Re: Acoustic Photography, Was Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread Peter Smith
I own a Pentax Stereo adapter so can i join the acoustic photography group? Peter Manchester, England - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.o

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:15:54 EST Read it? y >Which might break some folks of their habit of shooting 98% horizontal shots. I'll tell ya something: I played with a friends F5 for a while (we actually swapped cameras during a shoot as I'd loaded my last roll

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:43:24 EST Read it? y >But every shooter hears their own shutter. And how does that affect concert >musicians in full bore rehearsal music? While it may be a gaucherie to shoot >during the actual concert, really *serious* musicians,

Re: Acoustic Photography, Was Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.
Your no-flash (presumption on my part) film preference when taking these pictures? Otis Wright John Edwin Mason wrote: > Sorry, Mafud, but you're wrong on this, as Rob has > pointed out. > > I'm one of those "serious musicians." It's not my > living, but I'm a member of the local symphony and

Re: Acoustic Photography, Was Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Feb 2001, at 10:21, John Francis wrote: > Standing at the back of the club with a 300/2.8 isn't inconspicuous, > but at least that way shutter noise isn't a problem. I've found that > using the 50/1.4 gets me too close to be really comfortable, although > those extra two stops are really n

Re: Acoustic Photography, Was Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread John Francis
John Edwin Mason wrote: > > One learns how not to cause problems, mostly by being > in every way as invisible and inaudible as possible. > > I've found that when shooting acoustic jazz and > classical music, my 5N is going to cause problems > because it's too noisy in every aspect of its > opera

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-14 Thread Alan Chan
>You seem to be taking things far too litteral. I'm not included in any >inner circles not worked as consultant. As Roland has pointed out, I'm >refering to the wishes and wants from Pentax customer base over the years. >From this mailing list and similar in Japan. There are endless posts about

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/13/01 9:33:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I was made well aware of my presence after a snide glance from the choir-master of a large (100+) choir after made a few shots with the LX sans winder/motor a the peak of a crescendo where I thought it

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread Pål Jensen
Tom wrote: >I'm asking Pal, who by all accounts appears to be > PERSONALLY included in Pentax's inner circle, for the facts to back up the > claims he makes.Was he formally included in a marketing survey/research > regarding features of future Pentax products? Does he think HIS input was > f

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread Pål Jensen
Roland wrote: > We must consider now that the MZ-S body and shutter mechanism are far more > expensive to manufacture than the body and shutter in the Z-1p, simply because > that they are of higher quality. I was told today that the MZ-S was built to more exacting standards - low tolerances. (

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/13/01 1:05:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << * AA Battery pack/hand grip suitable for vertical shooting >> Which might break some folks of their habit of shooting 98% horizontal shots. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is f

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread Rfsindg
Paul wrote: >>All manufacturers of expensive consumer goods conduct product clinics before they >commit to production. They bring a bunch of people into a secure room and show them >both the new product and competitive merchandise. Then they quiz them in regard to >the inclusion or exclusion of

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread PAUL STENQUIST
is or conjecture if they're not backed up by credible evidence (dates, > time, names). > > Tom C. > > -Original Message- > From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread aimcompute
en <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff >Dave > >> So, a Pentax market survey involves asking just Pål what he wants in >> the next camera? :) Did they as

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Feb 2001, at 7:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My thoughts precisely. Perhaps the MZ-S with booster should do a fine job of > filling up the hand. And emptying the pocket, so it appears :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Ho

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread Pål Jensen
Dave > So, a Pentax market survey involves asking just Pål what he wants in > the next camera? :) Did they ask anyone else? Sure. MZ-size, nifty features from the Z-1p, and LX built was pretty much the message from the Pentax user base. Pentax have been listening more to their customers than

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 2/13/01 2:38:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << ...The grip of Z-1p is not bad either, just that my last finger did not have a good grip since the body is a bit short. >> My thoughts precisely. Perhaps the MZ-S with booster should do a fine job of

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-13 Thread Mike Johnston
Frantisek wrote: > (why Leica made such ugly and big slr when their rf cameras are so cute > and small is out of my imagination... R8 also looks like it's been made by > a designer on a bad trip, imho. I much prefer the early German hardware > (like Contax S, Contaxes, Leicas #,M3,...) to those s

