Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Tom C
From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it. That's half-true, at best. My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light photography (although it's considerably better than my

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Tom C
That's half-true, at best. My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon A710). Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue that it's capable, I suppose, but that smells of wrong question). Really?

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well said. I'm in about the same place. I still shoot professionally but the bulk of my shooting is for personal enjoyment. The K-5 and DA* lenses are completely capable of providing top quality newspaper and magazine work, and some of my primes, like the K85/1.8 and FA 35/2 are a lot of fun.

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Mark C wrote: I am hoping that we see something out of Pentax - Ricoh that tells us that they are serious about the K-AF mount and it's corresponding glass. I really don't care if they lag the market regarding FF dslr, but let's face it - the day is not far off when FF

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Tom C wrote: From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it. That's half-true, at best. My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light photography (although

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Mark C wrote: I am hoping that we see something out of Pentax - Ricoh that tells us that they are serious about the K-AF mount and it's corresponding glass. I really don't care if they lag the market regarding FF dslr, but let's face

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Bill
On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote: That's half-true, at best. My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon A710). Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue that it's capable, I suppose, but that

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Bill
On 14/04/2013 5:46 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Mark C wrote: I am hoping that we see something out of Pentax - Ricoh that tells us that they are serious about the K-AF mount and it's corresponding glass. I really don't care if they lag the market regarding FF dslr, but let's

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread DagT
14. apr. 2013 kl. 01:20 skrev Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com: On 13/04/2013 7:38 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think I subscribed to PDML in 2000 or 2001. It seems like the last couple of years, and especially the last few months the topic of other brands supplementing Pentax gear or just

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Mark C wrote: I am hoping that we see something out of Pentax - Ricoh that tells us that they are serious about the K-AF mount and it's corresponding glass. I really don't care if they lag the

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, DagT wrote: In my view the Fuji system does compete with the Pentax DA Limited lenses providing a good, compact, system and I am tempted to sell them and get the X-Pro with 18mm f/2, 35mm f/1.4 and 60mm f/2.4. On the other hand Pentax does compete in other areas such as

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Eactivist
This post was too long to go through, so trimmed Cotty's quoted material. I have a hard time recounting my personal history re cameras, because I sort of forget it. I remember the names of the Canons I've had (mostly), but not the Pentaxes (because I am with Canon now is probably the

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Case in point... I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.' This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting. Not really a good thing. I'm trying to adjust, but... Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Bill

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013, Bob Sullivan wrote: Case in point... I have the K-01 with me all the time in the car I'm still having trouble getting used to the 'NO VIEWFINDER.' This makes me put it away faster/sooner and stop shooting. Not really a good thing. I'm trying to adjust, but... The

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend? (Bill)

2013-04-14 Thread Tom C
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com On 14/04/2013 12:14 AM, Tom C wrote: That's half-true, at best. My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light photography (although it's considerably better than my previous Canon A710). Similarly, no camera is good if you hate to use it (you can argue

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread John Sessoms
Might as well cut out the middle-man by just standing in a cold shower tearing up hundred dollar bills From: David Parsons Because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. I know a guy that went from Pentax, to Canon, to Nikon, to Sony, to Canon. In the space of a year.

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread John Sessoms
I must have missed the bit where you told about butchering innocent Pentax lenses to fit Canon. I don't see switching brands as a joyful thing. It's just a pain in the nether regions, like getting a baseball bat enema! But I've grown old waiting for Pentax's MZ-D, and I don't think I can

Re: Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread P.J. Alling
Some cameras rise above their ergonomics. The Kodak Medalist, is a beast, though not that much bigger and heavier than a K20D, and by modern, (say post 1950), standards quirky to say the least, but what limits my shooting with it is available film. The damned stuff is getting expensive, (and

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 14, 2013, at 6:08 AM, DagT wrote: 14. apr. 2013 kl. 01:20 skrev Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com: On 13/04/2013 7:38 AM, George Sinos wrote: So, I want a camera with a fast standard lens, I want something that is fairly compact, and I want certain lens qualities that I have to

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Doug Brewer
When word of the Fuji X100 first broke, I knew I wanted one. Not out of some displeasure with Pentax, but because it's a camera that fits what I like to do. It's smallish, has a great FOV, and the files it produces are gorgeous. Now that I have one, I have truly enjoyed using it, even when it

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/4/13, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: Why have we never gotten together for a beer? Would you bring your wife? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 14/4/13, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: I must have missed the bit where you told about butchering innocent Pentax lenses to fit Canon. I don't see switching brands as a joyful thing. True - I skipped over that -but call it an aberration if you like. Gotta get my kicks somewhere

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Steve Cottrell
I tell you what, if I suddenly had a career change and decided to become Jostein and try and make a living in the wilds of the Northern Russian Forrests chasing Kazak Vildebeests et al, I would have no hesitation in acquiring a couple of 645D bodies and a set of glass. Older glass too. Real glass.

