Re: Metering Question

2015-02-07 Thread David J Brooks
dont know but interesting question. I'll follow this one. Dave On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Mark C wrote: > I've been thinking about converting either my K-5 or K-01 to be a dedicated > infrared body. I've been assuming that the K-01 metered off the sensor and > that in live view the K-5 did

Re: metering question

2010-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
t;> -Original Message- >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul >> Sorenson >> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:54 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: metering question >> >> >>  I'll t

Re: metering question

2010-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
un...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul > Sorenson > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:54 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: metering question > > >  I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially since there's > such

Re: metering question

2010-08-29 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 29, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Cotty wrote: > On 29/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>> >>> >> Yep! > > Well that's an absolute classic case - and very evenly matched up, > you've got evening (I presume) sunlight hitting the b

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2010-08-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >Yep! Well that's an absolute classic case - and very evenly matched up, you've got evening (I presume) sunlight hitting the building and even the guy's face (black T, blue cap, my gut)

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2010-08-29 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 29, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Cotty wrote: > On 28/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I think flash fill is the obvious answer. You'll rarely find a pro PJ >> photographer shooting in daylight without a good flash mounted. It's the >> best way to bring light to the foreground.

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2010-08-29 Thread David Savage
I'd spot meter for the skin tone highlights and go down the high contrast route, The structure and shadows will create some very interesting patterns. DS On 28 August 2010 23:13, Christine Aguila wrote: > I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph > people und

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2010-08-29 Thread Cotty
On 28/8/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >I think flash fill is the obvious answer. You'll rarely find a pro PJ >photographer shooting in daylight without a good flash mounted. It's the >best way to bring light to the foreground. Like this :-)

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2010-08-29 Thread Pasvorn Boonmark
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:09 AM, mike wilson wrote: > > I like the first two more than the rest.  How bizarre is that? > Me too. As to the way I would meter... I usually meter similar to what Larry suggests. - Set desire ISO, probably 400 - Set for spot meter, manual mode - Set desire A for t

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Christine, here is a number of ideas that came to my mind, numbered in total randomness... 1. All shots you presented seem exposed ok to me. 2. K7 is more prone to burning highlights, therefore you might want to go like this: a. set it to spot metering b. choose the point in the scene that yo

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2010-08-28 Thread Jack Davis
ack --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Christine Aguila wrote: > From: Christine Aguila > Subject: Re: metering question > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:15 PM > Everyone has made good suggestions, > and I aim to try all of them.  I'd like t

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2010-08-28 Thread Christine Aguila
Everyone has made good suggestions, and I aim to try all of them. I'd like to do a small gallery of this subject following the seasons and holidays. In the next month or so, I'll post my 1st go round. I see this as a challenging project, but hopefully the ole'college try will help to overcome

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2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 29 August 2010 09:55, Bob W wrote: > >> I did suggest later in my original reply that Christine should be looking to >> exclude highlights from the frame when the contrast is too great. Personally >> I would try to avoid shooting under such

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2010-08-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 29 August 2010 09:55, Bob W wrote: > I did suggest later in my original reply that Christine should be looking to > exclude highlights from the frame when the contrast is too great. Personally > I would try to avoid shooting under such extreme ranges of contrast unless I > was deliberately try

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2010-08-28 Thread Bob W
> > http://www.caguila.com/caguila/trackstest > > >>> > >>> I would shoot at the sensor's 'natural' iso - 100, 160 or whatever, > >>> which will give you the most dynamic range. Meter for the highlights > >>> and use the histogram to make sure you're exposing as far to the > >>> righ

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2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:35 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Bob W wrote: > >>> > I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph > people under the el tracks downtown. > > I would like to know how folks might meter for

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Bob W wrote: >> I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to >>> photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20

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2010-08-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Derby Chang wrote: > Christine Aguila wrote: >> I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph >> people under the el tracks downtown. >> >> I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. >> >> The 1st 3 photos were taken

