A scroll of mail from Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 2 May
2001 15:52:50 -0500
Read it? y
Pegasus is a pretty good e-mail client and it's free. Free
Agent should work pretty well as an e-mail client, as well as a
usenet newsreader and it's free too.
I used pegasus for years. It runs on
Thanks Paul,
Ya know this being my first entry and being new to the list I didnt realize
that the pictures were going to be commented on, I am truly grateful though
that
they are. You have given me a lot of things here that I never thought of.
1. I didnt do alot of editing to the pic, with
Well, as everybody have said, this month's pug is really good. My favourite pics
are:
Timo's picture of his little baby. I really liked it. The light is very gentle
and I like the tight framing too. Beauty pic, and for sure the pride of Daddy.
My month's favourite together with Robb' s one.
Please send the messages to me directly, to not disturb other members, thanks.
Also, I've not included 110 and digital cameras, just because I started this
way, and I didn't want to change in the middle of the way.
Also, if you already submited and want to add new items, please put clearly in
Where the exposure details aren't recorded, my guess is that
the person submitting doesn't know, or never knew. :-)
That person is desperately in need of either a 645n or an MZ-S.
-Aaron
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Ted Beilby wrote:
When I was taking Basic Photography in jr.college, I feared the days when we
had to critique. I soon came to learn that these were the days I learned the
most about my work. These critiques were not just, I like that one best.,
there were times when my shots were ripped
Ryan Brooks wrote:
Boy, that LX2000 kit is sure expensive. I calculate it at $4300US. Ouch!
I think the LX2000 kit includes a special version of the rather pricey
50mm f1.2, doesn't it?
Like Wheatfield, I think that the LX2000 is less pretty than the regular
LX, but if it were my only
Hello Todd,
Is there a way I can make a comparison between a
printed Kodak PC Polycontrast III paper and that of
Koyal Professional Paper for colour print? Now that
you mentioned it, the Kodak print I got do seem a
little different from the usual color prints I get. It
looks a little like a
Congratulations, Ryan, and welcome to this very addictive club!
Albano
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I'm very new to b/w photography, and I am captivated
by how b/w images seem to portray so much more than
color images. Perhaps the colors in a color photo are
too distracting for me. :) I used to swear by Velvia,
but now I think Tri-X is simply wonderful. I got a
couple of rolls of Plus-X, hoping
Hello fellow PDML'ers
Due to the traffic I once reduced my PDML life to www.pdml.net but
rejoined today just to thank all pug commentors who said warm words
about my Daniil shot.
btw, here http://www.spinaudio.com/alt/series2.html
are other portrait from this series with the same subject (if
Thanks for your comment, Fairy. Just for you to know carucha is Buenos Aires
slang (cames from cara=face) for something like ugly face or weird face or
funny face or similar. A bit hard to translate.
I liked your shot too, but as I said in my comment, I'm lazzy in commenting. If
you want to see
I just wanted to say that even though I am really really new
to photography... I love these pictures. To me they are all
so Beautiful.
Thanks to everyone who submitted, I honestly dont think I could
pick a favorite. They are all so GREAT!!!
Rebecca
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Hi ya'll,
I have a question about the June PUG.
Can it be any type of building, old or new?
Falling apart or not?
I live pretty close to an old Fort and I think that
I may get some pictures of it and see if any are
worth submitting.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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This is why God made PhotoShop! Ever had the urge to touch it up?
BTW, I see Lady MacBeth with longish (but not too long - 1 from cuticle)
somewhat pointed (classy, but not macabre) nails the color of venous blood.
Positioning of the hand (and index finger) would be critical as you say.
Hey, I
Thanks Dan, that's really flattering. I took a meter
out of the shadow side of Christ's statue using PZ1's
spot meter. The exposures where ranging around 1/30s
and 2s with the lens wide open at f/2.8. I shot an
entire roll with slight variations of the same view
trying to be as steady as possible
That's great lighting. So simple and yet so efficient.
