William Robb wrote:
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With this in mind, I am willing to donate a 6x7 negative that
produced an award winning print to a printing challenge.
What I have in mind is a sort of travelling portfolio.
You get the negative in the mail, make a print from it that
pleases you, send me the print,
FWIW
After I have processed and dried my film, I lay the negative/strips on
top of a fixed sheet of paper. If the highlights are blocked, the negative
was over exposed or over developed. if the shadow detail is missing, it was
under exposed. From those I feel will print, I go for it.
One thing I had planned on doing was to put
my home attempts next to the lab neg's and
see what may look diiferent etc.I don't know
if this will tell me much,but i'm planning
ahead anyway.
Talked developing/home printing with a fellow Pentaxian
but noy a List member last night,so it looks like
i
Hold up...why don't we do this with a 35mm neg? Not all of us have 67
carriers.
tv
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Bill,
This is a great idea! I would appreciate an
opportunity to participate in such an interesting
experiment.
Regards,
Bob
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From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Thoughts About Making Good BW Negatives
Ansel Adams
I think this challenge sounds like a pretty cool deal. Though I
can't participage (no enlarger and I've never even _tried_ doing
any of my own darkroom work yet), I'd be really interested in
seeing the results (prints and discussion/explanations of choices).
Bob Rapp wrote:
[...] Sometimes an
Dave I'm 15 min south and Aaron is a phone call away
:-) also invite that fellow Pentaxian to the TPDML :-)
. I can see the difference in my negs from the 1st
set I developed and the last 3, noticeable differences
in grain and contrast.
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One thing I had
: Thoughts About Making Good BW Negatives
Dave I'm 15 min south and Aaron is a phone call away
:-) also invite that fellow Pentaxian to the TPDML :-)
. I can see the difference in my negs from the 1st
set I developed and the last 3, noticeable differences
in grain and contrast.
--- David Brooks
Good point, Tom.
tom wrote:
Hold up...why don't we do this with a 35mm neg? Not all of us have 67
carriers.
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Dave I'm 15 min south and Aaron is a phone call away
:-) also invite that fellow Pentaxian to the TPDML
:-)
. I can see the difference in my negs from the 1st
First, making the comments was fun. You're welcome.
One of the reasons that I mentioned cropping
for several of the shots is because of a habit
I see many photographers getting into -- shooting
for the film format, not for the result.
We try to fill the frame, letting the camera
determine what
This is silly. Just because a piece of paper is 8x10 doesn't require
that the final print fill the paper. And while 8x10 seems to be
something of a standard, I believe that other sizes are standard in
other countries, like 8.5x11 ... iac, there's no reason that the
photographer must use
Shel,
I used the paper size as a way of conveying the extent of the problem, not as a
standard for composition.
My basic premise, more concisely stated, is: Shoot to get the content you want,
irregardless of resulting print dimensions. That's a matter I don't find shallow at
all.
Collin
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Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: Some thoughts related to my Gallery comments
24x36 is a 2:3 ratio.
Unfortunately an 8x10 is not all of a 35mm neg.
Some labs do 8x12s to give you what you shot
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This is silly. Just because a piece of paper is 8x10 doesn't require
: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:17 PM
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I always feel if you want to set a reserve on an item, then use that as your
opening bid. Granted, if the price is set too high, you will get no bids,
but then I suppose that means you are overvaluing
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I, for one, usually don't bid on Reserve Auctions. That is an oxymoron
to me. In an auction, the seller puts an item up for bid and a
competition between
: Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I, for one, usually don't bid on Reserve Auctions. That is an
oxymoron to me. In an auction, the seller puts an item up for bid
and a competition between
How do they split the steaks? G
Norm
Ken Archer wrote:
snip I once say a quarter/interest in a bull sell for $161,000 snip
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. If there would have been a BIN,
I'd have set it at $100 and lost a LOT. But I started it at $10 and let it ride.
Ended up going for $680.
Hope these thoughts are useful,
Collin
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Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Many people don't bid on Reserve auctions
I've noticed this and it really baffles me. What difference does it make
as long as you don't bid more than you're willing to pay? I find it really
annoying when people selling items proclaim NO RESERVE! or NR. It doesn't
make
I, for one, usually don't bid on Reserve Auctions. That is an oxymoron
to me. In an auction, the seller puts an item up for bid and a
competition between bidders sets the price. It seems to me that you
are bidding against the seller in a Reserve Auction and really have no
idea if you will
Mark Roberts wrote:
Many people don't bid on Reserve auctions
I've noticed this and it really baffles me. What difference does it make
as long as you don't bid more than you're willing to pay? I find it really
annoying when people selling items proclaim NO RESERVE! or NR. It doesn't
make
with a reserve price if it really interests me, but it
is not an auction I'll typically follow closely, for the reasons you cite.
