RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Ken Schaefer
And we’ll pay him $195K/year. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 4:11 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU this is pretty fun

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Tony Wright
. If only I had a choice... David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> > wrote: Here’s a good

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread anthonyatsmallbiz
f the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy wrote: Here’s a good read from today : http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html Hopefully that will help some folks see past the one tree and start looking at the forest.

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
Is anyone else just a little bit curious to see Clive Palmer in Parliament House or is that just me.. I mean the comedic value alone is worth it On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, wrote: > Well said…I believe Julian Assange would get my vote..i see honesty in > him…mmm..that could bring a change!*

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Joseph Cooney
I like the 'compile for all' idea. I guess you can do that with portable class librariesa bit. But it could be much much much better than that. Step 1. - > buy MONOnot the product, the company Step 2. -> Buy/build something that lets you suck in an iOS project or Android project, convert i

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
Unity3d does just that today its scary how close they are from achieving the actual true cross platform write once use everywhere approach .. And it uses mono in the way u describe! :) When I say close I mean their 2d GUI isn't as ready as it could be but NoesisGUI framework has also found a way

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Tony Wright
Oh I thought the only people ridiculous enough to vote for him were Queenslanders. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited Is anyone else just

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread David Connors
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > Unity3d does just that today its scary how close they are from achieving > the actual true cross platform write once use everywhere approach .. And it > uses mono in the way u describe! :) Seen their actual deployment figures? 100 Unity-bas

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread David Connors
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Joseph Cooney wrote: > I like the 'compile for all' idea. I guess you can do that with portable > class librariesa bit. But it could be much much much better than that. > > Step 1. - > buy MONOnot the product, the company > Step 2. -> Buy/build something th

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Evrat
Any pro-business force in parliament can only be good for the country. If business isn't doing well we can't afford anything else .. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 7:52 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subje

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
I had not known that stat but based on their other stats it doesn't surprise me .. Until now Flash has been a strong force in the casual gaming scene but since adobe announced its discontinuing work on this it will probably create more share for unity Good news for us C# code poets is that there

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
I had not known that stat but based on their other stats it doesn't surprise me .. Until now Flash has been a strong force in the casual gaming scene but since adobe announced its discontinuing work on this it will probably create more share for unity Good news for us C# code poets is that there

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread David Connors
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Scott Barnes wrote: > I had not known that stat but based on their other stats it doesn't > surprise me .. > > Until now Flash has been a strong force in the casual gaming scene but > since adobe announced its discontinuing work on this it will probably > create mo

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Andrew McGrath
My understanding is that Unity3D doesn't let you produce a web client. So we built our own to do web & native from the one codebase. Tried to talk to Xamarin about licensing just their compiler to integrate into the web-based IDE we have built, but they stopped talking about having an OEM agreem

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Ken Schaefer
There are multiple ways to cook an egg. Clive's policy platform isn't necessarily the best one. Pro "free market" (as opposed to "pro-business) is what's generally best for consumers (even though it's not good for an individual business), whereas business people tend to become "rent seekers" lo

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
You can produce a web client as in their Unity Player for the web which has around 220million+ installs which is about 50% of Silverlight had in version 3.0 peak data (after we of course inflated the numbers by enticing China to install Silverlight on internet cafe computers blah blah). Basically t

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
He won't get the numbers and this morning I was in a cafe eating breakfast and saw him on Sunrise talking about how he's going to take Murdoch to court for slander.. and even still I sit there thinking "this guy has to be given a seat in the senate ...if only to make question time more energetic to

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Nathan Chere
What, you mean the fat rich pricks we've already got aren't fat, rich or prickly enough? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 10:07 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited He won't get the n

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
Maybe but see attached :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Nathan Chere wrote: > What, you mean the fat rich pricks we’ve already got aren’t fat, rich or > prickly enough? > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdot

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread mike smith
t; > > People on this list will tend to be looking at it from a technical point > of view. I doubt any of this has any meaning to the population in general. > > > > > If the NBN was available in my area, I'd get it. For cable, my only > option n

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Evrat
True, Clive and his policies in total are a bit over the top but he knows he's not going to be PM, it will be a long time before there is other than a Lib or Labor PM, but there are too many balls and chains around business and economic progress at the moment and having a slightly over the top p

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread mike smith
It'd be "pro my business, and damn any others!" On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Paul Evrat wrote: > Any pro-business force in parliament can only be good for the country. If > business isn’t doing well we can’t afford anything else .. > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ma

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread mike smith
I call that model "write once, debug everywhere" On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Joseph Cooney wrote: > I like the 'compile for all' idea. I guess you can do that with portable > class librariesa bit. But it could be much much much better than that. > > Step 1. - > buy MONOnot the produ

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Joseph Cooney
Re: taking Murdoch to court..."never quarrel with a man who buys ink by the barrel." On 5 Sep 2013 10:07, "Scott Barnes" wrote: > He won't get the numbers and this morning I was in a cafe eating breakfast > and saw him on Sunrise talking about how he's going to take Murdoch to > court for slander

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
but.. never quarrel with the man who eats ink by the barrel wait.. :D --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Joseph Cooney wrote: > Re: taking Murdoch to court..."never quarrel with a man who buys ink by > the barrel." > On 5 Sep 2013 10:07, "Sco

Re: [OT] FixWPF err.. FixUXPlat?

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
agreed it does beat "write once IF conditionX == conditionY THEN debug here ELSE IF X!=Z debug here .. 200 IF/ELSE statements later... debug everywhere" :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:31 AM, mike smith wrote: > I call that model "write once

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Ken Schaefer
I think you have a naïve view of what business lobbying is about then. Tax breaks or write-offs for "x", import restrictions on "y", government grants for "z" Free markets are best for consumers (and best for business as a whole). It just makes life hard for individual businesses, because it kee

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Tony Wright
. If only I had a choice... David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> > wrote: Here’s a good

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Evrat
Lobbyists are always going to keep themselves busy but that just counters the relentless lobbying by welfare groups for non-economy boosting government spending. Unless you’re the big 4 banks or Coles or Woolworths with monopolistic characteristics business is pretty tough even in good times.

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Ken Schaefer
Wouldn't you want some sort of lobbying against government outsourcing IT / coding to India etc? And that's what an economist (and I) call "rent seeking" - I'm asking the government to impose an implicit tax/penalty on everyone else (e.g. through paying higher prices) to make life better for my

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread mike smith
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > Wouldn’t you want some sort of lobbying against government outsourcing > IT / coding to India etc? > > ** ** > > And that’s what an economist (and I) call “rent seeking” – I’m asking the > government to impose an implicit tax/penalty on

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Ian Thomas
at bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy wrote: Here’s a good read from today : http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Evrat
Without doubt any elected official acting out their vested interests (no matter what) belongs behind bars, but we were talking about business lobbying, and I’m saying it’s not about making easy lives easier. There is a role for government (and rent seeking beneficiaries if you like) when A.

Re: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Scott Barnes
I dunno everyone these days thanks to Google are either Economists, Sociologists, Political Science Majors or Civil Engineers. It's hard at times to sift through the opinions mixed with fact to arrive at an accurate snapshot of what's actually likely to happen vs unlikely. Is Abbott a bad PM? He's

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

2013-09-04 Thread Ken Schaefer
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evrat Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 2:21 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited Without doubt any elected official acting out their vested interests (no matter what) belongs behind bars,