: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:32 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
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From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
The stop down metering is the culprit of falling out
Of the metering range too easy
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Gonz
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I think we know what you want John. I'm sorry to tell you that you are
not going to get it, short of a miracle. Pentax has made a decision, we
may not agree
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J.
C. O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:16 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I don't understand why you all assume its not going
To happen. That is an unknown and if enough users
Give
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Give it up will you? Locked exposure settings is manual
By any standard. If you have to push a button everytime to
Get the correct exposure its not AUTOmatic. Your playing
The semantics game
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From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a
Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL
IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has not gone to a new mount at all for any
- Original Message -
From: Vic MacBournie
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise
and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had
to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new
lenses...
I
- Original Message -
From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others,
seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to
understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however
No K or M lens owner sees this as a plus. It is a pity Pentax dropped
it. But we don't own or run Pentax. One of the advantages of growing up
and becoming an adult is that one learns to take the rough with the
smooth, and live with things one can't change.
This is a process that JCO has
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a
Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL
IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has
List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Give it up will you? Locked exposure settings is manual
By any standard. If you have to push a button everytime to
Get the correct exposure its
At 03:35 PM 9/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Who's losing their minds? Not me. I want a better pentax
Product and would be willing to pay enough for them to
PROFIT on it.
Secondly, this is pentax discuss, not pentax kiss-ass.
I don't understand why there's anything wrong about
Stating likes and
, 2006 3:58 AM
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Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
At 03:35 PM 9/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Who's losing their minds? Not me. I want a better pentax
Product and would be willing to pay enough for them to
PROFIT on it.
Secondly, this is pentax discuss
that
everything has to get worse with time. Things can get better. You are
just a jaded pessimist.
jco
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John Forbes
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:29 AM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/10/09 Mon AM 04:18:21 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:32 AM, William Robb wrote:
You aren't saying anything new.
This is pretty much a dead topic
On 9/10/06, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
Go about it. I NEVER do any personal attacks unless
Someone personally attacks me first. Youre probably
Mistaking my verbal abuse as first strikes when
They are not.
Thanks for clearing that one up ;-)
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P. J. Alling has a legitimate gripe, but remember that the K10D is not
the flagship.
Perhaps the coming flagship, the so called K1D, will finally permit
manual/AV with
pre-A lenses.
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I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not
backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so
vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't
outright agree with him. What he does not seem to realize is that we
all agree with him but are
But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you
can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button
kludge is no big deal.
It *is* a bit deal in the following situations:
- Available light low: Stopping down drops off the end of the metering
If you feel that strongly, write a letter to Pentax Japan.
I have... multiple times.
-Cory
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* Electrical Engineering
Actually, you get matrix metering with A lenses even if using the
aperture ring (And pre-A lenses can be modified to support matrix metering)
...which does not appear to work on my -DS. I have followed Mark
Robert's matrix metering modification on an old K-mount Sears 135mm
f/2.8.
Cory Papenfuss wrote:
I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on
an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care
that the identification insulators are
there... still stuck in CW metering.
That's why my web page has the following note on the lens mod page: It
From: Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/10/09 Mon PM 01:45:20 GMT
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? (fwd)
But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you
can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Vic MacBournie
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
- Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise
and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had
to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000
That's pretty much it. I'd rather see an aperture simulator, and would
even pay a mild price increase for it. But I'm also damned glad that
they gave us something, unlike Nikon (Who expects you to buy a $1699
body if you want that).
-Adam
Who also has a LOT of Nikon gear, mostly AI/AI-S
Vic
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006, Mark Roberts wrote:
Cory Papenfuss wrote:
I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on
an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care
that the identification insulators are
there... still stuck in CW metering.
That's why my web page
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Secondly, this is pentax discuss, not pentax kiss-ass.
I don't understand why there's anything wrong about
Stating likes and dislikes and desires from Pentax.
It's becaue you are a one trick
Cory Papenfuss wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006, Mark Roberts wrote:
Cory Papenfuss wrote:
I have followed Mark Robert's matrix metering modification on
an old K-mount Sears 135mm f/2.8. The camera doesn't care
that the identification insulators are
there... still stuck in CW metering.