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If I was selling on ebay, I sould go for a starting price of 20% to 40% of
what I thought was the item's value, use a reserve of 80% of value, and set a
Buy-it-now price of 125% of value
Locally there's a couple of bodies available
cheaply -- no real demand for them.
They're in decent condition, and a modest $50 each.
A-3000 and P3
The A-3000 I was familiar with, having used one for several years. A nice, solid
body.
The P3 I'd never looked at before. Metal back. Brass base
Some of you may remember that I've been looking for a while for an
economical and effective way of scanning slides and negatives - more
economical, in other words, than a Nikon whatever, but more effective
than printing them and scanning the result on my flatbed scanner. I
investigated the idea
Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
Lesson learned: Never low bid. If you have to low bid to get the job,
the hassles you are going to have with your customer makes you better
off if you didn't get that job in the first place.
and Aaron said:
Has anyone else noticed that the clientele seem to get
Yep! Rule one for business, any business, if you are cheap you get cheap
customers.
For years I tried to be a photographer that people could afford. No
matter how cheap I priced myself, my customers said I was too expensive
and were never satisfied with my work.
Then I came into one of those
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:45:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yup, and my Kiosk made over 100,000 dollars profit for the company that
you are so proudly a shareholder of. Something to think about when you
denigrate the work of others, is they are paying dividends
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
But you were complaining that Joe sixpack can't get his digital
processed cheaply... Now I think you're just being argumentative.
I've since learned that Joe can take his dinky digitals to Walmart.
In a message dated 12/6/01 1:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
I think Mafud does have a point here. There's a difference between
taking your digital camera into a department store and getting their
run-of-the-mill prints
My house is paid for, I have food on the table, my dogs love me
and I get laid on a regular basis.
I have no complaints.
William Robb
That's exactly what I've been aspiring to for years! Can I come and
visit?
8-]
Cotty
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On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:36 PM, Chris Brogden wrote:
You still haven't answered the question, Mafud. Since several of us
have
already mentioned a variety of labs--both pro and non-pro--that charge
the
same for digital and chemical prints, I'm curious as to which lab has
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 12:48 AM, aimcompute wrote:
I think Mafud does have a point here. There's a difference between
taking
your digital camera into a department store and getting their
run-of-the-mill prints back, and taking it to a pro-lab. Same with
film.
I haven't
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 01:13 AM, William Robb wrote:
In the work place, one of the things one needs
to realize is the limitations placed on him or her by his
employer. Wal~Mart is not interested in being a pro lab, the
same way they are not interested in selling Armani suits.
We
The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by
the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever
quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price in the end, and
then groused about it again when it came time to pick up the work. I
asked
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In a message dated 12/4/01 10:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree 1000
In a message dated 12/6/01 8:48:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his
lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they
are). We can only be forced to assume that he was making it
In a message dated 12/6/01 9:20:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. Or those that examine their 3 day
prints, which cost a measly $4.00 for processing and printing, even 36 exp
rolls, and want a credit for those which they don't like.
Bill, KG4LOV
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In a message dated 12/6/01 8:48:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his
lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they
are). We can only be forced to
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:49:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
So, I assume that you know that all journalists accept that it is there
responsibility to back up claims of fact that they make.
Regards,
Bob...
The questions were disingenuous Bob, meant to
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Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by
the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever
quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price
Hmmm, my isp doesn't seem to want to cooperate with message rule
8.
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Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
And right about here you're gong to tell me how you and ~your~
Walmart lab
~do~ have the facilities
The Noritsu 2102 printers that I use read the discrete DX code
off the film edge and sets the film channel accordingly. The
film is then scanned by a high density CCD camera and the
negatives are projected onto a monitor. Colour and density
correction is then manually applied to each and
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 09:18 AM, Bill Owens wrote:
I know the feeling well. Like the customer I recently had who, on
examining
her next day prints, culled three or four perfectly good (well,
average
minilab prints) and stated she didn't know why she took them and didn't
Mafud,
I don't believe the Media Specialties reference was a trap. Aaron was
asking me the prices, since I named it as the lab I use here in town.
It may be dinky, but it's the only place that does what they do.
Tom C.
We don't ~have~ a Media Specialties where I live. How then could you
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From: Aaron Reynolds
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
I've visited our outlab a bunch of times (UAF/PhotoClick in
Weston, ON),
and have been quite impressed with the speed of the new
Noritsus vs. the
Frontiers they have
Hi,
...and did you remove your bikini?
