God, this is SO American!
Life is dirty. Enjoy!
Joanna
Get a grip Jurriaan, not everything has to do with whoring.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Seems like it. Greenspan said the USA can't afford the retirement benefits
promised to baby boomers and urged Congress to trim them. This is a cohort
theory of perpetuating capitalism, according to which
Sabri Oncu wrote:
What is the rationale behind forcing these Structural
Adjustment Programs down the throats of countries like
mine based on such a highly dubious model?
Making sure the investors make their profits?
Joanna
Original Message
Subject: Join me in supporting marriage equality!
Date: 24 Feb 2004 23:41:38 -
From: Jill Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Friend,
I believe that ALL Americans, including gays and lesbians,
deserve the rights, responsibilities, and
I don't think most people know that.
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
In 2000, Nader/Greens did relatively well among Arab-Americans
does it help that Nader is Arab-American?
Jim D.
That's eminently sane of them.
Joanna
Shane Mage wrote:
An op-ed in the NY [TIMES] argues that since Israel's security barrier
goes deep into the West Bank it's a less than ideal security
barrier: What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian
lands. That's not an original argument but
No, it's significant even though it's only op-ed. This is an
intra-bourgeois sign.
Joanna
dmschanoes wrote:
Wait a minute-- this wasn't the NYT taking an editorial and reporting
position. This was an op-ed piece by Chomsky which does not express the
view of the editors.
So why make more of it
Yeah, absolutely. This would be the party who cried wolf...just too many
goddamn times. McCarthy made the same mistake.
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
This is a Spartacus moment.
I am a terrorist!
Jim Devine
-Original Message-
From: Eubulides [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Ultimately, theoretically, I consider prostitution as the core problem of
the whole feminist problematic, and I cannot very well get along with
feminist moralists who spout drivel about this, and vent all sorts of
confusing abstractions, rather than making a specific,
Ah hah! I'd forgotten about Viagra! Thanks Doug.
Another occupation deskilled. Oh, well.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
That surprises me, I would assume that getting an erection on demand
requires some skill -- but maybe not for the 20 to 30 crowd.
It does - that was one
Louis Proyect wrote:
I was thinking about this stuff this morning. It occurs to me that
one of
the worst things about the anybody but Bush line of thinking,
especially
from self-described Marxists, is that it amounts to a Great Man theory of
history. You have national elections every four years
That surprises me, I would assume that getting an erection on demand
requires some skill -- but maybe not for the 20 to 30 crowd.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
David B. Shemano wrote:
You have to expand your idea of what a libertarian is. Irving
Kristol said a liberal is one who says it's all
Good point. Here's another question my little sister asked me the other
day: If the popular vote doesn't mean anything, why do we vote?
Joanna
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
I gag at the thought of voting for Kerry, but I will because I think
Bush and his gang are not merely
Hari, I think you should add another factor to your list: women are not
only giving birth later, but having children in a fairly stressed state
(because of working full time until the last minute)...and having to
return to work sometimes days after delivery. Surely that doesn't help.
Joanna
Hari
It's scarier to keep the prisons in the U.S. It's like having beggars on
the street; of course we can afford to feed them and shelter them...but
then we'd lose that deterrent quality. The point about prisons is that
they make prisoners of both the people inside and the people outside.
Joanna
As a dedicated tango dancer -- of some five years -- I can't resist
adding to this. As the waltz characterized the 19th century, the tango
will surely get the honors for the 20th.
Born in the slums of Buenos Aires (and made respectable in Paris in
the 1920's), tango is danced all over the world. I
It was clearly written, but there were no surprises. I was a little
disppointed; I had hoped that he would contribute some new slant. In
effect, the article could have been written by a smart libertarian.
Joanna
Sabri Oncu wrote:
Dear All,
For those of you who have not seen it yet, Brenner has
The other reason is that more concentration make it easier to organize
labor...they're all in one or a few places. I remember reading somewhere
famous that the mammoth factories of early 20th century Russia made it
easier to organize the workers. Today, I guess it would make strikes
more
David B. Shemano wrote:
Abstractly, why does this bother you? Why do you want people to get in an airplane to go 90 miles?
Well, energy wise, which is more costly -- 100 people in an airplane or
100 people in 100 cars? Of course, there's trains too. Now, there's an idea!
Joanna
A couple of years ago, I was in touch with a PEN-L list member whose
first name was Cristobal. I have lost his email address due to Sun
server problems, and I wonder if you could find him and tell me who he is.
