mention google in polite society or a

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-17 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 00:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 22:29 +, not disclosed wrote: It is not a beagle issue - it is a SUSE packaging issue, we all know what beagle does and how it performs - for a huge number of people it is a

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-17 Thread Stefan Hundhammer
On Thursday 17 January 2008 12:02, Stefan Hundhammer wrote: (I wouldn't have required a full quote of the last post, either). ^^ s/I/It -- Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Penguin by conviction. YaST2 Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-17 Thread Stefan Hundhammer
On Thursday 17 January 2008 06:46, Aaron Kulkis wrote: I'm not putting that crap back on my system just to file a bug which they already know about. I think you all made your respective points sufficiently clear now. (I wouldn't have required a full quote of the last post, either). Can we now

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-16 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 11:48:29 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: ... That's a highly selective sample you have there, totally ignoring the vast majority which complain about beagle..and ONLY beagle, being a resource hog. 1) Ubuntu HORRIBLY SLOW...even after removing beagle!

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-16 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 00:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 22:29 +, not disclosed wrote: For the love of all that is good and holy about our mailing list... WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INCESSANT BITCHING to the Beagle mailing list??? I'm tired of a)

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Woehl
Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 Kevin Dupuy: File A Bug. Or chat with them on irc.gnome.org #dashboard. Helpful people really. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 14 January 2008 11:40:08 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: I cannot believe that the devs are NOT aware of this it's been this way for several years, and they haven't done shit about it.  Which indicates that they just aren't interested in fixing it. And WHAT exactly makes you think

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 14 January 2008 06:35:18 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: I'll admitt that I've had one -1- issue with it, when it made my box a slow hog, and that was when someone sent me a borked .doc file, that made beagle choke. Deleted the file, and no, none, whatsoever problems since. That this

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 14 January 2008 06:49:03 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: Perhaps all the main commenters here should subscribe to the Beagle mailing list, and have this discussion there. Otherwise, I don;t see what the point of having this discussion on the openSUSE list is. I

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Bryen
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 19:49 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:03 +0100, Clayton wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this -

FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread not disclosed
For the love of all that is good and holy about our mailing list... WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INCESSANT BITCHING to the Beagle mailing list??? I'm tired of a) this constant repetition of an old thread when not all of us have a problem, yet it is taking up half the mailing list messages on a

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 22:29 +, not disclosed wrote: For the love of all that is good and holy about our mailing list... WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INCESSANT BITCHING to the Beagle mailing list??? I'm tired of a) this constant repetition of an old thread when not all of us have a

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008 06:49:03 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: Perhaps all the main commenters here should subscribe to the Beagle mailing list, and have this discussion there. Otherwise, I don;t see what the point of having this discussion on the openSUSE

Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-15 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 22:29 +, not disclosed wrote: For the love of all that is good and holy about our mailing list... WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INCESSANT BITCHING to the Beagle mailing list??? I'm tired of a) this constant repetition of an old thread when not all of us

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Clayton
definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. How do you figure that? Maybe once Beagle works a bit better it should be in the default install, but right now... given its horrible performance (for a large number of people), I would say Beagle should not be in the

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Kulkis
M9. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Kulkis schreef: At what point is a user with 10-20 years of experience using computers expected to start behaving like something other than a complete novice who has never used an electronic device in his entire life. Do you

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Mike
Kevin Dupuy wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I have a dozen or so OpenSUSE 10.x installations here, not one person leaves Beagle stuff running because it causes so many

RE: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread not disclosed
I have a dozen or so OpenSUSE 10.x installations here, not one person leaves Beagle stuff running because it causes so many problems. Yep we always remove it and set up locate which is useful and light weight... _ Express

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Jerry Houston
Basil Chupin wrote: bullshit. I have found the dreaded dog to be absolutely worthless. I don't have the eating cpu complaint, but a google desktop it aint... ROFL! BUT!...don't ever mention google in polite society or a family forum. But isn't the enemy of my enemy my friend? -- To

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 16:06 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: PerfectReign wrote: On Sat, January 12, 2008 7:33 am, peter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PerfectReign wrote: | If you don't like it, don't install it. There's no one holding your | fingers to

RE: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread not disclosed
I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it or ask someone to remove it for them.