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Alan Chan
>Its all about balance and in my opinion the MZ-S achieve that balance. I'm >sure some disagree. Anyway, small size has been an important design goal >for Pentax the last 25 years and the funny part is that every single one >camera marketed by Pentax were small size (for what it does) has been

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Alan Chan
>everybody knows what an F5 is. I know, a hammer without a handle. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To uns

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Alan Chan
>I guess my question, is how do you come by this information? How do WE >know >that a majority of SLR users in the market don't care about fps or top >shutter speed and care more about size? I was never made part of a survey >by any camera manufacturer. I think just the opposite is true of any

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Alan Chan
>High Magnification , High Eyepoint, x% coverage? The higher the magnification is, the bigger the viewing image will be (through the viewfinder). High eyepoint simply means your eye can be further from the eyepiece, yet still see the whole image throught the viewfinder. However, there is not

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: >They suggest that the > MZ-S is aimed at the middle of the market, at the N80 > and Elan 7 (which, BTW, also has a part-metal frame). Two other factors to consider when dealing with the MZ-S market position is the fact that Pentax clearly label it PROFESSIONAL (something the rumo

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Mark Roberts
If I were shopping for a new camera right now (and I may be later this year) I'd be considering the MZ-S and the PZ-1p. Although there are many differences between the two, the ones that would affect my decision would be the better viewfinder (from what we've heard so far), faster standard flash

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: > I mention the N80 and the Elan 7 because the specs > which cause so much disappointment for those of us who > hoped for a F100 competitor and PZ-1P successor > actually make me quite happy. They suggest that the > MZ-S is aimed at the middle of the market, at the N80 > and Elan 7

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread aimcompute
I guess my question, is how do you come by this information? How do WE know that a majority of SLR users in the market don't care about fps or top shutter speed and care more about size? I was never made part of a survey by any camera manufacturer. I think just the opposite is true of any serio

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Ralf wrote: > Taking the Minolta 7 and EOS 30/Elan 7 into account, we indeed have a > new class arising here, the $650-800 class. Isn't this the class Paal > delared to be dead? The big split in amateur (<$500) and > knowledgeables (>$1000) on the SLR market? Doesn't seem so. It certainly wa

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread John Francis
aimcompute wrote: > > I hope your wrong about the next flagships of major mfr's being digital. That's the way it is going. Canon have stated they don't expect to develop anything new at the high end that is anything but digital, and Nikon have said they consider an F6 unlikely to be developed.

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread canislupus
At 23:36 11.2.2001 -0500, you wrote: > At 01:38 PM 2/12/01 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > > As it is virtually a software function how they execute MLU on the Leica R8 > system is: set the mode to MLU, one press of the shutter pre-fires the mirror > the next press triggers the shutter after which

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread John Edwin Mason
Folks, it seems to me that how the MZ-S looks depends on where you stand. I stand in need of something to replace my ZX-5N, so the MZ-S looks pretty darn good. I bought the 5N about a year ago. After many years with my trusty K1000 and KX, I wanted autofocus, spot metering, auto advance, auto

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Ralf Engelmann
BTW, did you notice this Sigma SA-9? 1/8000s shutter 1/180s(!) synch 3 fps cross AF, but not wide 10-segment metering bracketing, MLU price $750.- Taking the Minolta 7 and EOS 30/Elan 7 into account, we indeed have a new class arising here, the $650-800 class. Isn't this the class Paal delare

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Gerald Wang
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Alan Chan wrote: > >Manual focus?? Who needs that? Sheesh, get with the 90's already! :) > > Well, there are many many manual focus Pentax lenses on the market. And many > of them are damn fine lenses which I am sure still in actual use. Besides, > Pentax's AF ability is no

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:15:30 -0600 (CST) Read it? y >...and its onboard infrared beam would disable the electronics on any >Canon or Nikon in the vicinity. :) Nah, the onboard infrared beam tells your palm pilot the details of the shot. On

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Peter Loveday
> >I was thinking, is it possible to turn their power-zoom (the extra 2 pins) > >power into USM power source. If so, they might just forget the power-zoom > >feature and employ USM technolgy without phyical modification to the camera > >mount. > > Wouldn't you get strange results is you put a