We had agreed that if I make it up to Manhattan, we'd get together for
lunch. I am
Doug Henwood wrote:
Or, if you want to take it further, there's Judith Butler's argument
- rooted in that silly doctrine called psychoanalysis - that subjects
are formed in subjection (through deference to authority figures,
like parents, and their successors, like language and law), and that
Louis Proyect wrote:
You mean the neurotic is not adjusted to one of the most maladjusted
societies since the dawn of civilization? Much of the time I feel like
Alan Bates in The King of Hearts anyhow.
No. I never said anything about adjustment. I was speaking about one's
ability to be present:
Ill temper aside, I agree with Carrol about the quality of the
happiness piece.
The unfortunate thing is not the overblown freshman comp style, but the
notion that in order to speak to the people one must write like this.
Not true. Orwell is an excellent counter example: a man who could write
It never was. The censors did not like happiness is a warm cunt (the
original) and made them change it. Gun seems to have been OK.
Joanna
Michael Hoover wrote:
does this mean that happiness isn't a warm gun... michael hoover
The statement, released after a meeting of finance ministers and central
bankers from the Group of Seven nations, marked a shift in G-7 policy and
a victory for European officials. The Europeans have complained
vociferously in recent weeks that the strength of the euro, which is
trading at a
Freud does not constitute the alpha and omega of psychoanalysis, just
one of its more conservative currents. For more forward looking work,
look to Otto Fenichel, Thomas Szasz, Reich, Laing, etc.
Joanna
Mike Ballard wrote:
Psychoanalysis has changed its function in the culture
of our time, in
Awww...Michaeldon't banish art!
Joanna
Michael Perelman wrote:
Do people find such contributions useful? Just asking.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Carrol Cox wrote:
There are two questions about psychoanalysis. The first one has been
answered pretty decisively. The second one has not been answered yet and
needs to be explored much more than it has been.
1. What validity does psychoanalysis have? Answer: [P]sychonalysis [is]
a mistake that
So what happens if we get into a situation of competitive currency
devaluations?
Joanna
Actually, I would love to discuss economics, only a little less
theoretically. The thing that's driving me crazy right now is that I
seem to have to study investing in order to manage my retirement $. I am
so deeply resentful of this, that my eyes cross whenever I do try to
find out anything. But
well, since you asked: not if its the beatles. ;-) we (and by 'we' i
mean me and at least 5 friends of mine) relatively younger people tend
to dismiss them (the beatles) as a bit of wishful thinking on the part
of the previous generation, dressing up the pop of their generation as
some sort of
Eubulides wrote:
Yesterday, the New York Times went back to the theme about how Wal-Mart is
a major force in China and is also pushing wages down there...
Pushing down wages in China? To what? The workers have to pay Wal Mart to let them work? This reminds me of that great Monty Python sketch
They're on a knife-edge now, imo. It could get quite ugly.
Ian
OK. So how would that play out? Being ignorant about economics, I'd just
like to understand why it wouldn't sort of equal itself out?
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
All the same, the number of prisoners in the US just keeps rising. All you
can really conclude is that Americans love to meet out punishment, even
although behavioural and criminological research shows that punishment is a
strategy that is less likely to cause behavioural
MICHAEL YATES wrote:
We will take turgid academic prose and make it sparkle!!
Bless you. That's a job worth doing.
Joanna
There's no relationship between two mothers and a sperm donor and the
problem of sterility in men. I think the point is that non-traditional
families are not that unusual in California. I'd say that's true of the
big cities; especially LA, Bay areaI'm not so sure about anywhere
else in Calif.
This is the ad that CBS
refused to run:
http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/
Go to the page and just click somewhere on the page.
...and get a load of the health plans that they all broadcast today.
It's a joke.
Joanna
Dan Scanlan wrote:
my impression is that Kerry voted against the Gulf War but not
Dubya's splendid little war because on the latter he was scared to
go against a Prez made popular by 911. This is just one
So, do you think they're rejecting it out of fear it may encourage
democracy and third-party candidates?
Joanna
ravi wrote:
Grant Lee wrote:
Online voting is fundamentally insecure due to the architecture of the
Internet, according to leading cyber-security experts.
without even having to
ravi wrote:
i do think online voting WILL encourage democracy AND third-party
candidates. i think it might also have negative effects: wasn't there a
recent finding that more right-wing conservative types are wired than
poor or left-leaning folks? online voting would thus make it even easier
to
Actually, wecould defeat this Homeland Security stuff without firing a
shot. If a sizeable proportion of people would change their name to
something Middle Eastern...
I call this the I am Spartacus strategy...for those who have seen the
movie.