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Clayton
I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it or ask someone to remove it for them. Exactly. Other than a few on

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-14-08 10:17]: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Bjørn Lie
man, 14.01.2008 kl. 16.03 +0100, skrev Clayton: snip Exactly. Other than a few on this mailing list, I have yet to meet ANYONE who likes or uses Beagle. The issue is not whether or not these people do or do not use a desktop search tool... it's because of the major performance impact that

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Clayton wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it or ask someone to remove it for them. Exactly. Other than a

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:03 +0100, Clayton wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it or ask someone

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Stevens
This thread definitely qualifies as a zombie 'cause it just won't die. It's not pure enough to be a born-again thread and it hasn't sucked any blood so it isn't an undead. Zombie it is. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 12:35 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Clayton wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:03 +0100, Clayton wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it or ask

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Bjørn Lie wrote: man, 14.01.2008 kl. 16.03 +0100, skrev Clayton: snip Exactly. Other than a few on this mailing list, I have yet to meet ANYONE who likes or uses Beagle. The issue is not whether or not these people do or do not use a desktop search tool... it's because of the major

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 12:35 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Clayton wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Rajko M. wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:17:50 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that as a insult, not help. They look at help as an attempt to make

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread M9.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Kulkis schreef: At what point is a user with 10-20 years of experience using computers expected to start behaving like something other than a complete novice who has never used an electronic device in his entire life. Do you

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 01:34 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Rajko M. wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:17:50 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that as a

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 12:34:55 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: ... USING THE TOOLS OF HIS JOB IS ***PART*** OF HIS JOB. If you owned a racing team, would you continue to employ a driver who refused to learn how to handle a skid? Or who refused to learn how to use the appropriate transmission

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread Aaron Kulkis
PerfectReign wrote: On Sat, January 12, 2008 7:33 am, peter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PerfectReign wrote: | If you don't like it, don't install it. There's no one holding your | fingers to the keyboard. I'm tired of some arguments. If you like beagle install it. If

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 16:06 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: PerfectReign wrote: On Sat, January 12, 2008 7:33 am, peter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PerfectReign wrote: | If you don't like it, don't install it. There's no one holding your | fingers to the

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread David C. Rankin
Kevin Dupuy wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. bullshit. I have found the dreaded dog to be absolutely worthless. I don't have the eating cpu complaint, but a google desktop

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-13 Thread Basil Chupin
David C. Rankin wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want Beagle. bullshit. I have found the dreaded dog to be absolutely worthless. I don't have the eating cpu

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-12 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kai Ponte wrote: On Friday 21 December 2007 08:28, Aaron Kulkis wrote: snippage I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-12 Thread PerfectReign
On Sat, December 22, 2007 3:09 pm, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kai Ponte wrote: The thing needs a complete overhaul. Excellent idea, Aaron. I think I just read you volunteering. Wrong. Here you go... I don't need this application in the first place. Why would I waste my time when there are

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-12 Thread peter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PerfectReign wrote: | If you don't like it, don't install it. There's no one holding your | fingers to the keyboard. I'm tired of some arguments. If you like beagle install it. If you don't leave it. This is a free world. But beagle is a default

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-12 Thread PerfectReign
On Sat, January 12, 2008 7:33 am, peter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PerfectReign wrote: | If you don't like it, don't install it. There's no one holding your | fingers to the keyboard. I'm tired of some arguments. If you like beagle install it. If you don't leave

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-27 Thread Aaron Kulkis
James Gardner wrote: I guess I'm kind of new here, but this thread is really starting to annoy me. Users are what users are. If they were highly knowlegable, most of us would be out of work. They don't WANT to know the geeky stuff. So what? I don't WANT to know how to rebuild my

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-27 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Robert Smits wrote: On December 24, 2007 09:26:53 am Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 09:24, James Knott wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 09:11, James Knott wrote: ... Boilers requires a specific trade to install service, because when water heats,

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-25 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-12-24 at 22:55 -0800, Robert Smits wrote: On December 24, 2007 03:54:30 pm Carlos E. R. wrote: In my country, hot water systems do not boil the water. And there is a relieve valve. Boilers are not used to heat water, they are

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-25 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-12-24 at 23:08 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: ... Those engineers. They have thought on everything to minimize effect of failed elements. Except computer engineers: if the program fails, they shrug, smile, and call it a bug :-P

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-25 Thread Hans Krueger
Carlos E. R. wrote: The Monday 2007-12-24 at 22:55 -0800, Robert Smits wrote: On December 24, 2007 03:54:30 pm Carlos E. R. wrote: In my country, hot water systems do not boil the water. And there is a relieve valve. Boilers are not used to heat water, they are used to generate

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-25 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 25 December 2007 01:02:57 am Dave Plater wrote: I just had a look at the suse factory repository and there is a version of beagle dated 24th maybe they got the message? I looked in changelogs and I can't find any changes in last few days. It is probably automatic rebuild because

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-25 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 25 December 2007 06:51:05 am Hans Krueger wrote: Carlos E. R. wrote: The Monday 2007-12-24 at 22:55 -0800, Robert Smits wrote: On December 24, 2007 03:54:30 pm Carlos E. R. wrote: In my country, hot water systems do not boil the water. And there is a relieve valve.

