The idea that kings should lead from the front really lost favor after
the fall of Napoleon the III, he was one of the last emperors who
insisted on leading his troops from near the front. The problem was that
while he was a Napoleon he wasn't the Napoleon.
graywolf wrote:
> A long long time ag
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> The official reason was to record f
From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>
>> On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
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>>
>> Public television is running a new World War II series
The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember
literally means truth.
frank theriault wrote:
> On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Bill and Tom,
>>
>> What is a propaganda photo?
>> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
>
A long long time ago in a land far far away the king was expected to be out in
front of the pawns leading them.
Now they lead from the rear. Preferably from another continent. That was most
likely the scariest part of the idea of nuclear war to them, there was no rear
for them to lead from.
T
'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
>> spending!)
>>
>> Propaganda is a loaded word.
>>
>> Regards, Bob S.
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> From: &quo
for their
> sacrifices.
> Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to
> support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> - Original Message ---
; financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
> spending!)
>
> Propaganda is a loaded word.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
>
> On 9/27/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> From: "graywolf
More likely a vast right wing conspiracy.
Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
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go willingly, and once there, there's no way back.
http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html
John
> Tom C.
>
>
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On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dictionaries are probably a commie plot.
LOL
Cheers,
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Yeah, that's what I figured...
Dictionaries are probably a commie plot.
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Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
> Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to
> support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this.
My definition came from a dictionary.
Nya
about manipulating the national sentiment to
>support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this.
>
>Regards, Bob S.
>
>On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > From: "Bob Sullivan"
&g
TED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>
>
> > Bill and Tom,
> >
> > What is a propaganda photo?
> > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by
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From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
> Bill and Tom,
>
> What is a propaganda photo?
> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
> It was a premature 'celebration' of
On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill and Tom,
>
> What is a propaganda photo?
> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
> It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day battle.
> The flag was raised to inspire those fighting
ison today. (Imagine
financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
spending!)
Propaganda is a loaded word.
Regards, Bob S.
On 9/27/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "graywolf"
> Su
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Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>
>
> If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any
> less
> powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy
>
Tom C.
>
>
>> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:50:24 -04
Cotty wrote:
> On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>
>>(I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.)
>
>
> Those sentences give me the horn.
>
> (Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-)
>
Lobster for tea.
Or maybe not.
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> Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial
> illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation.
> Strangely without
> captions those particula
On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>(I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.)
Those sentences give me the horn.
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Not to mention the fact that he was scared as hell because he was under
fire. It's illogical that he would go around picking up heavy solid shot
to arrange a photo shoot.
Norm
John Sessoms wrote:
> I think the most likely explanation is the photograph of the cleared
> road is the later one. The
a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting
>> shows that the sun
>> was more overhead in the second photo, but if the
>> photographer was into faking
>> his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took
>> them. It reminds me
>> of the
My point was that those that hadn't exploded wouldn't and would still
look like solid shot. The would weigh considerably less than solid shot
and would be even less likely than solid shot to create craters at the
end of their flight.. Historically Russian shells were notoriously
unreliable. (In
From: "P. J. Alling"
> If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse
> would imply at least some were exploding shells,
Some, but not all,
... and exploding shells of that day often did not explode (or exploded
too soon). Fused shells were not reliable. For one thing, ther
From: "Tom C"
> I thought it was an interesting study in human nature, photography
> aside.
>
> We make assumptions and draw conclusions from what we see, or we
> parrot what we hear or read, and make statements as if they are
> indisputable, yet thinking a little harder...
>
> To your question.
>
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/09/27 Thu PM 12:04:45 GMT
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> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> >But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to
mike wilson wrote:
>But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal
because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls.
Tanks? In the Crimean war? Surely the fighter-bombers would have taken
them out easily?
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mike wilson wrote:
>> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2007/09/26 Wed PM 09:44:39 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Chicken
If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse would
imply at least some were exploding shells,
Doug Franklin wrote:
> Tom C wrote:
>
>
>> To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that
>> must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil
>
> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/09/26 Wed PM 09:44:39 GMT
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> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>
> Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone
> but
> a f
Tom C wrote:
> To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that
> must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil?
>
> I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a
> relatively low velocity.
How much is "THAT" much? :-) They could eas
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>&g
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>Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>
>
> >
> > Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being
> > relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less
>fri
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From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>
> Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being
> relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction),
> allowed the canon balls to
ropel them off the road.
Still thinking. :-)
Tom C.
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I agree.
BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road & weren't placed there, where
are the craters?
Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
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all her
writing, and the many consequences of her writing.
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them. It reminds me
of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing".
>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre
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That's absolutely fascinating, thanks for posting it.
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Interesting.
Tom C wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre
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> Tom C.
>
>
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Tom C wrote:
>http://tinyurl.com/2oczre
Wow, what a great read!
Thanks, Tom.
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