Release 52 of CHI back-end

2018-07-20 Thread David Cantrell
't be please also let me know. -- David Cantrell David Cantrell System Architect The Hut Group<http://www.thehutgroup.com/> Tel: Email: david.cantr...@uk2group.com<mailto:david.cantr...@uk2group.com> For the purposes of this email, the "company" means The Hut Group Limi

Re: CPANifying our test framework - or parts of it

2016-09-12 Thread David Cantrell
ty). It's pretty powerful. For checking deeply nested data structures in XML I like XPath. Data::DPath appears to allow similar syntax for inspecting perl data structures. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic Just because it is possible to do this sort of thing in the En

Re: Communicating between processes in test suite run

2015-04-27 Thread David Cantrell
. > Even considering Win32 out of the picture, is lsof working > in the same way for every OS where perl is running? Never mind working - is it even installed? -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence You are so cynical. And by "cynical", of course

Re: Coveralls.io

2015-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 01:56:45PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:42:32AM +0000, David Cantrell wrote: > > Coveralls appears to only count the number of statements hit and not > > look at whether my tests cover all the conditions in my code. > > Does a

Coveralls.io

2015-03-20 Thread David Cantrell
to turn this on? Or is it a limitation of the website and/or the Devel::Cover::Report::Coveralls module? -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" comparative and superlative explained: worse, worser, worsest, worsted, wasted

Re: HTTPS, CPAN, and dist integrity

2015-02-04 Thread David Cantrell
normal tools "just work" The latter is really important. It lets companies add their non-public code to a CPAN mirror-a-like. It lets you "pin" some of your dependencies to particular versions. It lets you do things like the cpXXXan. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal El

Re: anyone want to adopt Test::Tester?

2014-06-26 Thread David Cantrell
ls are in > > https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=96719 I understand that Test::Builder::Tester is the way to go these days - and it's distributed with Test::Builder, so incompatibilities should never* happen. * yeah right -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Perl and Jenkins

2014-05-08 Thread David Cantrell
Is anyone here skilled in the mysterious arts of bashing perl, github, javascript and jenkins together? My lovely employers are looking for someone to help us with about a week's work in London - please contact me off-list if you might be interested. -- David Cantrell

Re: Discussion/request on Test::More , have it add t/lib to @INC if -d

2014-01-31 Thread David Cantrell
exist. $ cat t/lib/MyPackage.pm package MyPackage; sub import { print "import() was called\n" } 1; $ perl -e 'use t::lib::MyPackage;' $ perl -e 'use lib "t/lib";use MyPackage;' import() was called There may be other hidden weirdness that I&

Re: Test::Simple 1.0!!! (plus 0.001001001)

2013-10-31 Thread David Cantrell
eful, but I don't think you've got anything to worry about. What makes things twitchy is modules changing from using numbers to using anything else for their versions, such as v1.2 or 1.2.3, or vice versa. -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age Hail Caesar! Those about to vi ^[ you!

Re: QA for Perl

2013-07-31 Thread David Cantrell
ever worked on safety-critical systems! -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla.

Re: How might we mark a test suite isn't parallalizable?

2013-05-07 Thread David Cantrell
ation. * second, we don't just deploy from dev to live. We have a staging environment in which real people hammer on the application. Ideally, they'll record what they do and create repeatable tests completely independently of the developers. -- David Cantrell | semi-evolved ape-thing You don't need to spam good porn

Re: How might we mark a test suite isn't parallalizable?

2013-05-03 Thread David Cantrell
t when you're not running under Jenkins. Like when you're writing and testing your code. You still need to start testing from a known state each time, which means you must clean out the database at startup. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire Nuke a disabled unborn gay baby whale for JESUS!

Re: How might we mark a test suite isn't parallalizable?