Did you use a tungsteen bulb for that?
Herbet.
--- Alexey Tikhonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello fellow PDML'ers
Due to the traffic I once reduced my PDML life to
www.pdml.net but
rejoined today just to thank all pug commentors who
Jostein Oksne wrote:
I can't see that we really _need_ comments
to shake us up on every PUG.
We don't _need_ any comments on the PUG, but since we've decided to
initiate a somewhat formal procedure for them, those comments should
be honest and forthright. And, I suspect, there won't always
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
One of the things about photographers is that they're not always
their best editors. They often get emotionally involved with their
work which prevents them from seeing a poor photograph.
This is already well-established, a given in the print media.
Author or reporter,
Kelvin,
You might want to try (if available) the new Kodak
Portra 400BW. It's a c41 bw film designed to be
printed in color paper. It has a different grain
structure from TriX though. Here's the URL:
I think this is another example (like Jewel by Gianfranco Irlanda) that
you don't have to venture far to find good motifs. Not even for nature
photos.
Comment on technique:
I think you have chosen the best DOF for the situation. The rear eye is not
in focus, but as it is, the background is
One of my favourites this month. I like it for the colours in the flower and
for the good choice of DOF. It's exactly enough to embrace the flower, and
still shallow enough to soften the background.
It's unfair to be picky, but one little detail could have made this photo
even better, imo. If
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From: B. K. Lane Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 3, 2001 9:34 AM
Subject: June PUG
Hi ya'll,
I have a question about the June PUG.
Can it be any type of building, old or new?
Falling apart or not?
I live pretty close to an old Fort and
Well I use Eudora 3.0, what are they up to now, 6.0? Basically the newer
versions seem to offer me nothing I need. I like 3.0, simple, small, fast,
and doesn't understand crap like javascript, or try to second guess me like
LookOut!
Todd
At 11:54 AM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
Todd Stanley
I used to own the older Tamron 90/2.5 (old 49mm filter version; stolen
earlier this year) and replaced it with the Pentax M 85/2. My wife owns
the the Pentax M 100/2.8 (non-macro) which is essentially the same as the
A 100/2.8. I never handled the FA 100/3.5.
You ask about the application of
The Contax SLR databack lets you reserve the front two frames for
imprinting exposure data of the remaining frames--frame number, aperture,
shutter speed, ASA setting (I think), over/underexposure, and
day/date/time. The imprinting is made at the end of the rewind. Cool and
useful.
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On Thu, 3 May 2001 09:24:22 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan van Wijk's postcard picture. I liked it. What sharpness, man! It makes me
desire the FA 24 even more. What I would have done is to move slightly to the
left, to avoid the little bush to be in front of the truck (but may be then you
I forgot to write, I also own the matched Tamron converter for the 90/2.5.
Mine didn't work well: to low contrast. I suggest a cheap 200mm. Costs the
same as the converter and works way better for me. Joachim
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From:
Subject: My Pug Comments. Relax, I'm not Shel (g)
William Robb's pic of his niece. What a good lightning! This
is very subtle and
soft. I wish I had this kind of light at home, when I take
pics of my little
niece. I like the framing too, and is an
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From: Tanya Russell Mayer
Subject: Subject: PUG comments
I would also like to add that I absolutely loved Mark Roberts
Amaryllis,
Rob Studdert's Acoustics,
Gary Murphy's Two Countries, Chris Mitchell's CreaseCam!,
William
Robb's Quiet Time, and I
think
With a dozen PDML members from Texax,
That would be Texas.
L8R
Bill
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It's a classical sunset shot. As a stock angecy picture it's very sellable,
eg. as a postcard. The composition gives room for some text in the upper
left corner, eg. a bible quote or some word of wisdom.
As a standalone photo, however, it's my opinion that the area in the upper
left gets a bit
I think this picture has good composition, and captures the significan
moment of the situation. The only thing missing is detail in the rooster's
plumage. Had it been standing in the sun, it would have been perfect.
