Op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 22:52, schreef Alberto Passalacqua:
> * main-menu Hangs
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240727
This bug number is incorrect. What is the right one?
> * Banshee doesn't recognize ipod
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2
Il giorno ven, 02/03/2007 alle 23.05 +0100, Richard Bos ha scritto:
> Op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 22:52, schreef Alberto Passalacqua:
> > * main-menu Hangs
> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240727
>
> This bug number is incorrect. What is the right one?
I'm sorry. I paste
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:52:25PM +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> After quite a long time, I decided to do some considerations on the
> status of OpenSUSE as a community and as a distribution, starting from
> everyday experience.
>
> I'll start from some bug reports, which affects me directly
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 11:14:27PM +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 02/03/2007 alle 23.05 +0100, Richard Bos ha scritto:
> > Op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 22:52, schreef Alberto Passalacqua:
> > > * main-menu Hangs
> > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240727
>
Il giorno ven, 02/03/2007 alle 23.15 +0100, Marcus Meissner ha scritto:
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:52:25PM +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> > After quite a long time, I decided to do some considerations on the
> > status of OpenSUSE as a community and as a distribution, starting from
> > every
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 22:52 +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> After quite a long time, I decided to do some considerations on the
> status of OpenSUSE as a community and as a distribution, starting from
> everyday experience.
>
> I'll start from some bug reports, which affects me directly and wh
Marcus Meissner wrote:
>
> It just helps to be insistent. And if there is no reaction, just bring
> it up on this list.
>
Personally, I have found that defects that I report on bugzilla tend to
disappear into the void and are never acted on and sometimes with little
to no response.
I hardly exp
Il giorno ven, 02/03/2007 alle 18.26 -0500, JP Rosevear ha scritto:
> So, to be frank about this, the development group that includes GNOME
> work has not been very focused on openSUSE in the past, however we've
> been making a concerted effort to change this for 10.3. In the next
> couple of days
On Friday 02 March 2007 22:15:26 Marcus Meissner wrote:
> The problem in general is that our GNOME developers work more on
> the enterprise desktop , while the KDE guys work more on the openSUSE
> snapshots, for above reasons.
Perhaps this is a complaint, then (like a few others we get around), th
On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:12:15 Ted Bullock wrote:
> For instance I currently see the following:
> 251 Open bugs for 10.0
> 683 Open bugs for 10.1
> 1224 Open bugs for 10.2
Wow, that is quite a few more than I thought.
> Surely the combined effort between the developers and community over the
Francis Giannaros wrote:
On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:12:15 Ted Bullock wrote:
For instance I currently see the following:
251 Open bugs for 10.0
683 Open bugs for 10.1
1224 Open bugs for 10.2
Wow, that is quite a few more than I thought.
don't forget many bugs are duplicates, many others a
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 08:28:56AM +, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 22:15:26 Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > The problem in general is that our GNOME developers work more on
> > the enterprise desktop , while the KDE guys work more on the openSUSE
> > snapshots, for above reason
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 08:31:34AM +, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:12:15 Ted Bullock wrote:
> > For instance I currently see the following:
> > 251 Open bugs for 10.0
> > 683 Open bugs for 10.1
> > 1224 Open bugs for 10.2
>
> Wow, that is quite a few more than I thou
On Saturday 03 March 2007 09:17:46 jdd wrote:
> Francis Giannaros wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:12:15 Ted Bullock wrote:
> >> For instance I currently see the following:
> >> 251 Open bugs for 10.0
> >> 683 Open bugs for 10.1
> >> 1224 Open bugs for 10.2
> >
> > Wow, that is quite a few m
> Perhaps this is a complaint, then (like a few others we get around), that not
> enough time is left for openSUSE GNOME?
Watch this space.
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On 3/3/07, Ted Bullock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Other bugs report the same problem, also with no conclusion
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=130098
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=159186
Maybe a post release bug cleanup activity could help here and in similar
instances?
Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > Il giorno ven, 02/03/2007 alle 23.05 +0100, Richard Bos ha scritto:
> > > Op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 22:52, schreef Alberto Passalacqua:
> > > > * main-menu Hangs
> > > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240727
> > >
> > > This bug number is incorrect. What is th
> I think that the Mozilla lightning/calendar project has the right idea
> with scheduled community/developer test days.
> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2007/03/branch_sunbird_and_google_cale.html
>
> Thoughts?
Not sure. A single bug day is more a formal than a productive action in
my
Il giorno sab, 03/03/2007 alle 12.29 +0100, Christian Jäger ha scritto:
> Bug 231256 - Zen-updater's repositories are lost after boot
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=231256
>
It seems an old bug of 10.1 (fixed) which came back randomly in 10.2. I
personally never had this problem ti
On Saturday 03 March 2007 12:20:35 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> Not sure. A single bug day is more a formal than a productive action in
> my opinion. It might work for single applications, but for a big
> distribution as SUSE it risks not to produce the desired results.
Mozilla, KDE, and Ubuntu (t
On Saturday 03 March 2007 03:22, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 08:31:34AM +, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:12:15 Ted Bullock wrote:
> > > For instance I currently see the following:
> > > 251 Open bugs for 10.0
> > > 683 Open bugs for 10.1
> > > 12
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Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
>> I think that the Mozilla lightning/calendar project has the right idea
>> with scheduled community/developer test days.
>> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2007/03/branch_sunbird_and_google_cale.html
>>
>> Thoughts?
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Rajko M. schreef:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 03:22, Marcus Meissner wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 08:31:34AM +, Francis Giannaros wrote:
>>> On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:12:15 Ted Bullock wrote:
For instance I currently see the followin
Il giorno sab, 03/03/2007 alle 12.43 +, Francis Giannaros ha
scritto:
> And, really, regardless of what you suggest, bug triaging days/weekends have
> _proven_ to be productive. Hundreds of bugs get closed, dealt with,
> addressed, and you get an in-general better cleanup. This makes it easi
On Saturday 03 March 2007 09:02, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> I'm a bit critical about the _one_day_ bug testing because I think it's
> too short to examine the bugs of something complex like a distribution.
...
> I personally prefer shorter meetings in multiple days than 24 hours
> meeting where
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Rajko M. schreef:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 09:02, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
>
>> I'm a bit critical about the _one_day_ bug testing because I think it's
>> too short to examine the bugs of something complex like a distribution.
> ...
>> I person
Rajko M. wrote:
While IRC meetings are cooncentrated they exclude all people that are not in
right time zone. With present number of active users that is not good.
I would prefer one thread on this list that will announce start of triage and
than separate threads for each bug.
yes. and nobod
is there a way to tag some bug "to be tested by the users" (I don't
know how to name the community excluding the Novell devs), so anybody
could go in bugzilla and try himself, without being necessary to have
a special day or week :-)
I just browse part of the bug list. many bugs seems quite si
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jdd schreef:
> is there a way to tag some bug "to be tested by the users" (I don't know
> how to name the community excluding the Novell devs), so anybody could
> go in bugzilla and try himself, without being necessary to have a
> special day or week
On Saturday 03 March 2007 09:29, jdd wrote:
> Rajko M. wrote:
> > While IRC meetings are cooncentrated they exclude all people that are not
> > in right time zone. With present number of active users that is not good.
> > I would prefer one thread on this list that will announce start of triage
> >
On Saturday 03 March 2007 15:22:21 Rajko M. wrote:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 09:02, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> > I'm a bit critical about the _one_day_ bug testing because I think it's
> > too short to examine the bugs of something complex like a distribution.
>
> ...
>
> > I personally prefer
Francis Giannaros wrote:
Like I said though anyway, this is a tried, tested and proven method: many
other projects have these, and they work tremendously well.
I think we agree on the fact, just discussing the how (personally I
don't like IRC)
jdd
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On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:59, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> That's an argument against a meeting _time_, but not really against a
> meeting day. If it's a bug triage weekend (or any given couple of days),
> then different people can be on at different times. And particularly on a
> weekend, people
Il giorno sab, 03/03/2007 alle 12.31 -0600, Rajko M. ha scritto:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:59, Francis Giannaros wrote:
>
> > That's an argument against a meeting _time_, but not really against a
> > meeting day. If it's a bug triage weekend (or any given couple of days),
> > then different p
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jdd schreef:
> Francis Giannaros wrote:
>
>> Like I said though anyway, this is a tried, tested and proven method:
>> many other projects have these, and they work tremendously well.