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2010-08-28 Thread Bob W
> > >> I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to > > photograph > >> people under the el tracks downtown. > >> > >> I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. > >> > >> The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax > > player > >> o

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2010-08-28 Thread Derby Chang
Christine Aguila wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos w

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2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Bob W wrote: >> I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to > photograph >> people under the el tracks downtown. >> >> I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. >> >> The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and f

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2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
As a footnote to this, flash would do a lot here to bring the foreground exposure closer to the background. I'd probably start with a full measure and then try maybe a minus half stop. You won't even see it in the results, but the results will be better. Paul On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:01 PM, paul s

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2010-08-28 Thread J.C. O'Connell
com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sorenson Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: metering question I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially

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2010-08-28 Thread Paul Sorenson
I'll throw one more suggestion into the mix - especially since there's such a wide dynamic range between the highlights and shadows. Consider getting and learning to use an incident meter. Minolta, Gossen, Pentax, Sekonic are usually considered the standards. I have a cheapy (relatively spe

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2010-08-28 Thread mike wilson
Christine Aguila wrote: I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos w

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2010-08-28 Thread Bob W
> I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph > people under the el tracks downtown. > > I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. > > The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player > on those photos were taken with

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread George Sinos
Christine - this looks like an interesting project for many reasons. I can't give you any specifics, but here are a few things to think about. This is a situation where shooting in raw can be very helpful. You'll be able to squeeze more dynamic range from your images with raw originals. Maybe a

Re: metering question

2010-08-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: > I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph > people under the el tracks downtown. > > I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. I might put the camera on spot metering and use that to se

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2010-08-28 Thread paul stenquist
As expected, the k7 did a much better job of metering. I think you're about right with those. You have to expect the somewhat blown backgrounds if your subjects are properly exposed. I might shoot a test or two with multipoint metering, look at the histo, then adjust exposure comp if necessary.

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2010-08-28 Thread John Sessoms
From: "Christine Aguila" I'm going to plung into this project for the next year. I want to photograph people under the el tracks downtown. I would like to know how folks might meter for this project. The 1st 3 photos were taken with the K20D last year, and from the sax player on those photos

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2010-08-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
Christine, Wow that is really challenging light when you're using a wide angle lens. The bright sunlight beyond 'under the tracks' really biases the exposures. The first 3 shots with the K-20 are just too dark. It looks like the K-7 did better, but those blow out the sunlight to see into the shadow

Re: Metering Question

2007-09-10 Thread Rebekah
I think it looks like great fun. I love trains! rg2 On 9/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said,.poorly, it's a tourist oriented website and attraction. Why > don't you drop them an e-mail with suggestions? > > John Sessoms wrote: > > I was talking about the web site itself n

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2007-09-10 Thread P. J. Alling
As I said,.poorly, it's a tourist oriented website and attraction. Why don't you drop them an e-mail with suggestions? John Sessoms wrote: > I was talking about the web site itself not being friendly to rail > enthusiasts. Yeah it's ok for the tourists, but it doesn't tell me what > I want to k

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2007-09-10 Thread John Sessoms
I was talking about the web site itself not being friendly to rail enthusiasts. Yeah it's ok for the tourists, but it doesn't tell me what I want to know. Most of the steam railroad web-pages have a link for the real old-timer steam buffs that takes you to a listing of the equipment the railroa

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2007-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
No, it's a tourist attraction site. It's not that they discourage visitors, but they're old fashioned, no digital computers in the age of steam, (but I bet they'd love to have a Babbage Difference Engine to display). John Sessoms wrote: > From: > "P. J. Alling" > >> The Valley Railroad, in E

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2007-09-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: "P. J. Alling" > The Valley Railroad, in Essex Connecticut. It's a working Steam > Railway museum. They run a couple of Restored Steam Loco's and have a > couple of Modern Chinese Steam Loco's, (one of which they run on the > line as well, the other on display), (to the untrained eye, with