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Peter Smith
>But the RTSIII has 100% coverage and a relatively high-eyepoint finder, and >those things aren't unrelated to magnificaton. Generally, eye relief and/or >higher coverage both make it harder to achieve high magnification, and high >magnification makes it harder to achieve 100% coverage and/or good

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:30:42 -0800 Read it? y >I was thinking, is it possible to turn their power-zoom (the extra 2 pins) >power into USM power source. If so, they might just forget the power-zoom >feature and employ USM technolgy without phy

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Alan wrote: > But the metal outer shell does not necessarily mean metal body. Just hope > the major structure was made of die-cast metal (like Z-1p). The body must be > rigid enough to hold the mount (unlike the current MZ/ZX bodies). It is. Its significantly stiffer and more rigid than the

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
> > I understand that 100% viefinder is difficult to design and manufacture. > > However, can't they use larger eyepiece to ovecome the high >magnification > > with high-eyepoint? To me anyway, high magnification is important for >manual > > focus. Even though I wear glasses, I prefer high magni

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Gerald Wang
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Chris Brogden wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Gerald Wang wrote: > > > Hi Mike, in what ways do you consider the MZ-S to be lacking when compared > > to the PZ-1p? > > I'm not Mike, but > > --1/6000 and 1/180 instead of 1/8000 and 1/250 Howdy Chris, That's only a 1/2-st

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Alan Chan wrote: > Now, that's the special feature No.1: > - when the built-in flash was pop-up, the zoom lens would be limited to 28mm > or narrower to avoid vignetting. ...and its onboard infrared beam would disable the electronics on any Canon or Nikon in the vicinity.

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Bucky
In light of the specs that Doug just posted, I retreat on my position that there are a LOT of features missing. If there is a mirror prefire, then my only serious gripes would be the fact that it'll require me to buy new flashes to take advantage of the new features (as opposed to some kind of ad

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
I am not sure about other MZ/ZX bodies, but the MZ-M has very very little mirror vibration compared to any other Pentax SLRs that I have used. With a sturdy tripod and a good quality tripod head, I do not see the mirror vibration could cause any practical difference (and the quality of the tri

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Feb 2001, at 17:39, Alan Chan wrote: > >But the RTSIII has 100% coverage and a relatively high-eyepoint finder, and > >those things aren't unrelated to magnificaton. Generally, eye relief and/or > >higher coverage both make it harder to achieve high magnification, and high > >magnification

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
>I'm assuming there's no such body in the works. The words "Pentax >Introduces the New Flagship of Its 35mm Autofocus SLR Lineup" would >indicate >this is as good as it gets. Obviously Pentax believes there only competing >with themselves. Not that this is not a good body, it's just doesn't >

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Mark Cassino
At 01:38 PM 2/12/01 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: As it is virtually a software function how they execute MLU on the Leica R8 system is: set the mode to MLU, one press of the shutter pre-fires the mirror the next press triggers the shutter after which the mirror comes down ready for focussing/com

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
I think you have brought up an intertesting point. I have the feeling that the general public (less discriminating consumers) would usually go for cheaper models when all they wanted was a camera to shoot. However, when talking about top end models (MZ-S in this case), the consumers are usually

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Gerald Wang wrote: > Hi Mike, in what ways do you consider the MZ-S to be lacking when compared > to the PZ-1p? I'm not Mike, but --1/6000 and 1/180 instead of 1/8000 and 1/250 --2.5 fps instead of 4.3 fps --.75x viewfinder instead of .8x --no more nifty side-mounted ho

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Feb 2001, at 17:42, Mark Cassino wrote: > Personally, I find the terms "true mirror lock up" and "pseudo mirror lock up" > to be needlessly pejorative. "Mirror lock up" and "Mirror Pre-fire" are two > distinct ways of addressing the issue of unsharpenss induced by mirror > vibration, with r

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
>Dang. Maybe they should have interchangable finders, then you could >replace >the entire prism with a better one and no dinky pop-up flash. > >Actually, I found it rather odd that the built in flash only covers 28mm >but the 'standard' lens is almost certainly going to be a 24-90. Surely >this

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
>I wonder if the new cable switches mean the old ones won't work. Seems to be. The new socket is round shape. Bad bad idea to those who just wanted a simple cable release!!! regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-ma