>
> I think we agree on the fact, just discussing the how (personal
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 15:22:21 Rajko M. wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 March 2007 09:02, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> > > I'm a bit critical about the _one_day_ bug testing because I think it's
> > > too short to examine the bugs of something complex li
On Saturday 03 March 2007 12:39, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> Il giorno sab, 03/03/2007 alle 12.31 -0600, Rajko M. ha scritto:
> > On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:59, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> > > That's an argument against a meeting _time_, but not really against a
> > > meeting day. If it's a bug t
M9. wrote:
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jdd schreef:
Francis Giannaros wrote:
Like I said though anyway, this is a tried, tested and proven method:
many other projects have these, and they work tremendously well.
I think we agree on the fact, just discussing the how (perso
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The Friday 2007-03-02 at 23:15 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:52:25PM +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
...
> > Both DE should be considered as alternatives, not as rivals. I do myself
> > this mistake, I know. But it's
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The Saturday 2007-03-03 at 13:05 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> Well, both is an extension, just one is fine for fast responses, and the
> other
> allows more asynchronous work that will group more people that might be not
> familiar with bugzilla and/o
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The Saturday 2007-03-03 at 15:22 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> The solution for a better GNOME on SUSE is probably rather:
> - make the GNOME devs @Novell use openSUSE 10.2 or 10.3 alpha etc...
> - put more manpower into packaging/fixing GNOME on ope
On Sunday 04 March 2007 16:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> ...
>
> Frankly, I would prefer bugs being solved rather than adding new
> features. As it is now, things are expected to be solved on the next
> suse release... which adds new bugs, so we never are "finished", not
> even nearly so.
The only sof
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Saturday 2007-03-03 at 13:05 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
Well, both is an extension, just one is fine for fast responses, and the other
allows more asynchronous work that will group more people that might be not
familiar with b
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Friday 2007-03-02 at 23:15 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:52:25PM +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
...
Both DE should be considered as alternatives, not as rivals. I do myself
this mistake, I
On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:31, Sid Boyce wrote:
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> >> Well, both is an extension, just one is fine for fast responses, and the
> >> other allows more asynchrono
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>> jdd schreef:
>>> Francis Giannaros wrote:
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Like I said though anyway, this is a tried, tested and proven method:
many other projects have these, an
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The Sunday 2007-03-04 at 18:13 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Sunday 04 March 2007 16:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > Frankly, I would prefer bugs being solved rather than adding new
> > features. As it is now, things are expected to be
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 04:05 -, Sid Boyce wrote:
> > So, please, keep the good work done with KDE, but also do not forget Gnome
> > and try to make it be buggless. Even if it is not "shiny", we would very
> > much like it to at least work, with
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The Sunday 2007-03-04 at 22:21 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> After all posts about IRC, I decided to make a list of my reasons:
...
> There was a comment that email will be essentially repeating what is done on
> bugzilla.
>
> Yes, it will be, but us
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Carlos E. R. schreef:
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> The Sunday 2007-03-04 at 18:13 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 04 March 2007 16:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Frankly, I would prefer bugs being solved rather than adding new
>>> features. As it is no
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jdd schreef:
> M9. wrote:
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>> You mean like skype or ekiga?
>
> not even... in Frances adsl is given through "boxes" (the older is
> "freebox", and phone with this is IP phone, free to many countries
> (fixed phones)
>
> jdd
>
>
Yes, IP-phone,
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 12:30 +0100, M9. wrote:
> Not that it matters, but yes i agree to the opinion: Never postpone
> untill tomorrow, what you can get done by someone else today...
>
> Who's stopping who from solving bugs?
Pressure for new feat
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Carlos E. R. schreef:
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> The Monday 2007-03-05 at 12:30 +0100, M9. wrote:
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>> Not that it matters, but yes i agree to the opinion: Never postpone
>> untill tomorrow, what you can get done by someone else today...