Joanna
True, very true; but the show of solidarity would still stand and put
into question the equation arab=terrorist.
Joanna
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be fun, but I think those currently in the panoptic driving seat
would just re-tool their biometric algorithms to find better Principal
That doesn't make much sense. First, it's really hard to convert to
Judaism; it's not at all a proselytizing religion. Second, it would only
create another bunch of self-hating jews that no Zionist would listen to.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
Actually, wecould defeat
Good one
Michael Dawson wrote:
Q: How many mainstream economists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: Doesn't matter: They all just sit around in the dark waiting for the
Invisible Hand to do it.
I don't actually think women mind the fact that their lovers/husbands
find other women attractiveso long as they're, ummm, satisfied.
Joanna
Sabri Oncu wrote:
Ian:
The two economists in the third paragraph
seem to be Larry Summers and Joe Stiglitz
or Laura D'Andrea Tyson
Hey!
I know
Yoshie went a long ways to replying to the question it is obviously
OK to be angry at welfare mothers, immigrants, and terrorists; it is not
OK to be angry at thieving plutocrats, polluters, gulag builders etc.
It may be worthwhile for progressives to have a better understanding of
the
Eugene Coyle wrote:
If a Nixon can figure out how to reach out effectively, why can't we be
equally creative???
Short answer: because in the last thirty years we've been mired in
identity politics...rather than class politics.
Joanna
It seems, really, that there are two issues here:
1) whether to vote DP in 2004
2) whether it's important to organize something like a labor party
The answer to both seems to be yes, though I fear 2) won't really happen
until after the economic collapse.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox
Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income funds are
a bad idea going forward? If the current decade 2000-2010 is similar to
the 1970-1980 decade, which it seems to me it kind of is, why wouldn't a
fixed income fund do well?
Joanna
San Francisco Ethnic Dance Festival auditions ...is the best dance show
in the bay area. Basically for four days, dance troupes representing
dance styles from all over the world come to audition at SF State (for
the festival in June). Nearly all the dancers are superb. Theya re all
in costume and
But Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has said there is no housing bubble. And
stock strategists are also generally sanguine on the market's outlook.
Furthermore, the Fed has made it clear it will keep interest rates low
until the economy is growing briskly and the risk of deflation has been
banished.
Tuesday, January 13, 2004 (SF Chronicle)
Anti-Bush ad contest proves popular online/Winner out of 1,500 entries to be shown on
TV in key states
Mark Simon, Chronicle Political Writer
The leaders of the grassroots, Internet-based political phenomenon
MoveOn.org were surprised when their national
Thanks Jim. Especially interesting is that this is being published in
the Financial Times.
Joanna
Craven, Jim wrote:
Tempers flare over US spy-ship inquiry
By Guy Dinmore in Washington
Financial Times: January 13 2004
Survivors of one of the most hotly disputed incidents in American military
Great article on SUV's...
(http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?040112on_onlineonly01),
Joanna
In a recent SF Chron article on productivity, the author wrote:
Such fast-growing productivity is a tremendous boon for society,
economists stress. While jobs might disappear in the short run, higher
output per worker spurs growth that in the long run creates more
opportunity.
Higher productivity
good one Mike, thanks.
Joanna
Mike Ballard wrote:
Monsanto, the creator of PCBs and Agent Orange and the
world's largest purveyor of genetically engineered
seeds, has temporarily bowed out of the biopharm
industry (genetically engineering plants to grow
pharmaceutical drugs). The company says
Not that bizarre. I'm a moron at research, but the very large company I
work for (Sun is shining...Weather is sweet...Makes me want to
move...) has about seven layers of management on top of the grunts
(me). Lots of managers.
Joanna
Carrol Cox wrote:
There was an odd little news bit in the
Excellent article on the reconstruction/Joanna
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EL25Ak05.html
A friend asked me to forward the below.
Joanna
For what it s worth, I think this debate overlooks a
critical consideration: Europe and Japan are wealthy
countries that have dragged their feet endlessly on
reforms, whereas China is still a very poor
Why does there have to be a suffering contest? What is worst than child
abuse? Why?
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
There are forms of abuse that are a lot worse than child abuse.
J.
And what was your point?
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Why does there have to be a suffering contest? What is worst than child
abuse? Why?
Proves my point really.
J.
My ex and I are thinking of getting my son a cell-phone for xmas...and
we don't have the slightest idea what to look at when looking at the
various plans, cell phones, services etc.