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2007-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
So far I haven't seen such a regulation proposed, nor can I imagine how it could be reasonably enforced. graywolf wrote: > Ah, but the problem is that Mr Joe Littleguy is a lot easier to regulate than > Mr Big Industry Lobbiest. Now of course their are only about 0.1% as many > folks doing chem

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2007-09-09 Thread graywolf
Ah, but the problem is that Mr Joe Littleguy is a lot easier to regulate than Mr Big Industry Lobbiest. Now of course their are only about 0.1% as many folks doing chemical based photography, but that never did stop the lawmakers from doing their thing. In fact they like it because they are not

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2007-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The Valley Railroad, in Essex Connecticut. It's a working Steam Railway museum. They run a couple of Restored Steam Loco's and have a couple of Modern Chinese Steam Loco's, (one of which they run on the line as well, the other on display), (to the untrained eye, with most of the extra metal wor

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2007-09-09 Thread Rebekah
>No. :( where is that train located? >I haven't been there in about 30 years, but one of my best afternoons as >a kid was going through that display and the museum at Aberdeen. I hope >to get back there in the next year or two. I didn't get to see the museum :( but they have this huge gun on a

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2007-09-09 Thread Doug Franklin
Rebekah wrote: > nice shot! There's a tank graveyard on base at Aberdeen proving > grounds in Maryland, have you ever been there? They don't go anywhere > either ;) I haven't been there in about 30 years, but one of my best afternoons as a kid was going through that display and the museum at Abe

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2007-09-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Rebekah wrote: >> So, I guess the best thing is to talk to a local lab (mini or >> otherwise) and see if they'll take the used fix for proper disposal >> according to whatever the local law is. >> > > Thanks, I'll see if anyone around here will take it :o) > > rg2 > > > I think you guys ar

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2007-09-08 Thread P. J. Alling
No. Rebekah wrote: > nice shot! There's a tank graveyard on base at Aberdeen proving > grounds in Maryland, have you ever been there? They don't go anywhere > either ;) > > rg2 > > > On 9/8/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This one always stands still for photo ops... >> >> ht

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2007-09-08 Thread Rebekah
nice shot! There's a tank graveyard on base at Aberdeen proving grounds in Maryland, have you ever been there? They don't go anywhere either ;) rg2 On 9/8/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This one always stands still for photo ops... > > http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_

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2007-09-08 Thread P. J. Alling
This one always stands still for photo ops... http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_disabled.html (an old PESO) Rebekah wrote: >> Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). >> > > Bull. They always stand still when I need to get across the tracks in a > hurry. > > rg2 > > On 9/8/0

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2007-09-08 Thread Rebekah
>So, I guess the best thing is to talk to a local lab (mini or >otherwise) and see if they'll take the used fix for proper disposal >according to whatever the local law is. Thanks, I'll see if anyone around here will take it :o) rg2 On 9/8/07, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If silver

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2007-09-08 Thread Rebekah
>Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). Bull. They always stand still when I need to get across the tracks in a hurry. rg2 On 9/8/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). > Paul > On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: > > > This w

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2007-09-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Trains rarely stand still for photo ops:-). Paul On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: > This was about a STILL photo, or didn't you know? > > Regards, > Bob... > > "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . > it's more like a jar of

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2007-09-08 Thread Bob Blakely
If silver oxide is such a toxin, why do we still value and use silverware? OTOH, if you process enough, silver recovery can net you some small change. Regards, Bob... "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalape

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2007-09-08 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rebekah >> >Silver is a cumulative toxin like mercury. >> > >I don't think it's such a good idea to pour used fixer down the drains. > Where would you take it then? I've heard that lots of places that > "dispose" of liquid waste like used oil just pour it down the drain > too. Is there

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2007-09-08 Thread Bob Blakely
This was about a STILL photo, or didn't you know? Regards, Bob... "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow." - Original Message - From: "graywolf"

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2007-09-08 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Paul. I might just go back to doing my own and saving a drive downtown. Its a 100 km round trip from here to the store and i can only get there on certain Saturdays. Right now its three trips, so if i can make only two... Dave On 9/8/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tma