I don't know the MZ-5n very well, but I think that if you had popped up the
I agree that it's a fine picture, but in the interest of my learning, can
someone comment on the sky? It is very dark in the upper right, and I can't
imagine the atmospheric conditions that could do that. It looks like there
was a polarizer on the lens that wasn't fully rotated. Or something. I
Why would you record the exposure details? The same
lighting and composition configuration will never occur
again. Even for zone system, I don't record more than
the +/- needed for development.
(Unless of course I'm shooting a particular kind of
test or experiment)
At 08:39 AM 05/03/2001
Well I use Eudora 3.0, what are they up to now, 6.0? Basically the newer
versions seem to offer me nothing I need. I like 3.0, simple, small, fast,
and doesn't understand crap like javascript, or try to second guess me
like
LookOut!
The consensus in news.admin.net-abuse.email, where I lurk a
On Thu, 3 May 2001 09:27:05 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree that it's a fine picture, but in the interest of my learning, can
someone comment on the sky? It is very dark in the upper right, and I can't
imagine the atmospheric conditions that could do that. It looks like there
was a
Scene from work, this morning; my friend's name has been changed to protect
the guilty:
Alfredo: Paul, I must made a big mistake and I need your help.
Paul: Uh-oh. Did you break something?
Alfredo: Not exactly. I just submitted a winning bid on EBay for $375. But
the seller is in Australia,
Hi Jon,
It can be both. I don't record mine (haven't formed the habit yet), but I
do adjust aperture and speed frequently depending on circumstances and
level of uncertainty. I currently have eight rolls of film waiting to be
processed, so just remembering what is on which roll is a major
Hi, Rebecca!
Creative interpretations of the themes are always welcome!
Jostein
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From: B. K. Lane Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: June PUG
Hi ya'll,
I have a question about the June PUG.
Probably not me. :-) I think 'warez' enablers are probably fondest of it
(although, with the endless bloating of many programs, 200MB may not be
enough to hold a complete app soon). My ISP still manages to generate
profit with it--you get charged extra once you exceed the monthly bandwidth
limit.
...take a polarizer apart? Me neither.
My wife got me a nice (and pricey) one as a gift,
B+W with MRC from BH. Opened once on Christmas
morning, then stored in box with silica gel until
last night, when I discovered a smudge *on the inside*
of the rotating part. Too late to send back, so is
Shel wrote:
What a fascinating comment. Photographing people is what I do best.
I see John Mason's photograph as a photograph about people. Perhaps
you don't see it that way ... maybe to you it's a picture of a train
platform.
More condecension, eh Shel?
Condescension?!
Hi,
I'd like to make a suggestion.
When the reviewers have been assigned their photos to review they should mail
'their' photographers privately and ask them what, if anything, they want
get out of the review. This should help the reviewers to pitch their comments
at the appropriate level. If
Many thanks Jostein for commenting on my submission, and thank you also to those
who have taken the time to pass comment.
Had this been mine, I would have cropped away the foreground that is visibly
out of focus. Probably up to the small area on the left edge with no
duckweed.
I've tried out
I have to say I agree. When I was in college studying journalism, my
instructors were nothing short of brutal, whether the class involving
writing, editing or photography. Their message was if you can't cut it here,
how do you think you'll do out there? I personally witnessed several
mediocre
I am going to jump in on this thread. I have been shooting a lot of
real B/W film lately, and the cost is adding up. How much would I
expect to pay for a decent darkroom setup? (I would only develop B/W
with the equipment).
OT I know; sorry. But you guys are such a wealth of information.
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Geez... who actually _needs_ 200Mb of web space? (asks a guy who
has 5 gigs of it available, for free:)
Mostly multimedia web sites. Porn sites in particular take up lots of space
with image files.
AVI and MP3 files can add up
Treena Harp wrote:
I have to say I agree. When I was in college studying journalism, my
instructors were nothing short of brutal, whether the class involving
writing, editing or photography.
