RE: For you, stargazers! -- The sky is falling! (kind of)

2009-10-09 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Even better, a Tomahawk cruise missile is 1.5 million. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: For you, stargazers! -- The sky is falling! (kind of

RE: For you, stargazers! -- The sky is falling! (kind of)

2009-10-09 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Never mind that. Think of how much stuff you find in the landfill.;-) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: For you, stargazers! -- The sky is

Re: For you, stargazers! -- The sky is falling! (kind of)

2009-10-08 Thread Igor Roshchin
Tom, Think of the price of one modern fighter plane or the Stealth. And they crash too... - and how much useful has been learned from that? By the way, - for most satellites/stations/etc, the mass of the rocket (i.e. what is burnt or destroyed) is very large compared to the payload. So, - what'

Re: For you, stargazers! -- The sky is falling! (kind of)

2009-10-08 Thread Tom C
I'm a little dismayed at all this crashing business. You'd think with the millions of dollars spent, we could do something better than junk it into the moon or an asteroid. I understand it's part of the mission and why, but still... These miilion dollar space probes must be as disposable as Penta

For you, stargazers! -- The sky is falling! (kind of)

2009-10-08 Thread Igor Roshchin
For those who likes watching the Moon falling apart. (well, kind of... :-) ) Tomorrow at 7:30am EDT, the LCROSS satellite will slam into the Moon. You can watch it live starting at 6:15am EDT on NASA TV. Also, tonight there will be live coverage of the mission as it passes L1 on the way to the Mo

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-12 Thread David J Brooks
That is why i put it under the sky is falling catagory.:-) I only read page one, and thought it was worthy of a chuckle. Dave On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:29 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to prove I have no life, (at least not on a Sunday morning anyway), > I rea

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread Jim King
P. J. Alling wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 07:32:49 -0700 > Just to prove I have no life, (at least not on a Sunday morning > anyway), > I read the entire thread at Pentax Forums. You guys should thank me, > that's a precious hour I'll never get back. Greater love hath no PDMLer... Regards, Jim

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: More from the sky is falling crowds > http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/26454-pentax-canada-close-down.html > > > Maybe this is why my calls have gone un answered. :-) I don't thi

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
The FA* 80-200mm f2.8 was mentioned. I think that qualifies... David Savage wrote: > 2008/5/11 P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> All in all a perfect example of the wonders of the internet. >> > > Can't be a perfect example. There was no porn. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > -- Vote f

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread David Savage
2008/5/11 P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > All in all a perfect example of the wonders of the internet. Can't be a perfect example. There was no porn. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, ple

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
sucky news. >> >> Steve >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Pentax Discuss" >> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:28 AM >> Subject: More from the sky is falling crowds >> >

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax Discuss" > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:28 AM > Subject: More from the sky is falling crowds > > >> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/26454-pentax- >> canada-close-down.html >> >> &

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
eve Larson wrote: > That is really sucky news. > > Steve > > - Original Message - > From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax Discuss" > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:28 AM > Subject: More from the sky is falling crowds > >

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Naw, Dave, you're just on their list... David J Brooks wrote: > http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/26454-pentax-canada-close-down.html > > > Maybe this is why my calls have gone un answered. :-) > > Dave > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Je

Re: More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread Steve Larson
That is really sucky news. Steve - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:28 AM Subject: More from the sky is falling crowds > http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rum

More from the sky is falling crowds

2008-05-11 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/26454-pentax-canada-close-down.html Maybe this is why my calls have gone un answered. :-) Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-12 Thread Igor Roshchin
Mark Roberts wrote: > People just tend to prefer what they're most used to and always > get the most accomplished with the least effort on that platform. A rather similar idea in physics (and in science in general) is expressed like this: "If someone claims that he understands some particular

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-12 Thread Adam Maas
Gautam Sarup wrote: (I created my own Mac web browser in about 15 minutes, using only tools included with the OS). Amazing. Just writing an HTML parser can take several days if not weeks. That leaves out the rendering engine, scripting, security and more. It's all there in the libra