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Stan Halpin
x27;t seem to have any use except for as a substitute for MLU. Stan > From: tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff > > Well, I'm pretty excited about it. That top view is pretty sexy. > > ... > > I may buy one just for that

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
>--- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With the features listed, I would be pretty > > surprised if its street price > > was more than USD800. Personally, I feel it worth > > USD700 only. > >Yeah, and with N dropping the F100's price below >US$1000 I don't think Pentax can sell too many

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
>But the RTSIII has 100% coverage and a relatively high-eyepoint finder, and >those things aren't unrelated to magnificaton. Generally, eye relief and/or >higher coverage both make it harder to achieve high magnification, and high >magnification makes it harder to achieve 100% coverage and/or good

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Peter Loveday
Well, it looks pretty nice to me. I'll add my comiserations to the loss of the 98% viewfinder, but other than that I'd be pretty happy with one. 2.5fps is more than enough for me; I don't think I've ever shot continuous shooting except for auto-bracketing anyway. 1/180th sync is fine for my pur

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
>--- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With the features listed, I would be pretty > > surprised if its street price > > was more than USD800. Personally, I feel it worth > > USD700 only. > >Yeah, and with N dropping the F100's price below >US$1000 I don't think Pentax can sell too many

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Bob wrote: > Data imprinting between the frames is a major pain in the arse if > you're doing reportage work, Flavio. It slows the film advance very > significantly. I have this feature on the RXs, but have no need of it. Apparently, the MZ-S prints along the frames, not between them. I don't k

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Gerald Wang
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Bucky wrote: > All I can say is that, from the specs, I am going to find it hard to make > the switch from my PZ1p twins to this new offering. The digital version is > gonna be too expensive for me, and the conventional one is going to be a > step backwards in too many areas.

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Chan
> > This viewfinder info looks rather strange. With such a high eyepoint >(only > > x.75 magnification), how come the viewfinder area is only 92%. It >should be > > more. > > Well, let's hope that some posted specs could be wrong :-) >Since I've been told by an utter reliable source that the

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Peter wrote: > Is there actually anything changed in the final specs to the > original version of this camera show (KB-266 was it?) - other > than the fact it actually is finished perhaps. > > Considering it was supposed to have various upgrades, etc, hence > the delay.. It looks identical to wh

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Peter Loveday" Subject: Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff > > Actually, I found it rather odd that the built in flash only covers 28mm > but the 'standard' lens is almost certainly going to be a 24-90. Surely > this is

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Len wrote: > No, I don't think this is marketing bullshit. I think that the > MZ-S is an honest attempt to field a camera that both pros and > amateurs will appreciate. The feature set looks good, the size > and weight looks good, and the build quality looks good. I sincerely hope so. It

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Peter Loveday
> Incidentally, on the MZ-S as on many newer cameras, a physical feature that > limites viewfinder magnification and coverage is the pop-up flash, since it > effectively limits the space available for the prism. Dang. Maybe they should have interchangable finders, then you could replace the enti

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Jens Bladt
Hi The 1st Z1 only gave 2fps. Maybe there will be a MZ-Sn in a couple of years! This wouldn't be the first time (ME-Super,SFXn,MZ5-n) Jens - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax U

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Peter Loveday
Is there actually anything changed in the final specs to the original version of this camera show (KB-266 was it?) - other than the fact it actually is finished perhaps. Considering it was supposed to have various upgrades, etc, hence the delay.. It looks identical to what we saw before, as far a

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Mark Cassino
At 11:00 AM 2/11/01 -0500, Flavio and Mike wrote: > this is the same spec as the Z1-p's. > There IS the pseudo MLU as in the Z1-p, I think. I suppose it's better than nothing, I use the self timer on my SP in that manner since it lacks a true MLU feather.  However, I truly miss the real MLU of

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Dario wrote: > I should have written "I believe" we'll see new lenses with new features > pretty soon, as I have no info at all. Just my idea. Oh Well, we should expect them pretty soon. The press release says they will be launched with the MZ-S. I guess the formal launch of the MZ-S is a

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread aimcompute
It doesn't surprise me. They haven't been really attempting to compete with the other flagships for over a decade have they? Goodness sakes, they don't EVEN ADVERTISE their current flagship (PZ-1p) anymore. Tom C. > Pål wrote: >Not necessarily. The press release clearly state the following: "