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2007-09-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Tmax developer seems to last a long time. I used some from a bottle that was three or four years old. Seemed fine. Works well on tri-x or faster film. Paul On Sep 8, 2007, at 8:00 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > On a related note. I have a bottle of Tmax developer and a bottle of > fix, never open

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2007-09-08 Thread David J Brooks
On a related note. I have a bottle of Tmax developer and a bottle of fix, never opened and about a year or year and a half old. Its on my gadget bag table about 20 odd feet from any window, but does get the diffused light from the windows. Do you think it would still be ok. Or is it a nessesity to

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2007-09-08 Thread David Savage
On 9/8/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > nothing beats a tried and true recipe. If I make it to the next > GFM, > > maybe we can have some hot balls to munch on. ;) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCVT9lDwPM4&mode=related&search= That was a little too predictable. I picked that before

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2007-09-08 Thread Bob W
TED] On > Behalf Of Rebekah > Sent: 08 September 2007 01:10 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Metering Question > > thanks :o) that's an interesting recipe, I'll have to try it out. It > doesn't look like an actual fudge recipe - you have to get it

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2007-09-07 Thread David Mann
On Sep 8, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Tom C wrote: > Totally OT - Chocolate covered jalapenos. Now there's a > combination to be > marketed! Sounds like a > winner combining the 'feel good' chocolate effects and the endorphines > produced by the capsaicin > burn. We tried adding a couple of little drie

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2007-09-07 Thread graywolf
Heck it is easy, you hire the train for a day or two. Get a 12-15 man video crew together. Sit in a directors chair and say, "Roll um" and "Cut". I can not understand why folks here on the list want to make things sound hard? P. J. Alling wrote: > They also take detailed measurements and chor

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2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
The amount of silver in used fixer is relatively small, and silver tends to precipitate out, used developer is probably a bigger problem, it contains silver nitrate, which is still used medically as an anti-biotic. Enough will "kill" a sewage system. Still you'd have to be running a commercial

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2007-09-07 Thread David Savage
On 9/8/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've read that you can put the used fixer in a container with some steel > wool. Something about the steel wool causes the silver to precipitate > out of the solution. You can then drain off the used fixer. Not sure > what you would do with

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
thanks :o) that's an interesting recipe, I'll have to try it out. It doesn't look like an actual fudge recipe - you have to get it to 234 or 235 fahrenheit, which takes FOREVER when you have to stand there and stir it. I'll let you guys know how it turns out, although, nothing beats a tried and t

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2007-09-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/09/2007, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That sounds delicious! If you have the recipe, will you send it to me > off-list please? I add a bit of cayenne pepper powder to my hot > chocolate, it heats things up pretty fast ;) I've never actually made a fudge, not my thing really, the o

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
>I've had chocolate/chili fudge, it was interesting, the heat snuck up >fast after the rush of sweetness. That sounds delicious! If you have the recipe, will you send it to me off-list please? I add a bit of cayenne pepper powder to my hot chocolate, it heats things up pretty fast ;) rg2 On 9/

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2007-09-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/09/2007, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > whoa, bad idea! It's hard to start eating spicy stuff because you > don't want to feel the burn when you come off the endorphine high...if > choclate was included, you'd get so fat so fast...man...I think it's > capsicum by the way... I've had

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
good deal :o) On 9/7/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Capsaicin is the chemical, Capsicum is the plant genus. > > > Tom C. > > > > >From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail

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2007-09-07 Thread Tom C
Capsaicin is the chemical, Capsicum is the plant genus. Tom C. >From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Metering Question >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:32:57 -0400 > > >Totall

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
>I've read that you can put the used fixer in a container with some steel >wool. Something about the steel wool causes the silver to precipitate >out of the solution. You can then drain off the used fixer. Not sure >what you would do with the silver. Make jewelry? There are probably >hazardous

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
there's a combination to be > marketed! Sounds like a > winner combining the 'feel good' chocolate effects and the endorphines > produced by the capsaicin > burn. > > Tom C. > > > >From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Penta