: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:16 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not
backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so
vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people
No, there's a good reason for it: The matrix metering algorithms need
to know not only the maximum aperture of the lens (which it gets from
the ID Insulators, but also the actual shooting aperture, which it can
determine from the non-linear movement of the diaphragm actuator arm on
A
You're not one who I think sees it as a plus. There are a couple of
people posting here who seem positively giddy about it whenever the
defend Pentax's actions in the matter.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses
altogeher.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cory Papenfuss
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:13 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION (fwd)
No, there's a good reason for it: The matrix
think sees it as a plus. There are a couple of
people posting here who seem positively giddy about it whenever the
defend Pentax's actions in the matter.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I'm
It doesn't work anymore but it is still good to know that it will work
AFAIR with all AF bodies supporting matrix except *ist (and K...D)
serie (analog and digital).
MZ-S/Z1 etc will matrix fine :)
--
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*ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and
On the Ds at least, (I'll check the D later), you have the option of CW
and Spot metering with K-M lenses. Not as nice in some circumstances as
matrix metering but I most often find myself using CW anyway, at least I
have some idea how the meter might be going wrong in difficult lighting,
On 9/10/06, Vic MacBournie, discombobulated, unleashed:
I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not
backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so
vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't
outright agree with him. What he does
It diaphragm actuator may be linear in the K-M lenses in accordance with
diameter, but it doesn't have to be, for the K specification only the
simulator has to be accurate since the diaphragm actuator moves it's
entire travel distance with each exposure. As long as the aperture
stops closing
On 9/10/06, Cory Papenfuss, discombobulated, unleashed:
I was too excited to read the fine print
Mark.
Love it.
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Cotty wrote:
On 9/10/06, Vic MacBournie, discombobulated, unleashed:
I think we have to give JCO points for being so passionate and not
backing down from his position. I think he's argued the point so
vehemently that at this point he can't believe most people don't
outright agree with
: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others,
seem to see this as a plus. It clearly isn't and it's hard to
understand the attitude. Some people are nuts about it however, JCO
even attacks people who support his argument on occasion
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't imagine that anyone sees the lack of the simulator as a plus.
However, I was quite pleased when the firmware was revised to enable the
green button. That was a plus. Paul
Actually, I consider it to be less of a negative than a
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Juan Buhler
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:00 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: RE: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Wrong. The camera has metered closing down when you pressed the
button, and can meter
The way you will be able to use K/M lenses on K10D will be the same as
on my ist-D/DS. Either DOF or Green button will close the diaphragm,
take the reading and open it again. It is in fact VERY quick and
problematic only for particuliar shooting mode.
Concerning AF sensors, it has always been
Welcome onboard David.
I had exactly the same thoughts as you about metering manual lenses before I
tried it. In real life, it is no problem. After 15 minutes using it, you
will get used to it.
In high speed situation you must think a bit ahead, watching at the light.
If lighting changes you
is not done.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tim Øsleby
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:46 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Welcome onboard David.
I had exactly the same thoughts as you
. O'Connell
Sent: 8. oktober 2006 17:03
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
No, an extra bonus on a $1000 top line camera would be
A camera that could read the PK PKM lens aperture setting. That this is
Not done is ridiculous as its friggin SIMPLE to implement...
Semi
Why settle for shit for no reason?
Glass is still definitely half empty.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tim Øsleby
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:27 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J.
C. O'Connell
Sent: 8. oktober 2006 17:03
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
No, an extra bonus on a $1000 top line camera would be
A camera that could read the PK PKM lens aperture setting
It's the same old song from JCO every time the subject comes up. I think
we all know his view on this by now. I don't recall, but does he have a
Pentax DSLR?
I will say this, however, it may be easier for some to adjust to the green
button approach than others. For example, having come from
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses, and
either hit the AE-Lock (Green Button on D/K10D) and it immediately sets
an appropriate shutter speed or you use the DoF preview to get a
metering
'
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I stand corrected, silly me. My perception is obviously wrong
[slapping myself happily over forehead].