His pattern of use would probably be weekends/evenings and totally local
to the bay area. If you can give some
I got an e-mail this morning from a parishioner about an online poll
being taken by the American Family Assn. about homosexual marriage,
the results of which they are going to submit to Congress.
The parishioner hoped that if enough people responded in favor, the
whole thing might
Mike Ballard quoted
What we found in examining diaries, letters,
autobiographies, pediatric and pedagogical
literature back to antiquity was that good parenting
appears to be something only historically
achieved, and that the further one goes back into
the past the more likely one would be to
What's the continuum concept?
Joanna
Brian McKenna wrote:
I agree with Joanna. . .if you want to get a sense of how kids were
treated in prehistory, take a look at pre-capitalist societies today
-- the Maasi, the Kung San and others - pretty good . . . .check out
The Continuum Concept
Brian
Mike Ballard wrote:
This is probably not the forum to be discussing these
issues.
I wonder why not, wife beating is a very economic issue: in those
cultures where women can support themselves, wife beating becomes less
and less of an issue because women can walk away. In cultures where
women
Because by tolerantly absorbing all discontent and adjusting the
system to take it into account, the system becomes more, not less,
stable.
Does it really? Or does it just give you another form to fill out?
It is also the contradictory paradox that capitalism
produces an ever more complex social
Chris Burford wrote:
At least Rumsfeld has had to accept Hussein should have
de-facto prisoner of war status and that the Pentagon is not competent
to interrogate him. A small victory against the hegemonist psy-ops
war.
I keep thinking that Hussein's capture and trial may actually prove to
be a
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Well, I'm sad that you're unsubscribing. We might spar over particular
issues, but I don't forget whose side you're on.
You accuse me of being an FBI agent and then you say that you don't
forget whose side I'm on???
You confuse me. I like your postings; I learn a lot from
Eqbal Ahmed wrote some marvellous essays linking economic and political
decline with educational decline.
I am fascinated by the process of the capitalist dismantlement of the
state. They do not seem to realize that they are dismantling those very
institutions that lend them legitimacy. Finally,
No, no. I think I'm just getting thin-skinned and need a break. Thanks
for the kind words.
Best,
Joanna
Julio Huato wrote:
Joanna,
Hope I didn't make things worse with my silly posting on Monday.
I read PEN-L mail on the archives, from new to old. That's not good -- I
know. I replied to
Are you saying there's no honor amongst thieves? Yeah, I think I've seen
a Soprano's episode about that.
Joanna
k hanly wrote:
It is more like a Mafia leader catching one of his former hired thugs and
arranging for some of the Mafias associates to excecute him..
Cheers, Ken Hanly
-
Dear Michael,
Please unsubscribe me.
Take care everyone,
Joanna
I don't think the argument is that we need to stop thinking. I think the
argument is that since thought is a form of calculation (the equal, the
more, the less) based entirely upon memory, we should be very aware of
what we apply it to and whether we are applying it appropriately. Using
thought to
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Personally, I never stop thinking,
although the brain seizes up sometimes. It's one of the most interesting
things you can do with your own brain, really.
What's tougher than that is to be able to stop thinking while remaining
conscious and highly sensitive. (not
Castro has a great sense of humor and gives great interviews. In one of
the interviews you mention, he is asked whether there could be a
socialist revolution in the U.S. He denies the possibility citing the
undermining power of advertising on Americans' ability to desire
something (for example,
Gil Skillman wrote:
From foot-binding to leg-lengthening. Progress of a sort, I suppose
Not at all, I think. The article just made me muse about the medieval
horrors raised up in my mind's eye by the description of this procedure
...and how these tortures are now self-imposed.
So long as we
Are there other numbers to tell us how much of this is comsumption to
physically survive?
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
Mike Ballard wrote:
--- Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The MPC was something like 104%
measured over the whole cycle. It's been something
like 99% since the early-2001
Oh, I wasn't being puritannical and Lear was just another big male baby
who failed to see that we must endure our going forth, even as our
coming hither. -- brutal but true...
Joanna
Carrol Cox wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
Are there other numbers to tell us how much
We need a philosopher to invent some adequate concept for the
below...somehow, fetishism doesn't quite cover it. Perhaps, it is
just that academics are finally getting around to prostituting entities
more appropriate to prostitution. Who knows. I become nostalgic for
those days when we worried
I fear to think of what it will take to wake this country up...or what
will happen if they choose not to.
Joanna
Eugene Coyle wrote:
Stopped at an I-Hop for lunch on the road today.
Three women, dressed as office workers, perhaps 25 - 35 years old, took
the next table.