2013-05-03 Thread David Cantrell
you can't have your tests clean up after themselves. For two reasons. First, that means you have to scatter house-keeping crap all over your tests. Second, if you have a test failure you want the results to be sitting there in the database to help with debugging. -- David Cantrell | ev

BUG: Code outside named subroutines is invisible to Devel::Cover

2013-03-21 Thread David Cantrell
Raised as github issue 51: https://github.com/pjcj/Devel--Cover/issues/51 -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig 23.5 degrees of axial tilt is the reason for the season

Re: Using NYTProf for code coverage?

2013-02-27 Thread David Cantrell
: * neither $foo nor $bar are true; * $foo is false, $bar is true; * $foo is true and we don't care about $bar I'm surprised that you can bet NYTProf working but not Cover - in my experience, they either both work easily or both fail horribly. -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactio

Re: Running perl from a test on Windows

2013-01-15 Thread David Cantrell
you'll find that Cygwin and Win32 use different quoting conventions anyway, as Cygwin will use /some/path/bin/sh vs Win32 using cmd.exe. Which is why you should avoid the shell entirely. -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness The word "urgent" is the moral o

Re: Running perl from a test on Windows

2013-01-15 Thread David Cantrell
y_ on Windows. But I need > it work for everything (and the double quotes on Linux will cause any > variables in my perl code to get intepreted by the shell. :-/ Use the multi-argument form of system() to avoid all shell nastiness, and use Capture::Tiny to catch its output. -- David Cantr

Gah! Can't get that last 0.9% test coverage!

2012-12-07 Thread David Cantrell
NESS_PERL_SWITCHES=-MDevel::Cover make test' so any child processes should be "infected" by that environment variable. Anyone got any clues? -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness

Re: Devel::Cover and subroutine attributes

2012-12-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:32:00PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02:00PM +0000, David Cantrell wrote: > > Devel::Cover breaks my tests! > Oops, sorry. > > ... > > If you fancy adding it to github > (https://github.com/pjcj/Devel--Cover/issues?

Devel::Cover and subroutine attributes

2012-11-29 Thread David Cantrell
anyone else seen this before and have a work-around? Or got a Clue for me on where to start patching Devel::Cover? -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic Irregular English: ladies glow; gentlemen perspire; brutes, oafs and athletes sweat

Re: RFC: Devel::Mockable and Devel::Mock::Generic::InterfaceTester

2012-10-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 03:29:27PM -0700, Karen Etheridge wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 04:05:05PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > I'm liberating some code that we use at work. A first cut at CPAN- > > ising it is here (yes, I know it has no tests yet): > > http

RFC: Devel::Mockable and Devel::Mock::Generic::InterfaceTester

2012-10-25 Thread David Cantrell
mocking things that might feed data *into* your code, whereas mine is aimed more at testing how you call those other things in the first place. Also I think that my code's interface is nicer :-) -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness All praise the Su

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report June 2012

2012-07-10 Thread David Cantrell
over.com/latest/index.html which is redirected to from > http://cpancover.com but I need to come up with a main page linking to > the available versions and perhaps some way of keeping links alive for a > reasonable amount of time. Ooh, shiny! Feature request: some way of easily seeing just my di

Re: Need suggestions for terminology

2011-12-06 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 06:21:13PM -0600, brian d foy wrote: > In article <20111205154758.gh17...@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>, David > Cantrell wrote: > > There's at least one other significant difference: CPAN has an > > up-to-date index. BackPAN doesn't. >

Re: Need suggestions for terminology

2011-12-05 Thread David Cantrell
N, and DarkPAN are all specific types of > "repositories". So I need a name for that type. I guess "PAN" could be an > option. FWIW, there's at least two other types of repository: * MiniCPAN * cpXXXan MiniCPANs contain *only* what's in the

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-28 Thread David Cantrell
ule is for the use of Test::Builder2 only. You should not use it. It is subject to arbitrary incompatible changes from one version to another. =cut -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist Aluminum makes a nice hat. All paranoids will tell you that. But what most do not know

Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-21 Thread David Cantrell
st files will get run in the same perl process, so that 0.07 second hit will be a one-off for many instances of 'use Test::More'. If you like, I can benchmark the new Test::More/Builder against our code and we can see whether the slowdown is *really* significant or not. -- David Can

Re: Discuss change of namespace Test::Builder2 -> TB2?