The glass is half empty, not half full.
Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
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From: [EMAIL
- Original Message -
From: Tim Øsleby
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I know that now.
From now on I will look for limitations in my equipment.
JCO.
Sorry about my sarcastic reply. The compatibility could have been solved
better, I agree on that.
But I prefer looking
Adam Maas wrote:
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses, and
either hit the AE-Lock (Green Button on D/K10D) and it immediately sets
an appropriate shutter speed or you use the DoF preview to
and manual-aperture lenses?
Why settle for shit for no reason?
Glass is still definitely half empty.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tim Øsleby
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:27 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: k10d
- Original Message -
From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple
and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses, and
either hit the AE-Lock (Green Button on D/K10D
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:43 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses
Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Because it ain't shit.
The green button hack is one of the reasons I bought the K100D to
replace my D50. Some metering is better than no metering. And that's the
choice we're faced with.
The Aperture Simulator is dead. Deal With It. Those
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple
and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses, and
either hit the AE-Lock (Green
P. J. Alling wrote:
Adam Maas wrote:
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses, and
either hit the AE-Lock (Green Button on D/K10D) and it immediately sets
an appropriate shutter speed or you
] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:43 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses
: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:43 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
It's the same old song from JCO every time the subject comes up. I
think
we all know his view on this by now. I don't recall, but does he have a
Pentax DSLR?
I will say this, however
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Because it ain't shit.
The green button hack is one of the reasons I bought the K100D to
replace my D50. Some metering is better than no metering. And that's the
choice we're faced with.
The Aperture
John, why don't you get off this particular pot of shite. You aren't
saying anything new, nor anything we haven't read from you on at least a
dozen other occassions.
The best information that anyone onlist has been able to get is that the
aperture simulator coupling is a gone, never to return.
Mail List
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
It's the same old song from JCO every time the subject comes up. I
think
we all know his view on this by now. I don't recall, but does he have a
Pentax DSLR?
I will say this, however, it may be easier for some to adjust to the
green
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Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Because I shoot DSLR's and manual bodies. Can't compare to what I don't
use. And other than the Manual
I didn't say that - just asked if you had one and therefore if you'd used
one. It was a question, not an accusation or a judgement. As long as we
are on this subject, how about cleaning up your language. There's no need
to be rude or abusive or use low language.
Look, you're entitled to your
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Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Because it ain't shit.
The green button hack is one of the reasons I bought
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Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:32 PM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
No, there is nothing to prevent it being re-implemented. But the Camera
makers in the position to do so (Nikon and Pentax
: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:42 PM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
John, why don't you get off this particular pot of shite. You aren't
saying anything new, nor anything we haven't read from you on at least a
dozen other occassions.
The best information
want PROGRESS.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:55 PM
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Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I didn't say that - just asked if you had one and therefore
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From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Pushing 2 buttons instead of one is slowing down?
I also shoot with K/M lenses, don't own as many as you, but 2 of my 3
main lenses are K/M (Kiron 28/2, SMC-M 50/2, SMC-A 70-210) and I shoot
).
Dont be silly. I dont need to go to Alaska to know it snows there.
jco
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Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:36 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Pushing
JCO - I guessing that your frustration is the basis for the strong
idiots statement.
Frankly, I don't see a lot of difference between program, Av, and Tv.
I see it as a choose the type of convenience that works for you.
See you later, gs
http://georgesphotos.net
On 10/8/06, J. C. O'Connell
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
It's the same old song from JCO every time the subject comes up. I
think
we all know his view on this by now. I
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Pushing 2 buttons instead of one is slowing down?
I also shoot with K/M lenses, don't own as many as you, but 2 of my 3
main lenses are K/M (Kiron 28/2, SMC-M 50/2, SMC-A 70-210) and I shoot
with a couple of screwmount lenses
. Alling
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:24 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I shoot a D and a Ds, and yes I have no real problem in normal shooting
using the green button/AE-L kludge with my K/M lenses. However I've
also been shooting weddings lately
, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William Robb wrote:
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From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is simple
and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses
all the time.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:43 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
It's the same old song from JCO every time
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Because it ain't shit.