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 23 December 2007 11:03:42 pm Stevens wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 18:11, Terry Eck wrote: From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary: idiot, 1: a person afflicted with idiocy; esp: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Dave Plater
Rajko M. wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 11:03:42 pm Stevens wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 18:11, Terry Eck wrote: From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary: idiot, 1: a person afflicted with idiocy; esp: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding three years and

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 02:56:18 am Dave Plater wrote: Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most rudimentary use. Book that describes computer basics has few hundred pages. How many pages is needed to describe plumbing from A to Z ? carefull you don't insult

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 03:06:41 am Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 02:56:18 am Dave Plater wrote: ... Merry Christmass to you too. Merry Christmas and happy New Year, Dave. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Dave Plater
Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 02:56:18 am Dave Plater wrote: Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most rudimentary use. Book that describes computer basics has few hundred pages. How many pages is needed to describe plumbing from A to Z ?

Computer Accessability (was Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?)

2007-12-24 Thread G T Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:53, James Knott wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 15:14, James Knott wrote: ... snip Shall we deny access to these things to people who cannot pass a test on

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread James Knott
Stevens wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 18:11, Terry Eck wrote: From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary: idiot, 1: a person afflicted with idiocy; esp: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete custodial care. I think you mean an

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread James Knott
Rajko M. wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 11:03:42 pm Stevens wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 18:11, Terry Eck wrote: From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary: idiot, 1: a person afflicted with idiocy; esp: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding three years and

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Stevens
On Monday 24 December 2007 02:45, Rajko M. wrote: Stevens, Be careful calling the names and showing so little understanding how big is human kind knowledge. Doctor, lawyer, financial advisor, teller, car mechanic, electronic repairer, plumber, electrician, roofer, etc, etc, don't complain

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Jerry Houston
Rajko M. wrote: Doctor that doesn't know plumbing is not considered as unusual, but in your opinion the same doctor that doesn't know how to use computer is?! What's wrong in this picture? Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most rudimentary use. Book that describes

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 04:05:52 am Dave Plater wrote: Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 02:56:18 am Dave Plater wrote: Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most rudimentary use. Book that describes computer basics has few hundred pages. How many pages is

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread James Knott
Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 04:05:52 am Dave Plater wrote: Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 02:56:18 am Dave Plater wrote: Computers are far more complex than plumbing, even in the most rudimentary use. Book that describes computer basics has few

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Monday 24 December 2007 09:11, James Knott wrote: ... Boilers requires a specific trade to install service, because when water heats, it expands and releases steam, which cause a significant increase in pressure. A boiler that ruptures under pressure is comparable to a bomb. Even

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread James Knott
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 09:11, James Knott wrote: ... Boilers requires a specific trade to install service, because when water heats, it expands and releases steam, which cause a significant increase in pressure. A boiler that ruptures under pressure is

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Monday 24 December 2007 09:24, James Knott wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 09:11, James Knott wrote: ... Boilers requires a specific trade to install service, because when water heats, it expands and releases steam, which cause a significant increase in

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 08:08:21 am James Knott wrote:  Imagine going to your doctor and saying I'm not feeling well, fix the problem and not providing any further info. Great number of conversations with doctors, or any other professional, or tradesman, start with similar type of

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Jos van Kan
Rajko M. schreef: I'm comming from country where plumber can connect hot water to wrong valve and it can burn customer, in the worst case. Energy supply to water heater is under control of gas or electrical installer, Sounds familiar including all thermostats, and it is inspected by

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread James Gardner
? Be HAPPY you get to deal with dumb users. Without them, you may be living in a shelter. -Original Message- From: Rajko M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Why beagle? On Monday 24 December 2007 08:08:21 am James Knott wrote

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 12:00:02 pm James Gardner wrote: I guess I'm kind of new here, but this thread is really starting to annoy me.  Users are what users are.  If they were highly knowlegable, most of us would be out of work.  They don't WANT to know the geeky stuff.  So what?  I don't

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 08:17:21 am Stevens wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 02:45, Rajko M. wrote: Stevens, Be careful calling the names and showing so little understanding how big is human kind knowledge. Doctor, lawyer, financial advisor, teller, car mechanic, electronic

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Sunday 23 December 2007 12:51, Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 17:27, Randall R Schulz wrote: No, it is the responsibility of the practitioners of IT to make its artifacts accessible and useable to people without the need for an understanding of the inner

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-12-23 at 16:26 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: The problem is (to use my automobile analogy again), we have users who can't even be bothered to learn the difference between the brake and accelerator pedals, and do the equivalent of

