Re: Fwd: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora

2011-02-02 Thread Manu Gupta
I really like upgrade.opensuse.org, we can request this at opensuse-web ML Regards Manu On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 19:28 -0800, Tony Su wrote: > Whoever the ListAdmin is, it should be an easy fix to fix this > mis-configuration where the default recipient for a "Reply" is the > original sender and no

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread jdd
Le 03/02/2011 00:34, Alan Clark a écrit : > I agree that the URL pointing to upgrade is long and ugly, but it is readable > and easily keyed into a browser. > +1 due to the functional purpose of the upgrade URL. don't you think we have to change not the flyer *but the web site* when the will b

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Rajko M.
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 03:44:00 pm Helen wrote: > At what point did the Marketing team and OBS representatives > have a round table and decide on the optimal branding for the build > service? Is there an IRC log on that? OBS is much older then marketing effort :) This thread is the first

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Rajko M.
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 08:32:45 pm Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card18C.png I created category "Marketing images": http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Marketing_images It is subcategory of Marketing and it should collect images. When collection grows too big, we ca

Re: [opensuse-marketing] SCALE SoCal Linux Expo --- Howdy - What's up? Anything I can do?

2011-02-02 Thread Bryen M. Yunashko
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 19:30 -0800, Tony Su wrote: > Cool! > > Have you gotten the word to the local Linux communities in San Diego > or do you need someone to do that? > > Tony > Please try not to top-post. it's considered bad form for a mailing list. :-) I have not reached out to anyone in S

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Bryen M. Yunashko
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 19:39 -0800, Tony Su wrote: > Just my recommendation, is there any way to beautify the URL by simply > changing from > > http://en.opensuse.org//SDB:System_upgrade > > to something like > > Upgrade-to-11.4-Now/opensuse.org > > In other words, it's a simple DNS entry plus p

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Su
Just my recommendation, is there any way to beautify the URL by simply changing from http://en.opensuse.org//SDB:System_upgrade to something like Upgrade-to-11.4-Now/opensuse.org In other words, it's a simple DNS entry plus possible webserver root modification or re-direct to put the whatever s

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Su
Just my recommendation, is there any way to beautify the URL by simply changing from http://en.opensuse.org//SDB:System_upgrade to something like Upgrade-to-11.4-Now/opensuse.org In other words, it's a simple DNS entry plus possible webserver root modification or re-direct to put the whatever s

Fwd: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Su
Whoever the ListAdmin is, it should be an easy fix to fix this mis-configuration where the default recipient for a "Reply" is the original sender and not the List daemon. So, resending this message to the List... Tony -- Forwarded message -- From: Tony Su Date: Wed, Feb 2, 2011

Re: [opensuse-marketing] SCALE SoCal Linux Expo --- Howdy - What's up? Anything I can do?

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Su
Cool! Have you gotten the word to the local Linux communities in San Diego or do you need someone to do that? Tony On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 14:45 -0800, Tony Su wrote: >> >> From San Diego, >> Tony > > San Diego!   Hmm...  You know...  I h

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Ricardo Chung
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 09:32:45 PM Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > People, > > > I think I can help Bryen to justify paying for stickers, see the new > template, little different but keeping the approved design with the > upgrade url > > http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card18C.png > > Em Qui, 2011

Re: [opensuse-marketing] strange feeling

2011-02-02 Thread Ricardo Chung
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 07:34:56 PM Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 23:17:29 Stuart Tanner wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 Feb 2011 22:04:41 jdd wrote: > > > did somebody do a wish that get fullfilled? did Santa Claus or St > > > Niclos drop something in our fireplace? > >

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Carlos Ribeiro
People, I think I can help Bryen to justify paying for stickers, see the new template, little different but keeping the approved design with the upgrade url http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card18C.png Em Qui, 2011-02-03 às 01:34 +0100, Jos Poortvliet escreveu: > On Thursday 03 February 2011 01:2

Re: [opensuse-marketing] SCALE SoCal Linux Expo --- Howdy - What's up? Anything I can do?