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2007-09-07 Thread Tom C
ply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Metering Question >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:49:37 -0700 > >No one here says it would be easier. Further, no one cares if you choose to >hand hold because you find it easier. That's your bus

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2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
Rebekah wrote: >> I don't think it's such a good idea to pour used fixer down the drains. >> Silver is a cumulative toxin like mercury. >> > > Where would you take it then? I've heard that lots of places that > "dispose" of liquid waste like used oil just pour it down the drain > too. Is the

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2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
John Sessoms wrote: > From: > Scott Loveless > >> Next is fixer. Depending on the film and the age of the fixer, it >> usually takes around 5 minutes. This goes back into the bottle, too. >> As the fixer depletes it will take longer to clear the film. So keep >> an eye on it. There are q

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2007-09-07 Thread Tom Cakalic
LOL. Shooting any moving object is relatively difficult to frame correctly, when using a tripod or not, compared to shooting it when standing still. It's most difficult when one is shooting that moving object for the first time. However, when one has a little practice, it's not *that* hard.

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
No one here says it would be easier. Further, no one cares if you choose to hand hold because you find it easier. That's your business. I question the idea that it's "...almost impossible to frame correctly when using a tripod." ... and shooting a train was your example. This may be true for yo

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
nal Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Metering Question > > The folks operating those cameras have had years of practice, too. > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 a

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
>I don't think it's such a good idea to pour used fixer down the drains. >Silver is a cumulative toxin like mercury. Where would you take it then? I've heard that lots of places that "dispose" of liquid waste like used oil just pour it down the drain too. Is there a way to check? rg2 On 9/7/0

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Let me throw one more thing into the mix. Trains are heavy and tracks are an early and cheap form of roadway. The ground rumbles and shakes as a train passes. Your tripod is a less stable platform than you think in such conditions. Regards, Bob S. On 9/7/07, Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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2007-09-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: Scott Loveless > Next is fixer. Depending on the film and the age of the fixer, it > usually takes around 5 minutes. This goes back into the bottle, too. > As the fixer depletes it will take longer to clear the film. So keep > an eye on it. There are quite a few methods for determinin

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
The original question was tripod or no tripod for some still shots keep this in mind. It'll help. One fellow, Glen Tortorella, said: > ... I find that when shooting a moving subject (i.e. a > train), it is almost impossible to frame correctly when using a tripod. I said: > The mov

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2007-09-07 Thread Paul Sorenson
Oops - this is what happens when I start responding to morning posts in the late afternoon w/out reading all the posts first. Sorry for being redundant. ;>} -p Original Message Subject: Re: Metering Question Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:00:22 -0500 From: Paul Sorenson <

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2007-09-07 Thread Paul Sorenson
Glen - For film you don't even need a dark room. Most developing tanks for roll film are "daylight developing" - once the film is loaded on reels and inside the tank w/the cover on they are light tight. As part of your rig buy a large-ish changing bag - it looks like a pull-over shirt w/elast

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2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
Stainless spiral reels work great -- if you get the right kind. Hewes reels are the only way to go. They load beautifully. But it's important to avoid dropping them or banging them around. Paul -- Original message -- From: "Mat Maessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 9/

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2007-09-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: graywolf > It takes a pretty large changing bag to fit an enlarger in it . > I did know a guy once who had a darkroom setup in a trailer he hauled > around to events with him. > They're also not that convenient if you prefer the lift-rod method of agitation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

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2007-09-07 Thread Mat Maessen
On 9/7/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Someplace dark to move film around, (I use a closet after midnight, > but I'm thinking of investing in a film changing bag). You can get a film changing bag from B&H for $25 or so. Works quite nicely, once you get the hang of loading film ont

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2007-09-07 Thread drew
You can also do colour with pretty much the same gear, but it has to be done at a higher temperature, to get the temperature right it is easy to dunk the bottles of chemicals into a sink of tap-hot water, after 10 mins the whole lot is at about the right temp, you only need to maintain the temp