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 14, 2013, at 09:08 , John Sessoms wrote: I must have missed the bit where you told about butchering innocent Pentax lenses to fit Canon. I don't see switching brands as a joyful thing. It's just a pain in the nether regions, like getting a baseball bat enema! There are many of us

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: Spoken from the fingers of someone who just dropped over $1500 on a complete Q kit with flash, ring flash, Auto-110 adaptor, and Pentax's super over priced K-mount adaptor. First impressions? Auto-110 lenses, the 70mm and 20-40mm, used with the

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Bill
On 14/04/2013 2:32 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 13/4/13, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: Why have we never gotten together for a beer? Would you bring your wife? I 'd have to think about that. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 14, 2013, at 14:39 , Brian Walters wrote: Spoken from the fingers of someone who just dropped over $1500 on a complete Q kit with flash, ring flash, Auto-110 adaptor, and Pentax's super over priced K-mount adaptor. First impressions? Auto-110 lenses, the 70mm and 20-40mm, used with

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-14 Thread Boris Liberman
...at this point in the digital era, almost all cameras are highly competent. At the DSLR level, image quality even with the entry models surpasses what most people could have gotten from film SLRs (assuming you understand the camera, what it can actually do, and how to make it perform

Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread George Sinos
I think I subscribed to PDML in 2000 or 2001. It seems like the last couple of years, and especially the last few months the topic of other brands supplementing Pentax gear or just plain switching to other brands has significantly increased. Thom Hogan started a series called How to Choose a

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 8:38 AM -0500 4/13/13, George Sinos wrote: I think I subscribed to PDML in 2000 or 2001. It seems like the last couple of years, and especially the last few months the topic of other brands supplementing Pentax gear or just plain switching to other brands has significantly increased. Thom

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Bob W
On 13 Apr 2013, at 14:38, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: printer can create (13x19), it isn't the camera that's the problem. Assuming your DSLR is not broken, it will be your decisions and your handling of the camera that are the gatekeepers on image quality these days. I don't

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Eactivist
There have always been defections on this list. Yes, they do seem to have increased, but for a long time Pentax was not producing new cameras fast enough, then they were not producing very many new zooms. That finally changed, although it took a while, and things have improved and now they

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Tom C
For me, yes it was the lack of a FF body, combined with the vast gulf between the D800's and the Pentax line last year. I've been yearning for a FF body at least since the Canon 5D, if not from the day I unboxed the *ist D. That, combined with the general recognition that Pentax has been

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Eactivist
Especially now that we are in the age of digital, and a lot of DSLRs are more similar than SLRs once were. I realized after I wrote that, that I sort of agree with what you quoted from Hogan. Which got me thinking a little deeper. The touchy-feely part of a Pentax camera: where the

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The touchy-feely part of a Pentax camera: where the buttons are, easy of manual use (finger placement and movement), green button -- that a lot have liked on this list, a lot of the reason for Pentax loyalty, was probably a lot more important

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Eactivist
Okay. Would you disagree with my statement that SLRs differed more than DSLRs now seem to do? Marnie aka Doe :-) (I missed your rant because, generally, I don't read what seem to be Pentax-gear-oriented threads anymore. The only ones I read are when new gear is announced, just out of

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:38 AM, George Sinos wrote: If this is the case why so much talk of switching and other brands? Is it really all due to the lack of a full frame body? Is the increased talk of other brands really a trend or my imagination? There are several things going on here.

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread kwaller
we've seen in the auto industry. Cars use to come out every 4 to 6 years with new models, now if the car design is 3 years old, its old. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: eactiv...@aol.com Subject: Re: Multiple Brands or Switching

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread David Parsons
Because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. I know a guy that went from Pentax, to Canon, to Nikon, to Sony, to Canon. In the space of a year. His pictures didn't change much between systems, but he seemed to enjoy the process of changing gear. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
Can only chip in here with some random thoughts from my own personal perspective. I used Pentax film camera gear extensively from 1978 onwards. My first MX in 1980 was my proudest moment in gear - and it extended to my photography as I explored new lenses and techniques. I can truly say that that

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Bill
On 13/04/2013 7:38 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think I subscribed to PDML in 2000 or 2001. It seems like the last couple of years, and especially the last few months the topic of other brands supplementing Pentax gear or just plain switching to other brands has significantly increased. I'm pretty

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/4/13, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: None of these are really quantifiable things. It's like porn, you can't identify it, but you know it when you see it. I hear you brother. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Bill
On 13/04/2013 5:25 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 13/4/13, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: None of these are really quantifiable things. It's like porn, you can't identify it, but you know it when you see it. I hear you brother. Why have we never gotten together for a beer? bill -- PDML

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Tom C
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com I want a camera with a fast standard lens, it's something I have long complained about with Pentax digital. I don't want to carry around a massive camera, so for me the full frame DSLR offerings aren't so good. I'm also somewhat of a lens junkie, and I

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Tom C
I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it. The NEX line was a better choice for my son because he most likely will use it in a PS mode, but it has capabilities beyond, and I already have a number of lenses and

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Tim Bray
I still really like my K-5 and if I were advising someone which SLR to buy, I’d say the Pentaxes are hard to beat for price-performance, as long as you don’t really need the FF, which I suspect not that many really do. Except for, I wouldn’t advise people to buy an SLR these days, mirrorless

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013, Tom C wrote: I should add, following the line of thought, that any/every camera is capable in the hands of one who knows how to best use it. That's half-true, at best. My Nikon P7100 just isn't good for low-light photography (although it's considerably better than my

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Okay. Would you disagree with my statement that SLRs differed more than DSLRs now seem to do? Probably. ;-) Especially if you include mirrorless in the DSLR category. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Re: Multiple Brands or Switching - a Trend?

2013-04-13 Thread Mark C
Pentax has gone through a lot of changes in the last decade. In the late 90's Pentax offered a lens lineup that was easily on par with Canon and Nikon and offered a lot of specialty items. On the long end - 600mm f4, 400mm f2.8, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f5.6 - and short end - 15mm, 20mm autofocus and