2011-11-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:13:45PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Besides, "tee bee two" rolls off the mouth nicely and TB:: is a bit too short. Also I'd expect TB::* to be something to do with tuberculosis. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire Vegetaria

Re: Problem with running lots of tests (I think)

2011-11-02 Thread David Cantrell
ailure? Well, if it does turn out that having a single blah.t file take "too long" is the problem, then you could just split it into blah-pt1.t, blah-pt2.t, ... -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig Eye have a spelling chequer / It came with my pea sea It planely marques four my

Re: Problem with running lots of tests (I think)

2011-11-01 Thread David Cantrell
#x27;s probably something to do with output buffering. > OTOH, the test itself is spitting out > "ok"s at what is most likely a furious rate ... it's just that > Test::Harness is eating them all. And what, dare I ask, constitutes a > "kick&q

Re: Problem with running lots of tests (I think)

2011-11-01 Thread David Cantrell
Every so often I check on them, and if one of them appears to have got stuck I give it a kick. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H. L. Mencken

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-06-01 Thread David Cantrell
as. This could happen because you've got locally applied patches which the upstream author hasn't yet applied, or if you've not yet released the latest version of something to the CPAN, for example. -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat Seven o'clock in the morning is something that happens to those less fortunate than me

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-05-25 Thread David Cantrell
their own bugs; second, you should probably address those failures in order, meaning that that work stream will eventually get blocked entirely when something like Catalyst has an incompatible change that completely fucks your application over; third, what do you do about dists which fail their own tests but

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-05-24 Thread David Cantrell
CPAN.pm would resolve to ... http://example.com/perl/5.8.8/asat/2008-05-04Z11:43:22/authors/id/distcontaining/::Crypt::DH which, apart from the annoying 'authors/id/' in the middle, which could be trivially dealt with using mod_rewrite, looks deliciously RESTish. -- David Can

Re: RFC: Private CPAN In A Box

2011-05-20 Thread David Cantrell
storage and CPU * provides free ponies and kittens -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

Re: Hunspell: requiring an external library as dependency

2010-09-08 Thread David Cantrell
ng a custom C function for probing libraries' internals as well as just checking that a library exists and can be linked. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" We found no search results for "crotchet". Did you mean "crotch"?

Looking for a Devel::CheckLib maintainer

2010-08-11 Thread David Cantrell
be blunt, I don't care to learn. So I'd like to find someone to take over maintenance, fix the bugs, be able to test it on both Windows (Cygwin, MSVC and ideally Borland too) and Unix, and get a release out. If you know VMS (for which it has no support at all) then all the better! Any vol

Re: cascading used-by metrics on CPANTS?

2010-08-10 Thread David Cantrell
7;s a nasty crude hack, but patches are welcome! The password for git is the same as the username, cos I couldn't persuade Linux and ssh to permit no password at all. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" The Law of Daves: in any gathering of tech

Re: Discourage use_ok?

2009-11-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:29:20PM -0600, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > * On Mon, Nov 09 2009, David Cantrell wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:41:21AM +0100, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 02:24:11AM -0800, Ovid wrote: > >> > Thinking

Re: Discourage use_ok?

2009-11-10 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:15:52PM -0500, Erik Osheim wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:32:18PM +0000, David Cantrell wrote: > > Why not test that the script *works*, not just that it compiles? > That's a good idea. Maybe something like run_ok()? No, test that it does what i

Re: Discourage use_ok?

2009-11-09 Thread David Cantrell
ave very little meat that needs testing (since > most of the work is done in the modules), but that one would at least > check that they compile. Why not test that the script *works*, not just that it compiles? -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic Irregular Eng

Re: Dependent testing

2009-08-13 Thread David Cantrell
ithin a script being run as a child of CPAN.pm being a bit dodgy, but I guess that that doesn't matter if this is only run when you 'make* test' by hand. Probably worth noting in the docs though when you release it seperately. * for values of make that might be spelt ./Build -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Re: standard for internal-only tests?