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 24 December 2007 05:54:30 pm Carlos E. R. wrote: If a plumber connects a hot water system wrong it can explode an destroy the computer downstairs as well as half the house. It seems that I'm missing something, but forgive me and let me now how that can happen. Boilers

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Robert Smits
On December 24, 2007 09:26:53 am Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 09:24, James Knott wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 09:11, James Knott wrote: ... Boilers requires a specific trade to install service, because when water heats, it

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Robert Smits
On December 24, 2007 03:54:30 pm Carlos E. R. wrote: The Monday 2007-12-24 at 12:11 -0500, James Knott wrote: If a plumber connects a hot water system wrong it can explode an destroy the computer downstairs as well as half the house. It seems that I'm missing something, but forgive me and

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-24 Thread Dave Plater
I just had a look at the suse factory repository and there is a version of beagle dated 24th maybe they got the message? Rajko M. wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 05:54:30 pm Carlos E. R. wrote: If a plumber connects a hot water system wrong it can explode an destroy the computer

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 12:29:33 PM -0500, Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Most computer users' behavior is equivalent to drivers who are not yet qualified to have a license...they need constant supervision. Why? Because they *REFUSE* to learn even basic principles of effective

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Stevens
On Saturday 22 December 2007 13:42, Rajko M. wrote: None up to now told what version of SUSE is used. I did. Hey, over here. I did. (hand waving frantically) Didn't seem to make any difference, though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Stevens
On Saturday 22 December 2007 17:27, Randall R Schulz wrote: No, it is the responsibility of the practitioners of IT to make its artifacts accessible and useable to people without the need for an understanding of the inner workings of those technologies. Randall Schulz Ahhh, the Holy Grail

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 23 December 2007 12:51, Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 17:27, Randall R Schulz wrote: No, it is the responsibility of the practitioners of IT to make its artifacts accessible and useable to people without the need for an understanding of the inner workings of those

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 21:57 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Stevens wrote: Today Kevin Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I'm reading right now, I'm presuming either you have no documents, or they are all on your

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 10:30 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 23 December 2007 15:49, Kevin Dupuy wrote: ... 90% of computer users are idiots, Which includes those who will not trim quoted material when replying to email... and that's not going to change since these people don't want to take the time to sit down and organize their stuff.

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Terry Eck
Kai Ponte wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 09:13, Anders Johansson wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior.

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Kai Ponte
On Sunday 23 December 2007 15:49, Kevin Dupuy wrote: snip Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. 90% of computer users are idiots, Hey! I resemble that remark... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Rajko M.
On Saturday 22 December 2007 11:17:50 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I have seen that, and as guy was decision maker in my case I left him alone. It was easy to show respect and point better way, but some people take that as a insult, not help. They look at help as an attempt to make them feel

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-23 Thread Stevens
On Sunday 23 December 2007 18:11, Terry Eck wrote: From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary: idiot, 1: a person afflicted with idiocy; esp: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete custodial care. I think you mean an ignorant person. Nope.

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Bryen wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 02:03 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-12-20 at 14:31 -0600, Bryen wrote: Unless of course that solution destroys the performance on the target system. I am the one who started this thread, and as

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Kevin Dupuy wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Stevens wrote: Today Kevin Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I'm reading right now, I'm presuming either you have no documents, or they are all on your desktop. If you actually did work, you would love Beagle. I

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And most people don't name their files orderly, and put them in

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Philipp Thomas
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:57:50 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. By fully quoting the mail just to add that comment you're joining the club. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Stevens
On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has the same goals in life as you, and also that different

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Anders Johansson
On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to make your case. You have to understand that not everyone has

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Kai Ponte
On Saturday 22 December 2007 09:13, Anders Johansson wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 18:06:37 Stevens wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2007 10:30, Rajko M. wrote: Catering to idiots only encourages them to continue their idiotic behavior. Insulting 90% of people doesn't help to

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Gary Baribault wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote: Notwithstanding the fact that Beagle created performance issues on your system, have you considered converting from MBox to Maildir format for your mail? This will increase performance both in terms

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2007 08:57:50 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote: Kevin Dupuy wrote: OK, here's the issue: you're not most people. I'm not most people. All of us subscribed to this mailing list are probably not most people. And most people don't name their files orderly, and

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Friday 21 December 2007 10:28:01 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes resources far

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Aaron Kulkis
Rajko M. wrote: On Friday 21 December 2007 10:28:01 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: I just don't understand why it works so bad on such a good computer and an average data load. Simple, Gary. It's poorly designed and/or written, because it's behavior while executing is very careless, and consumes

Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-22 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-12-21 at 11:31 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: mailbox format is not really accessible through mozilla APIs). This is one reason the thunderbird backend is packaged separately, so a quick thing for Gary to try is to rpm -e

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