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Jens wrote: > Hi all > Mike wrote about the MZ-S, referring to a 92%/ x0.75 viewfinder: >> a very fancy, very capable consumer-grade snapshot camera< > > Well, maybe that's just what Pentax does best. (I'm disapointed with the > viewfinder as well - if this is really true. It's not just annother

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Bucky
All I can say is that, from the specs, I am going to find it hard to make the switch from my PZ1p twins to this new offering. The digital version is gonna be too expensive for me, and the conventional one is going to be a step backwards in too many areas. It seemed such a no-brainer - the PZ1p i

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Len Paris
> Hell. Look at this (from the press release): "the > MZ-S is expected to set the new standard for high-end > 35mm autofocus SLR cameras and satisfy the > photographic needs of uncompromising photographers - > professionals and experienced amateurs alike." > Doesn't seem like an F80 to me! Marke

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Joseph McAllister
With little trepidation, Mike Johnston opined on 02/11/2001 08:15: >Incidentally, on the MZ-S as on many newer cameras, a physical feature that >limites viewfinder magnification and coverage is the pop-up flash, since it >effectively limits the space available for the prism. And the larger the

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
"aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >By the way I just have to get this out of my system. Does Galen Rowell and >his OBVIOUS pimping of even Nikon's mid-level 35mm offferings make anybody >else want to puke too? Sometimes I enjoy his OP column, but I recall one >recently that was what I ju

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Joseph McAllister
With little trepidation, herbet brasileiro opined on 02/11/2001 09:08: > >--- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> With the features listed, I would be pretty >> surprised if its street price >> was more than USD800. Personally, I feel it worth >> USD700 only. > >Yeah, and with N droppin

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Joseph McAllister
With little trepidation, Shel Belinkoff opined on 02/11/2001 07:57: >Jens Bladt said: > >> MLU is missing, but this is only >> important for macro/night shots. >> So, we'll just have to use other >> cameras (LX, K1000, PZ1-p) for this. > >I can think of several scenarios other than macro or

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Michel Adam
- Original Message - From: Gary L. Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff > On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:45:38 -0700, aimcompute wrote: > > >I'm assuming ther

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: > I actually like the specs. Seem to mean that the > camera will compete with the N/F80 and the new Elan 7 > (which also has part-metal construction) and not the > F100. Problem is that Pentax claims its a high-end camera that supposedly compete with the F100 and EOS3 and in addi

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread aimcompute
that said, there's nothing wong with a K1000 or MX is there? Tom C. -Original Message- From: Treena Harp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff >I think t

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Tom wrote: > I'm assuming there's no such body in the works. The words "Pentax > Introduces the New Flagship of Its 35mm Autofocus SLR Lineup" would indicate > this is as good as it gets. Not necessarily. The press release clearly state the following: "Heralded as the new flagship model of

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread aimcompute
... so... Tom -Original Message- From: Michael Perham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff > Anyway as I have said in my previous post, now I >have to si

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Tom wrote: > I'm surprised the finder coverage is only 92%. > > I'm surprised it only does 2.5 frames per sec. I find this surprising when seen in light of the "high-end" statements and comparison with LX durability and built quality. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail L

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Flavio Minelli wrote: > Self-Timer: Electronically controlled type with 2 or 12 seconds delay. > Cancellation possible. > > Jens, > this is the same spec as the Z1-p's. > There IS the pseudo MLU as in the Z1-p, I think. But doesn't the MZ-7 do the 2 second timer as well, on

RE: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Len Paris
Shel is right. Every list, of which I am a member, is the same. Major speculation (and rumors) before official announcements are made. Then, after the official announcements, the complaints (whining?) roll in. It's true on all the lists that I see. A person has to weigh the factors according t

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Michael Perham
aimcompute wrote: > I'm assuming there's no such body in the works. The words "Pentax > Introduces the New Flagship of Its 35mm Autofocus SLR Lineup" would indicate > this is as good as it gets. Obviously Pentax believes there only competing > with themselves. Not that this is not a good body,

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Gerald Wang
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Flavio Minelli wrote: > I'm reading the PDML from the archives so my apologies if this has > already been discussed but I checked some negative/slide strips and I > wonder how you can have anything written between the frame and the > perforations. > > It seems there is about