2009-08-05 Thread David Cantrell
Elliot Shank wrote: > David Cantrell wrote: >> The normal way is to have them skip unless some magic environment >> variable is set. > Perl::Critic used to do this and then we'd get bug reports from people > who used the same environment variables to run their author te

Re: standard for internal-only tests?

2009-07-31 Thread David Cantrell
The normal way is to have them skip unless some magic environment variable is set. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive PERL: Politely Expressed Racoon Love

Re: Cpan Dist Layout Issue

2009-05-18 Thread David Cantrell
nning as the wrong user. And that happens rather more often than stuff not installing because it's broken but passed its tests. I'd worry about false positives. * at least not for users. It would presumably require a bit more code in CPAN::Reporter etc. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive I'm in retox

Re: masking installed versions when running tests

2009-05-12 Thread David Cantrell
assumption for all the automated cpan testers out there. If I > can, then I agree, it makes things easier. I think it's a safe assumption to make. Testers generally just do whatever CPAN.pm or CPANPLUS would do, they just record and parse the results instead of throwing them away.

Re: masking installed versions when running tests

2009-05-12 Thread David Cantrell
;s why I hacked support for hiding modules from child processes into Devel::Hide instead of releasing Yet Another Module Hiding Module to do it. -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

Re: masking installed versions when running tests

2009-05-06 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:15:38PM -0400, David Golden wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > >> That's true, but this isn't just about testing libs - it's any lib I > >> might delete from the distribution. > > You want Devel:

Re: masking installed versions when running tests

2009-05-06 Thread David Cantrell
use they'll come before Devel::Hide's magic in the @INC search path. That's basically a lucky side-effect of how it works, and is documented under "caveats", but I don't imagine it'll change, as to fix that would require (even more) Dark Magic. Probably tieing @INC, if that's possible. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice EIN KIRCHE! EIN KREDO! EIN PAPST!

Re: Test::More::does_ok()

2009-04-08 Thread David Cantrell
ss::Trait to fall in line with the 5.10 way of doing it. How about a little Test::Moose module that exports the function you need and translates it into something that Test::Mo(st|re) understands. -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig You can't judge a book by its cover, unless you're a religious nutcase

Re: Informal "'make test'" on production poll

2009-03-26 Thread David Cantrell
rent interesting ways in which processes trample on each others' temp files. But the software should be the same. That's what a package manager is for, and why you don't 'Makefile.PL;make;make install' on live, you do that in dev and test, create a package, install that on

Re: done_testing()

2009-02-05 Thread David Cantrell
; ok(...); } done_testing(); -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" You don't need to spam good porn

Re: What's the common denominator in these NYTProf failures?

2009-01-28 Thread David Cantrell
27;-de -Duse64bitall -Dusethreads', I have intsize=4 (but longsize=8 and ivtype=long), so I'm not sure if my perl is truly 64 bit or not. http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2009/01/msg3116778.html -- header FROM_DAVID_CANTRELLFrom =~ /david.cantrell/i describe FROM_D

Re: What's the common denominator in these NYTProf failures?

2009-01-28 Thread David Cantrell
architecture *-thread-multi-64int. There is also one pass with that, but that's also the only result for perl 5.8.7. This tool will convert from a report id to the tester's email address, hopefully one of them will be able to help you: http://stats.cpantesters.org/cpanmail.html -- David Ca

Re: Let us stop rehashing plans

2009-01-26 Thread David Cantrell
+4 # Testing individual feeds ok 3 ok 4 ok 5 ok 6 ... Although presumably it's up to Test::Something to turn my "plan four more tests" into "3..6" so from the user's point of view they're the same. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

Re: Perl 6 and Test.pm's skip() function

2009-01-23 Thread David Cantrell
such as this one: > http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/TestFAQ#How_do_I_update_the_plan_as_I_go.3F Nice! Ugly as hell, but nice. Thanks! -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david It wouldn't hurt to think like a serial killer every so often. Purely for purposes of prevention, of course.