---
Bob
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Wednesday, December 05, 2001, 6:17:45 AM, you wrote:
This was introduced to me as a beverage called a Bermuda Bikini
Remover...
3 parts rum, 1 part gin, and vodka to taste.
Stir gently into a glass of
In a message dated 12/4/01 10:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with
film, until I can take digital media into a good lab and get great
results, I am not inclined to invest any further in it. Let's
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:30:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is just a matter of time,
though, and after some more years pass I fully expect to see kick-ass
quality digital come down to affordable levels
That may be years before ~small format~ digital gets
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:05:22 -0500, you wrote:
The bottom line is that the pictures cost me about $8 total and no
additional time, while obtaining superior results.
I agree that an experienced shooter with a film camera can run rings
around inexperienced grandma with a digital. And I agree
Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX.
SUX=Airport code for Sioux City, Iowa.
Bill, KG4LOV
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Single malt Scotch. Once you try it a few time, everything else tastes like
Ripple.
Chris Brogden wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
But let me tell you one more thing... :)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
You mean
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 09:45 PM, William Robb wrote:
The big difference is, he isn't buying film anymore.
Know what's going to be the first casualty in the digital vs. film sales
war?
APS.
1) APS is a lousy format, comparatively. The neg is small, and for the
most part the
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 04:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can spend my time messing wth software and printers, or I can let
someone else do that part while I'm out pressing the shutter release.
Valid points, but you *can* do this with good labs.
Yes, but the expense is
In a message dated 12/5/01 7:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX.
SUX=Airport code for Sioux City, Iowa.
Bill, KG4LOV
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Like I said: SUX :))
Mafud
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VO. Seagrams VO. Canadian blended whiskey. I thought you were Canadian!?
Tom C.
You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka,
run and gin if they're properly mixed.
chris
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On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are so assured that what fits your isolated situation and location
is the
norm, when I assure you your situation is ~not~ the benchmark for
pricing or
ease of procuring prints.
So, put up or shut up. What lab are
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:36 AM, Robert Harris wrote:
Gee, is APS still around? I thought it went the way of Apple. :)
You mean APS ended up with the highest profit margin while the
competition all floundered? ;P
-Aaron
remember, if highest market share was the same as best,
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:19:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please make sure that you're better
informed and more up-to-date before you embarrass yourself in arguments
that you evidently know little about. I am
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Chris Brogden wrote:
Look... YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO GET A PRINT FROM A DIGITAL
CAMERA. What part of that is hard to understand?
Mafud full well understands this, as evidenced by pretty much this exact
same exchange some time last year.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Chris Brogden wrote:
Look... YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO GET A PRINT FROM A DIGITAL
CAMERA. What part of that is hard to understand?
Mafud full well understands this, as evidenced by pretty much
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Speak for your part of the world. Here you get no such
bargain.
You guys need to catch up with us Canadians..
WW
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writes:
Bill is talking about WAL-MART for crying out loud. Are you telling us
that Wal-Mart is not a common store?
-Aaron
Ah, speaking my language. My wife is the front end manager for a Walmart
Super
What I want is a process to create little 4 round Viewmaster reels. g
Tom C.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Aaron wrote
In a message dated 12/5/01 1:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Agreed. That's why I'm continuing this on-list instead of taking it
off-list as I usually do. Whether from ignorance or maliciousness, Mafud
is spreading a lot of false information about the digital
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 03:20 PM, Mike Johnston wrote:
Do you mean second, after Polaroid?
Polaroid's pro materials will be around for some time still, I think, at
least in their Fuji-manufactured forms. Also, the $50 Polaroid camera
doesn't look to be easily replaced by a $400
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 03:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, speaking my language. My wife is the front end manager for a Walmart
Super Store. I'll check this evening. But you moved the target. ~You~
were
speaking of ~LABS~.
What on earth are you talking about?
A Wal-Mart
So if I took a picture of a Ford Windstar doing 115 mph with a D30, do you think I
could capture the moment the Firestone tire failed? If I got the shot, would I have
to take it to a pro-lab to get an 8 by 10, or would it be better to get double prints
from Wal-Mart?
If it showed an
Yup, but I hate most alcohols. :)
chris
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
VO. Seagrams VO. Canadian blended whiskey. I thought you were Canadian!?
Tom C.
You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka,
run and gin if they're properly mixed.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
Who wants to join my APS deadpool? Let's pick the date that Kodak
announces it is no longer supporting the format. I pick 2005.