The green button hack is one of the reasons I bought the K100D to
replace my D50. Some metering
List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
JCO - I guessing that your frustration is the basis for the strong
idiots statement.
Frankly, I don't see a lot of difference between program, Av, and Tv.
I see it as a choose the type of convenience that works for you.
See you later, gs
http
List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
JCO - I guessing that your frustration is the basis for the strong
idiots statement.
Frankly, I don't see a lot of difference between program, Av, and Tv.
I see it as a choose the type of convenience that works for you.
See you later, gs
on your own.
This would be a trivial firmware update, and would add a totally new
mode for pre-A lenses.
j
On 10/8/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William Robb wrote:
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From: Adam Maas
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
In practice
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From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Program mode is for idiots.
Bravo!
Mark!
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, October 08, 2006 1:11 PM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
JCO -
I think I finally get what you're saying. It's the open aperature
meetering.
I guess coming from the old screw-mount, stop-down meeting paradigm,
even though I've had a couple of more
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Somebodies never heard of HyperProgram or shiftable programs.
Hint, with HyperProgram and Shiftable programs, you have this control in
Program mode. And DoF isn't everything (Tv exists for a very good
reason) sometimes
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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John, why don't you get off this particular pot of shite.
Oh no! It is entertaining.
The best information that anyone onlist has been able to get is that the
aperture simulator coupling is a gone, never to return.
I'm
08, 2006 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I know it is a dead horse, but I think it was killed in the wrong way.
The mechanical coupler is gone for good, and there's no reason for
Pentax to reimplement it.
But a better solution could
David? David? Still there ;-)
I have already welcomed you once. But as this thread turned out I think it
is appropriate to welcome you to this world of lunatics one more time. It is
a soap opera, with live characters, and it is free.
As you can see, asking a simple question here can be a rather
- Original Message -
From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The mechanical coupler is gone for good, and there's no reason for
Pentax to reimplement it.
We don't know that for a fact. Pentax have patented a new lens mount, KAF3
that support everything. It could be marketed in a product
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Subject: Re: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I know it is a dead horse, but I think it was killed in the wrong way.
The mechanical coupler is gone for good, and there's no reason for
Pentax to reimplement it.
But a better solution could be achieved with software
2006 17:34
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Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
Why settle for shit for no reason?
Glass is still definitely half empty.
jco
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Tim Øsleby
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cheap to add but
Very valuable (to me at least).
jco
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Juan Buhler
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Wrong. The camera has
like you are by choosing the aperture setting. BIG
KEY DIFFERENCE.
jco
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George Sinos
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Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
I didn't say that - just asked if you had one and therefore if you'd
used
one. It was a question, not an accusation or a judgement. As long as we
are on this subject, how about cleaning up your language. There's no
need
to be rude
.
jco
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Tim Øsleby
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:27 AM
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I stand corrected, silly me. My perception is obviously wrong
would use MF/LF all the time.
jco
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Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:43 AM
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It's the same old song from JCO
On Oct 8, 2006, at 12:15 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Adam Maas wrote:
In practice, the 'Green Button'/AE-lock hack on the DSLR's is
simple and
easy to use. You always set aperture on the lens for non-A lenses,
and
either hit the AE-Lock (Green Button on D/K10D) and it immediately
sets
On 8/10/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed:
Don't apologise to JC O'Connell.
He is a boring little nitwit who comes onto the list every six months or
so to wind himself into a frenzy over the lack of full support for very
old lenses.
After abusing anyone who disagrees with him
. O'Connell
Sent: 8. oktober 2006 17:34
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Why settle for shit for no reason?
Glass is still definitely half empty.
jco
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I agree. It quickly becomes an automatic. I've even shot sports
action with K lenses and the *ist D. No problem. In fact, it
encourages one to think about the exposure.
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
Welcome onboard David.
I had exactly the same thoughts as you about
had these features 25-30 YEARS ago!
jco
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In practice, the 'Green Button
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