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

2008-10-30 Thread David Cantrell
tools are just wrappers around the normal test harnesses. It's those that would need to ignore xt/. Which, I believe, is what they do anyway. -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness [OS X] appeals to me as a monk, a user, a compiler-of-apps, a sometime coder,

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

2008-10-28 Thread David Cantrell
saying "DCANTRELL didn't include a changelog in some of his distributions, we think that's bad because ..." is called Constructive Criticism. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm paying any attention, but at least I haven't dismissed CPANTS as the work of ill-mannere

Re: Generic test database

2008-10-09 Thread David Cantrell
cruft left on your system *and* better testing for databasey modules. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire NANOG makes me want to unplug everything and hide under the bed -- brian d foy

Re: Generic test database

2008-10-08 Thread David Cantrell
http://search.cpan.org/src/DCANTRELL/Class-DBI-ClassGenerator-1.01/t/mysql_create_db.pl I've not (yet) bothered with PG, Oracle etc. When I need them, I'll probably extract it out into a nice neat Test::something module with a bunch of database-specific back-ends. -- David Cantrell | Nth greates

Re: [PATCH] ExtUtils::MakeMaker and world writable files in dists

2008-09-29 Thread David Cantrell
gh. Probably better, and easier, to just make it use Archive::Tar, and patch that if necessary. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice Today's previously unreported paraphilia is tomorrow's Internet sensation

Devel::CheckOS support for MirOS BSD

2008-09-29 Thread David Cantrell
Before I upload it to the CPAN, could I ask if someone using MirOS BSD could check that this release candidate detects it correctly? http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/private/Devel-CheckOS-1.44.tar.gz It should detect it as: MirOSBSD Unix OSFeatures::POSIXShellRedirection -- David

Re: [RFC] Dealing with World-writable Files in the Archive of CPAN Distributions

2008-09-25 Thread David Cantrell
the concern. My question is, considering that I work > on a Windows machine, and have all the normal Windows tools + bsdtar > that I installed for packing modules, how do I pack the module so it's > directories won't be world writable? -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrel

Re: Archive::Tar does not behave like gnu tar

2008-09-24 Thread David Cantrell
N.pm - well, they'll be no worse off than they are now. The only possible problem is that one of its pre-reqs isn't pure perl - but that's a compression library thing, so could be made into an optional pre-req, falling back to the local gzip if necessary. -- David Cantrell | A ma

Re: Archive::Tar does not behave like gnu tar

2008-09-24 Thread David Cantrell
[blocksize] file ... Solaris $ /usr/bin/tar --help | grep no-same-permissions Usage: tar {c|r|t|u|[EMAIL PROTECTED] [blocksize] [tarfile] [size] [exclude-file...] {file | -I include-file | -C directory file}... -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence Stepped on something

Re: Archive::Tar does not behave like gnu tar

2008-09-23 Thread David Cantrell
what these tars do: NetBSD FreeBSD Irix Solaris They all appear to be different - at least, they all respond differently to 'tar --help'. This would tend to indicate to me that the solution is "use Archive::Tar". Someone should also test using GNU tar on Cygwin a

Re: [RFC] Dealing with World-writable Files in the Archive of CPAN Distributions

2008-09-22 Thread David Cantrell
situation instead of just having a blanket "no". A security-conscious admin would know that security ain't binary. -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence Compromise: n: lowering my standards so you can meet them

Re: [RFC] Dealing with World-writable Files in the Archive of CPAN Distributions

2008-09-22 Thread David Cantrell
t be the default. Spurious failures are annoying. And remember, not everyone creates their tarballs on a platform to which Unix permissions map well. eg, Windows users. -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence I caught myself pulling grey hairs out of my beard. I'm definitely not going grey, but I am going vain.