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Michael Perham
Flavio Minelli wrote: > this is the same spec as the Z1-p's. > There IS the pseudo MLU as in the Z1-p, I think. I suppose it's better than nothing, I use the self timer on my SP in that manner since it lacks a true MLU feather. However, I truly miss the real MLU of my LX. Cheers, Mike. - Th

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread herbet brasileiro
--- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the features listed, I would be pretty > surprised if its street price > was more than USD800. Personally, I feel it worth > USD700 only. Yeah, and with N dropping the F100's price below US$1000 I don't think Pentax can sell too many MZS at th

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Dario wrote: > Which is their target. I see this MZ-S much like the Super-A (Super Program) > was for ME Super users back in the 80's. I agree. Then we can only wait for the LX equivalent :-) > > I'm quite sure we'll see new lenses with new features pretty soon. So there are indeed lens

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Ken wrote: > This viewfinder info looks rather strange. With such a high eyepoint (only > x.75 magnification), how come the viewfinder area is only 92%. It should be > more. > Well, let's hope that some posted specs could be wrong :-) Since I've been told by an utter reliable source that the

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Jens Bladt said: > MLU is missing, but this is only > important for macro/night shots. > So, we'll just have to use other > cameras (LX, K1000, PZ1-p) for this. I can think of several scenarios other than macro or night shots in which MLU would be valuable. True MLU is a valuable feature for

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Doug wrote: > Let the whining begin. This comment is needlessly offensive. If people are disappointed by the lack of features they need, it is not "whining." Speaking for myself, I understand perfectly well that people who shoot slides may not be disappointed by a 92% finder. I shoot black-and

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Gianfranco wrote: > Viewfinder: > Field of View: 92% vertically/horizontally > > ARGH!! > NO, PLEASE NOT THIS! > > Gianfranco > (mourning for the 98% viewfinder) This is really surprising (I guess they let the bean counters loose) and a real drawback. I

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread David A. Mann
Mike Johnston writes: > UG! > > 92% viewfinder @ .75X. That scks. > > I'm out. I'm taking this camera as a sign of things to come for a Z-1p successor. I'm seriously impressed with it, although I must agree about the viewfinder. Reading the text, it looks like

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Alan Chan
>I must say this is better than I expected. The magnesium exterior in >particular took me by surprise. I look forward to seeing the full list of >specs. So, they decided to use the more expensive metal shell, let's hope the eyepiece was made of glass rather than some cheap plastic. Otherwise, th

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Treena Harp
I've been reading over the specs for the new camera, and speaking as someone who's a little visually impaired -- nearsighted as hell, my optometrist says :-) -- I'm not too wild about the viewfinder, either. But there is a lot of other great stuff there. I thought my husband had gotten thoroughly

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Alan Chan
>Well, I don't know about you guys but I think it has the just the right >amount of features.. Not overkill...Wait, it doesn't have. ;) > >Unfortunately it's after all my saved up "fun money" went towards a blown >head gasket on my car. sigh... With the features listed

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Alan Chan
I was about to complaint that it has 0.75x magnification which is even less than the MZ-M, until I have discovered RTSIII has 0.74x. regards, Alan Chan >Viewfinder: >Field of View: 92% vertically/horizontally > >ARGH!! >NO, PLEASE NOT THIS! > >Gianfranco >(mo

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Doug Brewer
Let the whining begin. -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://p

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread K.Takeshita
on 2/11/01 12:01 AM, Paul C at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Everything looks great EXCEPT for the 2.5 fps, maybe the battery grip boosts > the fps a little? Thanks Gianfranco for the link! The camera is nice and certainly gives me plenty enough features. I am not sure if I would jump on it now as

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Paul C wrote: > Everything looks great EXCEPT for the 2.5 fps, maybe the battery grip boosts > the fps a little? Thanks Gianfranco for the link! It's odd that the specs don't say anything about MLU, but that could just be an oversight. I'm not sure I like the sound of, "In

Re: News from PMA - MZ-S and other stuff

2001-02-10 Thread Doug Brewer
Mike, Mike, Mike... I've been forcing my wife to look at every photo of this camera that has appeared on the web, so she has become quite numb to it. I could have a whole fleet of them in here and she wouldn't notice. Doug "be prepared" Brewer At 6:12 PM -08002/10/01, -=Mike=- caused thus t

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