The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember
literally means truth.
frank theriault wrote:
On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill and Tom,
What is a propaganda photo?
The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
It was a
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Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken
Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has
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Dictionaries are probably a commie plot.
LOL
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The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember
The idea that kings should lead from the front really lost favor after
the fall of Napoleon the III, he was one of the last emperors who
insisted on leading his troops from near the front. The problem was that
while he was a Napoleon he wasn't the Napoleon.
graywolf wrote:
A long long time
there, there's no way back.
http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html
John
Tom C.
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More likely a vast right wing conspiracy.
Kenneth Waller
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spending!)
Propaganda is a loaded word.
Regards, Bob S.
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If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any
less
manipulating the national sentiment to
support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this.
Regards, Bob S.
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Bill and Tom
'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
spending!)
Propaganda is a loaded word.
Regards, Bob S.
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If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio
A long long time ago in a land far far away the king was expected to be out in
front of the pawns leading them.
Now they lead from the rear. Preferably from another continent. That was most
likely the scariest part of the idea of nuclear war to them, there was no rear
for them to lead from.
. (Imagine
financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
spending!)
Propaganda is a loaded word.
Regards, Bob S.
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On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill and Tom,
What is a propaganda photo?
The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day battle.
The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the
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Bill and Tom,
What is a propaganda photo?
The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day
battle
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Bill and Tom,
What is a propaganda photo?
The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:08:03 -0500
Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken
Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has
been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities
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Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to
support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this.
My definition came from a dictionary.
Nyah nyah.
William
Yeah, that's what I figured...
Dictionaries are probably a commie plot.
Regards, Bob S.
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Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national
On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dictionaries are probably a commie plot.
LOL
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Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone
but
a few folks who want to be taken
If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse would
imply at least some were exploding shells,
Doug Franklin wrote:
Tom C wrote:
To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that
must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil?
I
For some the world began the day they were born and will end the day
they die, and has always been as it is.
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But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal
because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls.
Tanks? In the Crimean war? Surely the fighter-bombers would have taken
them out easily?
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But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal
because of commanders
From: Tom C
I thought it was an interesting study in human nature, photography
aside.
We make assumptions and draw conclusions from what we see, or we
parrot what we hear or read, and make statements as if they are
indisputable, yet thinking a little harder...
To your question... Where
From: P. J. Alling
If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse
would imply at least some were exploding shells,
Some, but not all,
... and exploding shells of that day often did not explode (or exploded
too soon). Fused shells were not reliable. For one thing, there
at all her
writing, and the many consequences of her writing.
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Why
My point was that those that hadn't exploded wouldn't and would still
look like solid shot. The would weigh considerably less than solid shot
and would be even less likely than solid shot to create craters at the
end of their flight.. Historically Russian shells were notoriously
unreliable.
Not to mention the fact that he was scared as hell because he was under
fire. It's illogical that he would go around picking up heavy solid shot
to arrange a photo shoot.
Norm
John Sessoms wrote:
I think the most likely explanation is the photograph of the cleared
road is the later one.
On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
(I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.)
Those sentences give me the horn.
(Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-)
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Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any
difference to anyone but
a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting
shows that the sun
was more overhead
Cotty wrote:
On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
(I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.)
Those sentences give me the horn.
(Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-)
Lobster for tea.
Or maybe not.
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I agree.
BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road weren't placed there, where
are the craters?
Kenneth Waller
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If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any
less
powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy
to sit
in our comfortable living rooms
Tom C wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2oczre
Wow, what a great read!
Thanks, Tom.
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Interesting.
Tom C wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2oczre
Tom C.
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http://tinyurl.com/2oczre
Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone but
a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun
was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into faking
his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took
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Why is it so interesting? I see nothing
I agree.
BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road weren't placed there, where
are the craters?
Kenneth Waller
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Why is it so interesting? I see
them off the road.
Still thinking. :-)
Tom C.
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I agree.
BTW, if the balls
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Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being
relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction),
allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when
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Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being
relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less
friction),
allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point
: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:49 AM
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Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being
relatively high, slightly sloped
Tom C wrote:
To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that
must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil?
I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a
relatively low velocity.
How much is THAT much? :-) They could easily be
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