I'm not sure what a course designed to train professional photographers
has to do with the PUG.
I agree with you that honest critique is healthy and useful. Rude critique,
however, is not. It is a trivial task to convey useful feedback without
being contemptuous (This is just a typical, amateurish photograph,
something just barely worthy of a beginner photographer).
Cheers,
Mike
Granted... and as others have expressed, we should decide what the modus
operandi of this forum should be.
I think it's evident that if unexpected criticism or harsh words are
unleased, the forum can degenerate somewhat (mea culpa).
We should be able to obtain a balance where it is fun, yet
Sorry to be late, I just found out that my mail never made it to the PUG but
here it comes:
- and probably not plain test - I am working on it
Bill Gekas: Wife with Fritz the Cat
I like this picture very much. Both of your victims look attentive into
the camera, the angle is nice, coming
Well, how about allowing some people to opt out of critiques by adding a
line to their submission email stating such. Or will that too much overhead
for the PUG maintainers?
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From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:59 AM
In Minnesota, temperatures of -25 F (-32 F) isn't uncommon during the night
in winter. Windchills can be much worse, -60 F (-51 C) aren't uncommon
either. Getting back onto cameras, I have had them out during the day when
the high is about 0 F (-18 C) and my Ricoh body does fine, the solar
T Caleb Fauver wrote:
I am going to jump in on this thread. I have been shooting a lot of
real B/W film lately, and the cost is adding up. How much would I
expect to pay for a decent darkroom setup? (I would only develop B/W
with the equipment).
The main cost is your time. Decent
Group, I think we just make a rule. NO MORE NIGHT TRAIN PICTURES. :-) :-)
:-)
Tom C.
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From: John Edwin Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: PUG Commentary - John Mason's Night Train
I really thought that
Yes it does come with a special lens, it looks like a 'Limited' finish A
50mm F1.2, which may not have the A on the aperture ring. Anyway, check
out the LX2000 on the right in this picture (the other one I think has the
43mm Limited on it):
Hi,
This is my assignment for the May gallery.
Alin Flaider's Springtime Dance:
Good title, I immediately identified the couple of
flowers dancing. I like the composition, the right
flower with the two 'arms' up, and its 'partner'
looking down.
Better if: at least in my screen, the colours look
Bucky wrote:
I agree with you that honest critique is healthy and useful. Rude critique,
however, is not. It is a trivial task to convey useful feedback without
being contemptuous (This is just a typical, amateurish photograph,
something just barely worthy of a beginner photographer).
Unless it's different than any other filter I have seen, the filter is
basically a sandwidge of a gel type substance that is the actual filter,
with two peices of glass protecting it. I don't think it will come apart
easy, and even if it comes apart you'll likely never get it back together
on 5/3/01 3:05 PM, Todd Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyway, check out the LX2000 on the right in this picture (the other one I
think has the 43mm Limited on it):
http://www.t3.rim.or.jp/~azuma/jpeg/camera/LX2000_3.jpg
I just happened to know that this particular owner went through a
I don't think it needs to be a critique. I had a 10th Chemistry teacher
who knew I wasn't getting it. Guess who he frequently called to the front
of the class to write the equations on the board to humiliate? Guess how
much I learned?
I don't find words that could possibly hurt the viewer to
Item #1233190886 on Ebay
I wonder what is for sale?
comments?
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I see a trend going here as well. Those who have been to some kind of
formalized training seem to accept that a contemptuous style of critique
is acceptable and normal.
Those that have not, do not see it that way.
The PDML/PUG is not a formalized training arena.
Where does that leave us?
Tom
I like this way:
keep the commenting process the way it is now and trust the list to keep
things balanced.
Tom C.
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From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: About PUG Commentaries
It's obvious
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Dave Evans wrote:
Item #1233190886 on Ebay
I wonder what is for sale?
comments?