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2007-09-07 Thread John Francis
The folks operating those cameras have had years of practice, too. On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: > The movie folks seem to be able to do this with ease, but then they use a > movie head with a large pan handle and smth movements. I've never tried > it but it s

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2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote: > Equipment for developing B&W film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. > (With commentary). > > 1. Someplace dark to move film around, (I use a closet after midnight, > but I'm thinking of investing in a film changing bag). > > 2. Film developing tank, (I prefer stainless steel

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2007-09-07 Thread Glen Tortorella
I have done it many times. It is much easier when holding the camera with one's hands. Glen On Sep 7, 2007, at 3:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have no idea what you're asking. You said the movie folk make it > look easy. I tried to explain that while it may look easy in the > finish

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2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
I have no idea what you're asking. You said the movie folk make it look easy. I tried to explain that while it may look easy in the finished product, it takes a lot of work to get there. Nothing more. Peter attempted to make the same point. When shooting with a camera on tripod with a movie head

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2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I have an Acer 2720s film scanner for 35mm negatives and slides, (their scanner business was bought by Benq, who dropped the product line a year or so ago apparently), that I need to reconnect to my computer. It was reasonably priced and reasonably specifications when I bought it. I've been s

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2007-09-07 Thread Rebekah
This information is invaluable. I'm saving it to my computer for future reference. Thank you so much. By the way, what scanner do you use? rg2 On 9/7/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Equipment for developing B&W film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. > (With commentary). > > 1. S

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
You keep the train in frame the "frame" of your choice until you pass the point of shutter trip. You can know where that point is whether you hand hold or use a tripod. Regards, Bob... "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more lik

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2007-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yep. I never found a squeege that worked as well as my fingers to clear the > water. I also used that anti-spotting agent in the final bath. Can't > remember what it's called. Been out of the darkroom too long:-). > Paul > Kodak calls it Photoflo. It's basically a d

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
Whether you're handholding or using a tripod with a pan head for your still shotof the train, you still can't: 1."...take detailed measurements and choreograph the movements of the train, a camera platform and the lens zoom ahead of time." 2. "... shoot it more than once correcting for any

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2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
Yep. I never found a squeege that worked as well as my fingers to clear the water. I also used that anti-spotting agent in the final bath. Can't remember what it's called. Been out of the darkroom too long:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EM

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2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Equipment for developing B&W film in your kitchen or bathroom sink. (With commentary). 1. Someplace dark to move film around, (I use a closet after midnight, but I'm thinking of investing in a film changing bag). 2. Film developing tank, (I prefer stainless steel with PVC plastic tops, but alm

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2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
They also take detailed measurements and choreograph the movements of the train, a camera platform and the lens zoom ahead of time. Then shoot it more than once correcting for any oversights as they go along. They only make it look easy. Bob Blakely wrote: > The movie folks seem to be able to d

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2007-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
You don't need no stinking squeegee, get your fingers nice and wet and use them. Works fine and I've scratched less film that way, (zero rolls), than I have using a dirty squeegee. Adam Maas wrote: > Developing film is easy. You need a tank, a couple spools to load film on, a > couple graduated

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2007-09-07 Thread pnstenquist
And the movie folk get as many takes as they want. "Okay, back her up and do it again." Not to mention that they can get their frame and focus with the train parked. Gnerally, they mark the lens for different focus points along the track, and as the train moves with the camera rolling, the came

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2007-09-07 Thread Bob Blakely
The movie folks seem to be able to do this with ease, but then they use a movie head with a large pan handle and smth movements. I've never tried it but it seems that it would work, especially for trains. Unfortunately, good movie heads are quite expensive. Regards, Bob... -

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2007-09-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My modern film to print "darkroom" equipment: - Changing bag - Daylight development tank (16oz capacity, two reels 35mm size) - accurate thermometer for the range from 60 to 120 degrees F - timer (up to 60 minutes, seconds counter useful) - graduates for mixing and measuring chemistry - mixing pit

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