They chatted, then one
Speaking of which...did you know that math books in Israel do not use
the + sign? Apparently, they did not want any form of the cross in their
math books. They use something like an inverted T. (Israel, a ghetto in
search of an empire.)
Truth is often stranger than fiction.
Joanna
Michael
Washington Profile News Agency
www.washprofile.org
The US is ruining its relationship with Russia.
An interview with Stephen Cohen
December 4, 2003
Stephen Cohen is a Professor of Russian studies at New York University,
Professor Emeritus of Russian politics at Princeton University, and the
author
How is it better than Netscape 7.0? Not arguingjust want to know...
Joanna
good time for me to once again pitch mozilla, the open source browser:
http://www.mozilla.org/
version 1.5 is now out and is pretty stable. has many useful features
(tabbed browsing, cookie management, junk mail
Looks like defeat to me. The local rags arent' giving it much spin or
headlines...except to offer the consolation that the tarriffs were there
to offer the steel industry time to retool and reinvent
themselves...that this work was largely doneso now US steel is newly
competitive and tarriffs
what's bottom quoting?
joanna
What happened at American universities in the 60's was
1) anyone who didn't want to be drafted headed for a graduate program --
and many of these folks were radicalized by the war.
2) the universities had to hire and give tenure because teachers were in
short supply when universities were trying
[3] Avnery on signs of change
Incident in Lisbon
by Uri Avnery
A few days ago I had a collision with Miguel Angel
Moratinos, the astute Spanish diplomat who for
several years acted as the emissary of the European
Union in our region.
And yet, giving up creativity for fear that our ideas might be stolen or
perverted would be like giving up love for fear of being wounded. The
good cannot be destroyed.
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
My problem is that I was born in 1959. There's a difference between
imaginative politicians and
Kristof ran a name this war contest in NYT. See,
http://nytimes.com/2003/11/29/opinion/29KRIS.html
The five winners, each of whom gets a 250-dinar note left over from my
last Iraq trip, are: Brad Corsello of New York for Dubya Dubya III;
Richard Sanders for Rolling Blunder; John Fell of
/
U.S. Retracts Report of G.I. s Being Mutilated
November 24, 2003
By DEXTER FILKINS
The two soldiers that had died Sunday had gunshot wounds to
the head and their bodies were been pulled by Iraqis from
their car and robbed of their personal belongings.
OK. Alternative reality show: How to Insult a Millionaire!
Contestants compete for the best letter (250 words or less) telling
upper management exactly what
they think of them.Winner HAS to make public the name of the company and
walks away with 1/2 a mill.
Three left-wing Siskel and Eberts
:
joanna bujes wrote:
I dont' want ANY messages, healthy or not, being
broadcast about. I was never exposed to any form
of advertisement until I emigrated to Paris in
63...and then to the US in 64. My immediate
reaction to it was that I felt manipulated and
insulted. I still feel that way
Doyle Saylor wrote:
My only answer to that is the whole working class is the whole working
class. We cannot build a socialist society that does not acknowledge all
the different elements that build a society and builds a whole society.
Thanks,
Doyle
Well put.
Joanna
Carrol Cox wrote:
As Lou says, a revolutinary party that
did not expel Melvin would not be a revolutionary party.
Well, if a specific revolutionary party sought human liberation
irrespective of wether that human was straight or gay, I assume Melvin
would not join this party.
Solidarity is
Haven't read Nizan yet, but maybe the Iraq campaign was more of a
Goldfinger move. Remember Goldfinger? He wanted to render all the gold
in Fort Knox radioactive so that _his_ gold would be worth more.
One view of the war holds that it was over control of oil. This
translates in a lot of people's
ravi wrote:
what is the working class, in terms of unique characteristics or use
characteristics that help lend it definition? i am truly puzzled: i go
to work each day. i am part of the yuppie privileged class. there's a
guy wearing a union t-shirt who installs furniture in my building. am i
in
Maybe you mean domesday book
[TR Introduction] The first approach to a modern assessment roll or
cataster is the well known Domesday Book. The existing literature on
this remarkable memorial is so extensive, that it has not appeared
advisable to quote largely from it. Our first quotation contains
From: Sebnem Oguz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Middle East Socialists Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,Discussions on
the Socialist Register and its articles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MESN] Fw: Terror blasts in Istanbul :atrocities aid Bush's war on
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:40:04 -0500
Melvin wrote:
Personally, I abhor homosexuality and feel no compulsion whatsoever to
explain why I think a man penis should be place in a women and not another man. I am
not required to explain my ideology.
Actually, there is no such thing as a man's penis, right? I mean
there's your penis, which
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