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-12 Thread Adam Maas
I've tried DNG with Aperture, and then looked it up in the Apple Knowledge Base. which confirmed my findings. Aperture only supports DNG's created from RAW's from supported Cameras. Which defeats much of the purpose of DNG. -Adam Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:59 AM, Sylwest

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-12 Thread Gautam Sarup
> (I created my own Mac web browser in > about 15 minutes, using only tools included with the OS). Amazing. Just writing an HTML parser can take several days if not weeks. That leaves out the rendering engine, scripting, security and more. > But Window's issues are a combination of poor design

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:59 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: We'll have to wait and see how fast and good emulation of Power PC code is? I went to Macworld Expo today and brought along a couple of my own PEF and DNG files. I tested RAW conversion with ACR and Photoshop CS2 editing on the new iM

Betr.: Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Bart Van Hoyweghen
Godfrey, Adam's answer explains his preference for the MAC OS Your answer was just Windows bashing... Don't want to attack you, normally your answers are balanced, to the point, and I appreciate them a lot. Here I feel you lost track a bit. Hey, just my 0.02c, so take it at this value Bart P

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread David Mann
On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Cotty wrote: [about running OS X on commodity X86 hardware] Blocked by Apple through hardware and/or software. More info available after the hackers do their bit. OTOH they haven't done anything to prevent booting XP on an Intel Mac. They just don't officially

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Mark Roberts wrote: People just tend to prefer what they're most used to and always get the most accomplished with the least effort on that platform. Mark, I don't think you're allowed to make sensible remarks of that nature on that subject. I'm sure it's completely illegal, somehow. Though y

OT: Sky has fallen: Windows on Mac (PowerPC) (Was: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!)

2006-01-11 Thread Igor Roshchin
Well, not exactly Windows, but ... Just in case somebody didn't know, Microsoft had an OS for Mac hardware (PowerPC) up their sleaves: XBOX360 is running some MS-ish OS on PowerPC processors. See e.g. here: http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2005/05/13/xbox_360_pc_enthusiasts/1.html Igor

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/1/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >BTW: you might learn how to top post or bottom post consistent with >how a particular thread is going. Might make your expertise as a >computer professional more credible. yeah you big wuss ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O)

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/1/06, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: >And the video: >http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/ossuckscable.html~content LOL!! Excellent. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pasti

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 01:12:31PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote: If Windows was only available on as tightly-constrained a hardware platform as Macs, and had as few applications available for it, then it would be both as reliable and as consistent as the Mac is today. Windows su

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 01:12:31PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote: > Christian, > > Given the relatively extreme inconsistency of the Windows UI, it would > take an essay to detail what a regular user of Mac OS X would find > annoying with Windows. Godfrey was refraining from getting into all the > det

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Quoted from the document. (All is in italics). I think that MAC OS is an Apple product... /All/ Apple OS's really suck. NextStep is the father (or maybe the NextStep father) of OS X... NextStep sucks, but it's pretty. Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: On 2006-01-11, at 18:31, Christian wrot

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2006-01-11, at 18:31, Christian wrote: http://www.ehlke.net/os-suck.html No Mac system is listed here :-P -- Best regards Sylwek

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Christian
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Thank you, Adam. You understand. This is the Pentax discussion list. I neither have time nor want to But apparently you have all the time in the world to stand on a soap box and shout "Mac rulz!" ad nauseum spend the time required to articulate the reasons for my o

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thank you, Adam. You understand. This is the Pentax discussion list. I neither have time nor want to spend the time required to articulate the reasons for my opinion, for exactly the reason you stated. Godfrey On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Christian, Given the relativel

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Christian wrote: is this bottom posting ok? Or should I have posted at the top? Please, please, tell me so I don't make another faux pas and ruin my credibility as a computer professional. As long as the message content is consistent and intelligible in or