2011-02-02 Thread Bryen M. Yunashko
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 14:45 -0800, Tony Su wrote: > > From San Diego, > Tony San Diego! Hmm... You know... I have a feeling you would make for a great organizer for the 11.4 Launch Party in San Diego around March 10. I'll be in San Diego during that week and possibly one other person on our

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Fwd: flyer

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Tuesday 01 February 2011 08:20:51 jdd wrote: > Le 01/02/2011 01:40, Carlos Ribeiro a écrit : > > You can see files here > > http://lh5.ggpht.com/_VHXcnKwu3gs/TUdTl4eWH0I/EOE/KNL7LeYhpDI/s72 > > 0/FlyerCR.jpg > > http://lh3.ggpht.com/_VHXcnKwu3gs/TUdTt3gwZLI/EOI/Zpkfk1OvdrY/s7 > >

Re: [opensuse-marketing] strange feeling

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 23:17:29 Stuart Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 02 Feb 2011 22:04:41 jdd wrote: > > did somebody do a wish that get fullfilled? did Santa Claus or St > > Niclos drop something in our fireplace? > > > > I get the feeling openSUSE in becoming a hive, maturing as if spring

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Thursday 03 February 2011 01:20:48 Stuart Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 02 Feb 2011 23:34:00 Alan Clark wrote: > > >>> On 2/2/2011 at 02:56 PM, in message > > > > <201102022256.43382.jospoortvl...@gmail.com>, Jos Poortvliet > > > > wrote: > > > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:17:58 Bryen M. Y

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:57:02 Adrian Schröter wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: > > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > I personally don't see

[opensuse-marketing] talking points in one page

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
Hi all, I have created a 1-page version of our talking points from http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Talking_points This will be added to our ambassador kit. Suggestions for improvements are welcome, please be sure to also add them to the wiki! The doc can be found on the wiki too: http://en.ope

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Stuart Tanner
On Wednesday 02 Feb 2011 23:34:00 Alan Clark wrote: > >>> On 2/2/2011 at 02:56 PM, in message > > <201102022256.43382.jospoortvl...@gmail.com>, Jos Poortvliet > > wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:17:58 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > >> A couple of weeks ago, I made plans to personally ord

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Alan Clark
>>> On 2/2/2011 at 02:56 PM, in message <201102022256.43382.jospoortvl...@gmail.com>, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:17:58 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: >> A couple of weeks ago, I made plans to personally order some stickers to >> attach to our Promo DVDs at the upcoming S

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:17:58 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > A couple of weeks ago, I made plans to personally order some stickers to > attach to our Promo DVDs at the upcoming SCALE conference in Los > Angeles. The event is 2 weeks prior to the release of 11.4. > > The focus of the sticker

Re: [opensuse-marketing] strange feeling

2011-02-02 Thread Stuart Tanner
On Wednesday 02 Feb 2011 22:04:41 jdd wrote: > did somebody do a wish that get fullfilled? did Santa Claus or St > Niclos drop something in our fireplace? > > I get the feeling openSUSE in becoming a hive, maturing as if spring > is coming early? > > I see a lot of things growing like never did!!

[opensuse-marketing] strange feeling

2011-02-02 Thread jdd
did somebody do a wish that get fullfilled? did Santa Claus or St Niclos drop something in our fireplace? I get the feeling openSUSE in becoming a hive, maturing as if spring is coming early? I see a lot of things growing like never did!! great. thanks all!! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Greg Freemyer
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > >> This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some >> marketing discussions.  I strongly believe we need to change the name >> openSUSE Build Service to Op

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Adrian Schröter
Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet > > wrote: > > > I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue > > > with > > > it is that people c

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Richard Bos
At woensdag 02 februari 2011 22:20:00 wrote Nelson Marques: > > I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue with > > it is that people clearly assume the "openSUSE Build Service" is there to > > "Build openSUSE Software". > > If people see it that way, maybe it's marketing f

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Helen
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Nelson Marques wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet > wrote: >> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques >> wrote: > > If people see it that way, maybe it's marketing failu

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Frank Karlitschek
On 02.02.2011, at 22:22, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:21:59 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: >> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote: >>> On a related note, I was under the impression that Bretzn was being >>> renamed to 'AppInstaller' though perhaps I've got the "wr

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > Maybe before we can be attractive to developers we have to be > attractive to end users, so that they ditch their distribution > repositories and use ours (which isn't supported

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue with > > it is that people clearly assume the "openSUSE Build Service" is there > > to "Build openSUSE Softwa

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:21:59 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote: > > On a related note, I was under the impression that Bretzn was being > > renamed to 'AppInstaller' though perhaps I've got the "wrong end of > > the stick" as the saying goes. > > M

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some > marketing discussions. I strongly believe we need to change the name > openSUSE Build Service to Open Build Service because from a marketing > perspective it is

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:27:35 Greg Freemyer wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet > wrote: > > >> That reads as if you assume OBS is not successful. I feel the opposite. > > > > Indeed. It is popular but could be more so ;-) > > > > BTW we also need to do more in th

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Nelson Marques
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques > wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen > wrote: >> >> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OB