I dunno, but *I* won't be bidding on it. :)
chris
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Chris Brogden asks:
It's obvious that different people have different comfort levels when it
comes to criticism, and different expectations for their photos. What's
the general consensus? Should we go back to having no formal commenting
procedure and just comment individually on the photos
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From: Ed Dombek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you for commenting. I totally expected a response regarding
not using the flash.
I didn't because I was in a hurry, was using the long zoom (80-320)
and didn't want to spill my beer!
LOL I let you guess which reason had
Why would you record the exposure and lighting info? To learn
from and grow one's own experience, of course! Isn't this
how one learns photography in the first place? There's the
side benefit that such info lends others a learning opportunity
when the pics are published, such as in PUG.
Caleb wrote:
How much would I expect to pay for a decent darkroom setup? I would
only develop B/W
... and Tom answered:
The main cost is your time. Decent equipment can be had for under $400
if you're thrifty. Check ebay to get an idea of the prices on enlargers,
enlarging lenses,
Tonghang Zhou wrote:
Why would you record the exposure and lighting info? To learn
from and grow one's own experience, of course! Isn't this
how one learns photography in the first place? There's the
side benefit that such info lends others a learning opportunity
when the pics are
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Carlos Royo's Saddhu. A great study of character, with a feeling of human feeling
and a sense of timelessness and texture.
Thanks for your kind comments, Daniel.
I have enjoyed this month's gallery, as usual. There are a lot of fine
photos, and although my
Dave Evans wrote:
Item #1233190886 on Ebay
I wonder what is for sale?
comments?
That's not an MX - it's an ME.
They're selling the camera body (not guaranteed to work),
plus the M 50mm f1.7.
--
John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc.
(650)933-8295
Caruchas by Albano Garcia
My first thought was this was going to be a music CD cover! Cool.
Thanks, Ed.
No CD by now, but we have some demo tapes : - )
Please don't believe I look this way. It's a 20mm lens.
No, really, it was intended for a collective web page showing our photos, travel
ooops, I wrote:
To just develop (which is a very worthwhile part to do oneself) all
you would really need as equipment is the daylight developing tank.
... and a thermometer in the range of 60-100degrees or so.
An item worthy of buying one designed for
To add my two devaluated cents to this too long thread I would like to say the
following:
The first comment I read this month was Shel's one and I just thought: Ouch!
I think you can be a hard critic, say everything you think about it without need
to hurt. There are a lot of ways to say
Gerald F. Cermak wrote:
Well, how about allowing some people to opt out of critiques by adding a
line to their submission email stating such. Or will that too much overhead
for the PUG maintainers?
Why would you share an image with the rest of the list if you don't
want to hear what they
aimcompute wrote:
Saddhu by Carlos Royo, Spain - I think the interesting thing here is
the face and the fact that your subject apparently is not aware of being
photographed, due to the long focal length. I don't know if this was a crop
or not... I feel there may be a little too much
Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
Dan Maytola's Different Times:
I also hate grey days, specially the really overcast
ones, when there is a big difference when metering the
sky and the subject, and one never knows how to shot
(it happened to me this weekend).
The sculpture is really attractive, and it
On Wed, 2 May 2001 at 15:52:50 -0500, Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Free Agent should work pretty well as an e-mail client, as well as
a usenet newsreader and it's free too.
Free Agent only does outgoing email, not incoming.
The great advantage to Pegasus is that among free mail
Albano said:
Thanks for your comment...
You're most very welcome!!
And I suppose you enjoyed all the great kid's photography available in this
month's pug...
Oh, of course I did! I just realised that I didn't include any of the kids
shots (except for Bill Robb's) in my list of favourites
Bucky wrote:
I agree with you that honest critique is healthy and useful. Rude critique,
however, is not. It is a trivial task to convey useful feedback without
being contemptuous (This is just a typical, amateurish photograph,
something just barely worthy of a beginner photographer).
Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
KEH has two of the following:
70-210 F4-5.6 TAKUMAR F AUTO FOCUS (49)
Is this the sharp and highly-regarded autofocus F 70-210? I've never
seen this lens listed as Takumar. I've never handled the 70-210 lens,
so don't know whether it says Takumar
On Thu, 3 May 2001 19:58:09 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also one of my top favorites. I have always though it to be very difficult to
make a captivating image out of a large scene night shot. You succeeded
admirably.
Thanks, Ed. I appreciate that.
Later,
Gary
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On Thu, 3 May 2001 19:27:03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Me, too Shel. But how long would I have survived as a teacher if I had always
said exactly what I thought grin?
Less than a week? :-)
Later,
Gary
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Honest, constructive criticism is most helpful. Dishonest (as in it's great when it
ain't) or non-constructive (as in I think it's amateurish vs. some actual suggestion
for
change) appraisals are useless. Also, this is not a class wherein we are trying to weed
out the weak or prod the lazy
On 1 May 2001, at 11:52, Ernest Alejandria wrote:
Hi Brian,
Great photograph. Copper Seas should be the standard picture the British
Columbia Board of Tourism ought to utilize in enticing visitors to your neck
of the wood.
I'm curious about the technical details you employed in taking
On 1 May 2001, at 11:57, Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:
Brian Campbell, Copper Seas. Very colorful shot, and very peaceful feel.
This is among my favorite landscapes this month. I'll bet this would look
stunning if blown up and framed.
Thanks, William, the print does look better than the
In a message dated 5/3/2001 7:15:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Despite your last comment about camera clubs, you could be a damned good
*photography club* judge!
Ed
Actually - that is not harsh criticism, it is just plain boorish behavior.
Ad hominim(sp?)?)
I see a trend going here as well. Those who have been to some kind of
formalized training seem to accept that a contemptuous style of
critique
is acceptable and normal.
Those that have not, do not see it that way.
That kind of style is usually attributed to those who are
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Gerald Cermak wrote:
I can't imagine walking into your neighborhood Pub and saying
'Chris, your looking especially fat and bald today. You been
overeating again? I thought you had that problem under control.
You know your round shape really does things to emphasize
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've met Shel in person and don't
think there is a nasty bone in his body.
But that was during the day. In the dark of night, beneath the full
moon, and when the north wind howls ...
I used to enjoy viewing the PUG and seeing
what people are doing. Now it's
I am trying to figure out the best way to take multiple exposures quickly.
When I use the multiple exposure option it basically disables the
consecutive photograph option. If I have to press the shutter release for
each exposure it will take longer than I have. Anyone have any ideas?
Nick
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Wheatfield wrote:
As long as the picture isn't of a duck...
You have a problem with ducks?G
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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On Thu, 3 May 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I'm starting to feel that way as well, and I wonder how well served we
are by these assigned critiques or comments.
In what way? Could you elaborate upon this?
Thanks!
chris
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Yes Bob! You're revealing a rarely seen side of yourself. ;-)
Tom C.
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From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: About PUG Commentaries
Har! Me talking about diplomacy! That's a hoot!
Regards,
Bucky wrote:
I agree with you that honest critique is healthy and useful. Rude
critique,
however, is not. It is a trivial task to convey useful feedback without
being contemptuous (This is just a typical, amateurish photograph,
something just barely worthy of a beginner photographer).
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On Thu, 3 May 2001 21:06:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That kind of style is usually attributed to those who are formally trained
beyond their knowledge.
Ed,
Consider that line stolen! I know a TON of people like that. :-(
Later,
Gary
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You've been possessed by the spirit of Wheatfield Willie!
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Sent: May 3, 2001 13:28
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Subject: Re: About PUG Commentaries
Har!
Regards,
Bob...
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On Thu, 3 May 2001 15:39:57 +1000, Tanya Russell Mayer wrote:
I would also like to add that I absolutely loved Mark Roberts Amaryllis,
Rob Studdert's Acoustics, Gary Murphy's Two Countries,
Chris Mitchell's CreaseCam!, William Robb's Quiet Time, and I
think that Albano's Caruchas is very
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