I think they'll try and hold onto it for a bit longer. I say 2007.
chris
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In a message dated 12/5/01 1:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Agreed. That's why I'm continuing this on-list instead of taking it
off-list as I usually do. Whether from ignorance or maliciousness, Mafud
is
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:42:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And, while you're at it, what lab do you use that charges so much more for
prints from digital media than from film, and what are their prices?
First I laughed when you had the bald-faced audacity to
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
I don't take my regular film to a Wal-Mart (no offense Bill).
If it's
family snapshots, yes I do. I usually shoot transparency, so I
take
.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
No offence taken. In the work place, one of the things one needs
to realize is the limitations placed on him
In a message dated 12/4/01 1:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Besides i still think i take better film flash then digital flash.
Dave
I agree Dave. Lag time between pushing the shutter release and actuall firing
is, as you note-atrocious. Most under $500
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Digital is very cool, but a real pain in the ass.
Glad ~you~ said that! BSEG
Mafud
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In a message dated 12/4/01 1:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Besides i still
On 4 Dec 2001 at 13:56, David Brooks wrote:
My D1 flash sync's to 1/500.It helps me immensley for
critical action stuff.That is my big complain of the
p/s digital stugff out there now.Shutter lag is no good(correct
if wrong)for action stuff i do in the horsey world.For stand
alone
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with
film, until I can take digital media into a good lab and get great
results, I am not inclined to invest any further in it. Let's see...
I can spend my time messing wth software and
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with
film
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
Chris,
I wasn't arguing so much about price. It's more about time.
That's why I said that the rant wasn't directed against you. :) And
yeah, it can take a while to print images yourself... but a good lab can
give as fast a turn-around time as film,
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
Tom C.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:40 PM
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote:
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
But let me tell you one more thing... :)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka,
run and gin if they're properly mixed.
chris
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From: aimcompute
Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-)
You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it!
Until tomorrow Tom. You may well regret it tomorrow..
WW
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You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I
like vodka,
rum and gin if they're properly mixed.
This was introduced to me as a beverage called a Bermuda Bikini
Chris B. wrote:
Why does everyone
always argue that the price of printers, paper and ink need to be factored
into comparing digital and film cameras? Do you include the price of a
good minilab into the purchase of your film camera? If you don't want to
print them yourself, take the files
supervisor.
Just some thoughts, if I can be of assistance, let me know.
Sincerely and my sympathies for your loss,
Paul Gutkowski, Milwaukee
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Somehow I think that the our leaders right now do see beyond it. I've
understood
what bin Laden has been after for some time. (There is a lot of
information on the
Internet just do
that this would
work - but is it a practical way or the way a civilised society deals with a
problem?
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Somehow I think that the our
- not Afghanistan citizens, as an example).
Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA
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Suggested response: Finding, arresting and putting Bin Ladin
Nenad Djurdjevic wrote:
Suggested response: Finding, arresting and putting Bin Ladin on trial
(using
ground forces if necessary).
What not to do: Carpet bomb Afghanistan.
Aside: When the IRA next bomb someone should the USA carpet bomb
Ireland in
retaliation?
Huh? I must have missed
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:35 AM
Subject: Afghanistan thoughts
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Folks,
This came across on another mailing list I am on. Very interesting,
plausible response to What did they hope to gain
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote:
I am sick and tired of folks claiming that we are considering bombing
anyone back to the stone age. I frankly don't care who your smart
expert is.
I never asked you, personally, to care. It was a post of someone's
opinion, and you're free to agree or
thoughts
I'm passing this along just as I received it...
-- Forwarded message --
Folks,
This came across on another mailing list I am on. Very interesting,
plausible response to What did they hope to gain by this massive
terrorist attack and a and bleak picture of Afghanistan today
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote:
Your complaint is fair, and I'm the one who should read more closely. I was
wrong, and caustic in the process and I'm sorry.
S'ok. My reply could have nicer, too. Seems that a lot of us have been
on edge lately, which is understandable.
chris
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This
In a message dated 9/15/2001 8:52:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote:
Your complaint is fair, and I'm the one who should read more closely. I
was
wrong, and caustic in the process and I'm sorry.
S'ok. My reply could
I am sick and tired of folks claiming that we are considering bombing
anyone back to the stone age. I frankly don't care who your smart expert
is. He may be smart, but he's ignorant concerning the goals of war, of the
US and of NATO. It appears you may be too. I have explained the mission of
the
Bob Blakely wrote:
I am sick and tired of folks claiming that we are considering bombing
anyone back to the stone age. I frankly don't care who your smart expert
is. He may be smart, but he's ignorant concerning the goals of war, of the
US and of NATO. It appears you may be too. I have
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