>
>> Who's stopping who from solvin
Il giorno lun, 05/03/2007 alle 04.05 +, Sid Boyce ha scritto:
> The use of KDE was the main reason I was attracted away from Redhat and
> that gawd awful CDE that graces Sun to this day. The main reason I'd be
> driven away from openSUSE would be the jettisoning of KDE - assurances
> have b
Il giorno sab, 03/03/2007 alle 13.05 -0600, Rajko M. ha scritto:
> Well, both is an extension, just one is fine for fast responses, and the
> other
> allows more asynchronous work that will group more people that might be not
> familiar with bugzilla and/or IRC, can't attend at the times that a
Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
In my opinion with multiple communication channels we risk to have a lot
of duplicates and a significant loss in time/efficiency. For example
different groups working on the same problem on IRC, on ML, by mail...
no.
we should have only one channel for bug assignati
On Monday 05 March 2007 03:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Sunday 2007-03-04 at 18:13 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Sunday 04 March 2007 16:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Frankly, I would prefer bugs being solved rather than adding new
> > > features. As it is now, things are e
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 07:03 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > > next suse release... which adds new bugs, so we never are
> > > > "finished", not even nearly so.
> > >
> > > The only software that's finished is software that's dead. No one's
>
Hello all,
I read the last 89 entries at one sitting and I have formulated an opinion
that I have sort of posted b4.
I think a radicle change to release theory should be entertained.
I think that since 10.2 was a December release we had the opportunity to
change to an annual release cycle. With
James Tremblay wrote:
change to an annual release cycle.
notice that Mandriva went back to a 6month release cycle...
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Il giorno lun, 05/03/2007 alle 10.51 -0500, James Tremblay ha scritto:
> Hello all,
> I read the last 89 entries at one sitting and I have formulated an opinion
> that I have sort of posted b4.
>
> I think a radicle change to release theory should be entertained.
> I think that since 10.2 was a D
Den Monday 05 March 2007 14:49:15 skrev Alberto Passalacqua:
> Many (if not all) users use a mixture of GNOME and KDE apps. So, don't
> worry :-)
Stop giving GNOME credit for Firefox, GIMP, Azureus, Xchat, Thunderbird etc.
People use GTK-apps, noone uses true GNOME apps.
Carlos,
On Monday 05 March 2007 07:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Monday 2007-03-05 at 07:03 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > > > next suse release... which adds new bugs, so we never are
> > > > > "finished", not even nearly so.
> > > >
> > > > The only software that's finished is software tha
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 09:09 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > You know, programming is the only profession where errors are called
> > bugs and accepted as normal. So a bridge collapsing is normal, too?
>
> The simple fact of the matter is that
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 17:32 +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:
> People use GTK-apps, noone uses true GNOME apps.
Are you sure? I use a Gnome desktop.
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On Monday 05 March 2007 10:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> ...
>
> There are some companies around producing bugless code. They spend
> like two years designing, and only about 6 month coding. It is indeed
> possible. Of course, they charge a lot for that class of code.
I don't believe them. Unless the
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Rajko M. wrote:
> On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:31, Sid Boyce wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]
>>> I agree with you and jdd: I just have never used IRC and I don't like it.
>>> I'm biased because till recently I did not have a permanent network
>>> con
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 23:27 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> Wrong. That's extremely efficient at getting serious work done because
> it's interactive and you don't have to wait a day before getting a reply
> as with emails. You can get it immediatel
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The Monday 2007-03-05 at 11:35 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Monday 05 March 2007 10:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > There are some companies around producing bugless code. They spend
> > like two years designing, and only about 6 month
On Monday 05 March 2007 05:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> An alternative, would be a private news server (with auth). Novell site
> has one, if I remember correctly.
Yes.
It is news://support-forums.novell.com
for instance, group
news://support-forums.novell.com/opensuse.org.suse-linux.support.develo
On Monday 05 March 2007 16:27, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> Rajko M. wrote:
...
> > After all posts about IRC, I decided to make a list of my reasons:
> > - One has to pick up pieces of conversation that belong to him in a mess
> > on the screen which takes attention from the content. This is good suited
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