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Christian wrote: ohh, godders, do try to simplify it for my weak mind It's too much trouble. You're not worth it. G

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Shel Belinkoff wrote: >> I don't see it as bashing if someone expresses a preference. > >You're right of course. It is his preference. I guess I'm just tired of >the "windows sucks, windows sucks, windows sucks" mantra from Godfrey. >And again, I think wind

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Rick Womer
Okay, boys. Both of you go to your rooms until you can play nicely again. --- Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Fuck you too, Christian. meant in the nicest > possible way. ]'-) > > I never said fuck you Godfrey, but FUCK YOU now. > __

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Adam Maas
Christian, Given the relatively extreme inconsistency of the Windows UI, it would take an essay to detail what a regular user of Mac OS X would find annoying with Windows. Godfrey was refraining from getting into all the details, which is understandable. I use both. I can live with both. I r

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Christian
Shel Belinkoff wrote: I don't see it as bashing if someone expresses a preference. You're right of course. It is his preference. I guess I'm just tired of the "windows sucks, windows sucks, windows sucks" mantra from Godfrey. And again, I think windows sucks too. And Mac, and linux, and so

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Fuck you too, Christian. meant in the nicest possible way. ]'-) I do agree with you: all computers suck sometime. Windows just sucks more than most, more of the time, and does less. I've worked on every system you mention (a few others too). If you want to label me a zealot for a line of hi

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I don't see it as bashing if someone expresses a preference. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Christian > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Just curious ... how so? > > > > Shel > >>[Original Message] > >>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > > > > > >>Windows gives me a headache: > >>it gets in the way of

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
OK ... thanks. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 1/11/2006 9:37:31 AM > Subject: Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came! > > The answer is simply too complex to treat briefly. There are too many &

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The answer is simply too complex to treat briefly. There are too many things about Windows, the Windows UI, and applications that run on Windows that get in the way for me to articulate. One relatively easy thing for me to relate is my work: I do system administration contracting to pay the

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Christian
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Just curious ... how so? Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Windows gives me a headache: it gets in the way of doing what I want the computer to do more times than not. Because it's Godfrey, and he takes EVERY opportunity to bash Windows. Typical MAC z

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:44 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: I just hope that "universal" applications will be available a little longer than "fat" ones as it was during m68k -> Power PC change. "Universal" in the sense of Mac OS X is somewhat different from what "fat" in that era meant. Both t

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Just curious ... how so? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > Windows gives me a headache: > it gets in the way of doing what I want the > computer to do more times than not.

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Cory Papenfuss
True. I'm not a die hard fan of Apple, but just after working for 12 years with Mac OS computers I can say that I have always liked the way it works much better than Windows. Back in high school and through most of my undergrad, I was a die-hard mac guy. I got tired of all the promises of the n

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I guess hackers will sooner or later have a version of OSX working on any PC >:-P That would be the best thing for Apple in the long run. Their insistence on a monopoly on hardware has held them back for a long time. -- Mark Roberts Photography

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 11.01.06 16:33: > I think the key isn't that they couldn't be made to run on Rosetta, > the key is that these are high performance applications that Apple > sells to the professional marketplace... people who make money using > them. People who buy these high-end applicat

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 11.01.06 16:28: > As it should be ... the Software is really what matters. Given near > equal capabilities, the hardware matters not at all. I would happily > run Linux rather than Windows if Apple tanked (fat chance ... Apple > stock outperformed Google this past year)

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:59 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: We'll have to wait and see how fast and good emualation of Power PC code is? So far Apple announced that their own applications: Aperture, Final Cut Studio 1, Logic Pro 7.1 - will require an update, because they don't work under emulat

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: ... I don't know if it is good for Apple or not, but less and less divides PC and Macs - now it is essentially only Software. ... As it should be ... the Software is really what matters. Given near equal capabilities, the hardware ma

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread danilo
Oh I've always liked "rosetta", expecially with salam inside (this was when I was a child, and my grandmother used to "prepare" it for me in the mid afternoon. Now I'm vegetarian). Rosetta, here in Italy, is a kind of bread ;) ciao Danilo.