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread jdd
Le 02/02/2011 21:10, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit : > We're really starting to build up on the fact that "openSUSE" is not a > distribution but a Project, and that you can participate and benefit > from the Project without even using the distro. Great!! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzan

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Greg Freemyer
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: >> That reads as if you assume OBS is not successful.  I feel the opposite. > > Indeed. It is popular but could be more so ;-) > > BTW we also need to do more in the area of USING those huge numbers. For > marketing but also community building

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Bryen M. Yunashko
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote: > On a related note, I was under the impression that Bretzn was being > renamed to 'AppInstaller' though perhaps I've got the "wrong end of > the stick" as the saying goes. Maybe we should come up with something that conforms with our "open" identit

Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora

2011-02-02 Thread Kim Leyendecker
Am 02.02.2011 08:36, schrieb jdd: hardware support is mostly kernel, so yes this part is probably shared. But hardware setup is not. and there we are not always first (mandriva find always my printer, openSUSE never, and it's simply a network HP laser, pretty common) for example the openSUSE pa

[opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs

2011-02-02 Thread Bryen M. Yunashko
A couple of weeks ago, I made plans to personally order some stickers to attach to our Promo DVDs at the upcoming SCALE conference in Los Angeles. The event is 2 weeks prior to the release of 11.4. The focus of the sticker was clearly to provide an upgrade path for receivers of the promo DVD at S

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Bryen M. Yunashko
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote: > I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has > openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its > use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong > implication for users that it is only for o

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 20:35:24 jdd wrote: > Le 02/02/2011 19:50, Greg Freemyer a écrit : > > Are you suggesting openSUSE start advertizing 115,652 packages, in > > 28,949 repositories on the openSUSE Build Service! > > YESSS > > having *one* line in the opensuse.org screen

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen wrote: > >> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has > >> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread jdd
Le 02/02/2011 19:50, Greg Freemyer a écrit : > Are you suggesting openSUSE start advertizing 115,652 packages, in > 28,949 repositories on the openSUSE Build Service! YESSS having *one* line in the opensuse.org screen with "today xxx packages in OBS" would be really great

[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Greg Freemyer
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen wrote: >> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has >> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its >> use becomes more popular, but I agree that ther

[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Nelson Marques
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen wrote: > I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has > openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its > use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong > implication for users that it is only for ope

Re: [opensuse-marketing] 11.4 disc timeline?

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 12 January 2011 12:02:32 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2011 21:09:07 Helen wrote: > > James, did you get a reply to this query? > > > > AFAIK 11.4 is on schedule for March release so you should be able to > > access media by mid April for sure. (though I haven't closel

Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 10:25:48 jdd wrote: > Le 02/02/2011 10:18, Jos Poortvliet a écrit : > > Look, I'm not saying I'm right. As I said, it's how I feel, after having > > distro-hopped like anyone. But if you have specific examples and area's > > where openSUSE is clearly better, I love to

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Fwd: flyer

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 12:24:09 Stuart Tanner wrote: > On Tuesday 01 Feb 2011 21:45:32 jdd wrote: > > Le 01/02/2011 21:15, Carlos Ribeiro a écrit : > > > "what's cool "inside and around" openSUSE" > > > > why not :-) > > > > but we need also a flyer with the inside points (the overall asp

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Fwd: flyer

2011-02-02 Thread Stuart Tanner
On Tuesday 01 Feb 2011 21:45:32 jdd wrote: > Le 01/02/2011 21:15, Carlos Ribeiro a écrit : > > "what's cool "inside and around" openSUSE" > > why not :-) > > but we need also a flyer with the inside points (the overall aspect is > very nice) > > jdd I aggree - a flyer that lists more inside th

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project Naming in General

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 08:29:22 jdd wrote: > Le 02/02/2011 05:22, Helen a écrit : > > Anyway, I know we have more pressing matters right now with 11.4 on > > the way, but I just wanted to share those thoughts! > > I was very pleased to read this... thanks > > jdd Same here. Helen, you're

Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora

2011-02-02 Thread jdd
Le 02/02/2011 10:18, Jos Poortvliet a écrit : > Look, I'm not saying I'm right. As I said, it's how I feel, after having > distro-hopped like anyone. But if you have specific examples and area's where > openSUSE is clearly better, I love to see it, and you can count on me telling > others about

Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 08:36:55 jdd wrote: > Le 02/02/2011 00:46, Jos Poortvliet a écrit : > > I wanted to point out things which are unique to openSUSE. Frankly, I > > don't believe there are huge differences in ease of use, administration > > capabilities and hardware support between the m

Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name

2011-02-02 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 04:46:15 Helen wrote: > I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has > openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its > use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong > implication for users that it is only f