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Jan 2006 at 10:20, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ > http://www.apple.com/imac/ > > I don't know if it is good for Apple or not, but less and less divides PC > and Macs - now it is essentially only Software. I guess hackers will sooner > or later have a version

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:45 +0100 schreef Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Christian wrote on 11.01.06 11:16: There is one. It's called BSD. :-) Been running on my PCs for years. Yes. "It is almost like OSX. Almost makes a big difference" - just like in advertising of Polish bee

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Cotty wrote on 11.01.06 10:54: > Blocked by Apple through hardware and/or software. More info available > after the hackers do their bit. Exactly, it's just a matter of time :-) All the blocks/keys and so on are good only for average user to deny him some illegal actions ;-) -- Balance is the ul

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Christian wrote on 11.01.06 11:16: > There is one. It's called BSD. :-) Been running on my PCs for years. Yes. "It is almost like OSX. Almost makes a big difference" - just like in advertising of Polish beer "Zywiec" ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Christian
Yuan-Juhn Chiao wrote: I look forward to being able to dual-boot between Windows and OSX as well. Although I do fear that productivity would plummet, as I will be tempted to boot into WinXP for games :) dual boot? bah! VMWare! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Christian
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: I guess hackers will sooner or later have a version of OSX working on any PC :-P There is one. It's called BSD. :-) Been running on my PCs for years. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Yuan-Juhn Chiao wrote on 11.01.06 10:48: > The iMac looks great, although those of us in Europe > have to pay alot more (€1349, or $1600 compared to > $1299 in the States. Ouch). > > I look forward to being able to dual-boot between > Windows and OSX as well. Although I do fear that > productiv

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/1/06, Yuan-Juhn Chiao, discombobulated, unleashed: >I look forward to being able to dual-boot between >Windows and OSX as well. Although I do fear that >productivity would plummet, as I will be tempted to >boot into WinXP for games :) Blocked by Apple through hardware and/or software. Mo

Re: [OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Yuan-Juhn Chiao
The iMac looks great, although those of us in Europe have to pay alot more (€1349, or $1600 compared to $1299 in the States. Ouch). I look forward to being able to dual-boot between Windows and OSX as well. Although I do fear that productivity would plummet, as I will be tempted to boot into W

[OT] The sky is falling - Macs on Intel came!

2006-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ http://www.apple.com/imac/ I don't know if it is good for Apple or not, but less and less divides PC and Macs - now it is essentially only Software. I guess hackers will sooner or later have a version of OSX working on any PC :-P -- Balance is the ultimate good..

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-07 Thread Carlos Royo
Adam Maas escribió: India on the other hand has steadily been building the necessary infrastructure, and while they haven't seen the growth China has (Because they've been building infrastructure instead of just production), they are in a far better position to take advantage of things in t

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-07 Thread Herb Chong
- Original Message - From: "Lucas Rijnders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:38 AM Subject: Re: The sky is... On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:49:41 +0100, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: a couple of notes on those two articles. apparent

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-07 Thread Lucas Rijnders
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The sky is not falling (was - the sky is falling)

2005-11-07 Thread Gautam Sarup
I have always thought that gloomy paintings deserve a ray of sunshine. Problems are many to be sure but there's no disaster round the corner. > Electricity is still not available to > manufacturing industry, Day was when there was no manufacturing industry to supply electricity to. > most softw

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Herb Chong
i didn't say it was effective. went looking for red leaves today. all the good ones were on private property, so i never got any. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: The

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
ment. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: The sky is... Peter, we're now straying into military matters, which is a subject I don't claim to know anything about (si

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Herb Chong
no, they fear unemployment. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: The sky is... Peter, we're now straying into military matters, which is a subject I don't claim to

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
It wasn't, but it would like to be. John On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:32:19 -, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think Tibet was ever a 'break-away' part of China, was it? Until the most recent Chinese invasion I believe it had always been a sovereign nation (even if sometimes occupie

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
That's not the way the Chinese in Peking see it, (or is Beijing), or for that matter the old Nationalists in Taipei. Tibet was at one time a part of the Celestial Empire and by God/Marx/Confucius you name it, it will be again! There is no other reason for China to want Tibet. Bob W wrote:

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread mike wilson
John Forbes wrote: Peter, we're now straying into military matters, which is a subject I don't claim to know anything about (sighs of relief all round). You have stimulated me to look at a few statistics, and I have to say I am astonished at the size and growth of China's armed forces and

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
nt president sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US ec

RE: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Bob W
I don't think Tibet was ever a 'break-away' part of China, was it? Until the most recent Chinese invasion I believe it had always been a sovereign nation (even if sometimes occupied). -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > afford, it is C

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
a , who's current president sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is...

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
o fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer than Japans. Both economies are now de

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Given current trends, it's likely that the Chinese Economy is going to implode within the next 10-15 years, for the same reason the Soviet one did. But they still can get their act together and build the infrastructure they ne

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Adam Maas
A fair bit of software development has been moving over to India over the last 4 years. I know that computer hardware design is starting, although not in a big way yet. I can't comment on other industries, mostly because I don't know them like the computer business, as well as they didn't have

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
Adam, I just moved from India to the US (an intra-company transfer for 2 years). I beg to differ here. I don't think that India is doing a reasonable job with infrastructure. Infact, it is falling apart. Electricity is still not available to manufacturing industry, most software companies (where o

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Adam Maas
r to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but they are fundament

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
uch to do with national survival. Even Venezuela , who's current president sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but t

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: Re: The sky is... And what is the trajectory of the economy in one of its biggest markets, the US? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Tom Reese
o do > >> with national survival. Even Venezuela , who's current president > >> sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He > >> needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to > >> do with it. > >>

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Adam Maas
ill sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
ood will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message ----- From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer than Japans. Both economies are now dependent on the goodwill of foreig

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... Even Venezuela , who's current president sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it.

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
ival. Even Venezuela , who's current president sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subjec

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... Even Venezuela , who's current president sees himself as the heir to Castro, will sell Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. I th

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
l Oil to the US. He needs the money to fund his own ambitions, good will has nothing to do with it. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer tha

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: The sky is... The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer than Japans. Both economies are now dependent on the goodwill of foreign countries for survival. The peril of an oil based e

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
But you see, that's what I trained to be. I'm quite proud that I'm not an economist. (But if need be I can still find my bones and rattles and mouth a few incantations). John Forbes wrote: Peter, It is clear that you are not an economist. :-) John On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:28 -, P.

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
Peter, It is clear that you are not an economist. :-) John On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:35:28 -, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer than Japans. Rob Studdert wrote: On 6 Nov 2005 at 6:52, John Forbes wrote: I under

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
st rates up = dollar up, for the next 6 months at least. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: Re: The sky is... And what is the trajectory of the economy in one of its

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
The US economy has it's problems but they are fundamentally fewer than Japans. Rob Studdert wrote: On 6 Nov 2005 at 6:52, John Forbes wrote: I understood what you were saying. My point is that the Japanese economy is improving, and there are still nearly five months of the second half

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
Herb... - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: Re: The sky is... And what is the trajectory of the economy in one of its biggest markets, the US? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread Herb Chong
interest rates up = dollar up, for the next 6 months at least. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: Re: The sky is... And what is the trajectory of the economy in one of its bigge

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: The sky is... And what is the trajectory of the economy in one of its biggest markets, the US? I suspect it will be in freefall within the next couple of years. William Robb

Re: The sky is...

2005-11-06 Thread John Forbes
The US is sitting on a huge house price bubble, caused in large part by low interest rates, and also a distrust of Wall Street following the scandals of the past few years. To many people, bricks and mortar seem a safer investment. Low interest rates were of course brought in to stimulate

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