Re: CPAN Testers - Author Notification System

2008-09-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:17:41PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( My understanding of The Plan is that you will be able to get them back "soon", once that bit is written. -- David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Minis

Re: CPAN Testers - Author Notification System

2008-09-11 Thread David Cantrell
ot;? > for "L"... I got nothing. I spent far more time than I should have trying to work 'Liturgy' into it. It's probably a good thing that I failed. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders"

Re: reasonable reporting

2008-09-08 Thread David Cantrell
Time again, you'll just see a tiny little red tick at the right hand edge of the green bar that's currently at the top of this page: http://www.cpantesters.org/show/DateTime.html#DateTime-0.4304 or maybe you won't, cos the overwhelming number of passes would still swamp it, just l

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-08 Thread David Cantrell
hankfully, unlike in personal relationships, politely asking a CPAN-tester "WTF?" won't get you slapped. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic In this episode, R2 and Luke weld the doors shut on their X-Wing, and Chewbacca discovers that his Ewok girlfriend is really just a Womble with its nose chopped off.

Re: passing the baton onwards (was Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it))

2008-09-08 Thread David Cantrell
aintenance of it. That's how I ended up with Data::Compare. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist Aluminum makes a nice hat. All paranoids will tell you that. But what most do not know Is reflections will show On the CIA's evil landsat.

Re: Module::Build 0.2809 release coming, should we test it?

2008-09-05 Thread David Cantrell
Do you have a more recent dev release than what's on the CPAN right now? -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" All principles of gravity are negated by fear -- Cartoon Law V

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-04 Thread David Cantrell
x27;t make mistakes, people will still think I have. Everyone makes mistakes when they're doing a boring job, doubly so without the prospect of reward. So anyone who insists that I read every report I send to them will just get no reports from me. Again, all you have to do to stop me sending yo

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-04 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 06:50:37PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:09:20AM -0700, chromatic wrote: > > I fail to understand ... > that much is obvious > [etc] My apologies chromatic, I shouldn't have lost my temper and said that. -- David Cantrell |

Re: The relation between CPAN Testers and quality (or why CPAN Testers sucks if you don't need it)

2008-09-04 Thread David Cantrell
some appreciation for how you're coming across here. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive Perl: the only language that makes Welsh look acceptable

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
response to my analysis that they'd not be doing anything is another case of "I don't care why it happens". (Actually we didn't make widgets - we made things that tell other things where to go Boom. Scary.) -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age All childre

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:00:49AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote: > > [git comment in tarballs] > CPAN 1.92_64 is uploaded with a workaround for broken tar > implementations. Thanks, that appears to work. At least, it Does The Right Thing for perl-ldap-0.37. -- David Cantrell | A

Re: git tarballs / tarfile comments

2008-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 06:21:34PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from Jan Dubois > >On Tue, 02 Sep 2008, David Cantrell wrote: > >> $ tar tzvf perl-ldap-0.37.tar.gz > >> ?rw-rw-rw- root/root52 2008-08-28 12:52:15 pax_global_header > >>unknown file t

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 04:38:20PM -0500, Graham Barr wrote: > On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:10 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > >>I already know that my distributions don't work if you don't > >>install the > >>dependencies > >I'm pretty damned sure that

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 04:38:20PM -0500, Graham Barr wrote: > On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:10 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > >>I already know that my distributions don't work if you don't > >>install the > >>dependencies > >I'm pretty damned sure that

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
e useful for figuring out which module I should depend on - eg, if two modules both provide the function I need, I'll prefer the one that doesn't suffer from "all the world's a Free Unix" disease because I want my code to run on Solaris as well). It is *more* useful as a modul

Re: I Want to ignore cpan-testers

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 03:17:56PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > Can the cpan-testers please get a dedicated list that is not perl-qa? It's called [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence Blessed are the pessimists, for they test their backups

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
7; and no, that's not an artificial CPAN-testers-only situation. In fact, that's exactly what I type at work to install modules. The solution there, BTW, is to use $^X or Probe::Perl. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:41:08AM -0700, chromatic wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2008 07:11:12 David Cantrell wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 05:26:11PM -0700, chromatic wrote: > > > (Step three is probably to stop rewarding people for sending ever-more > > >

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
;t locate method" and just assume that your module is broken. And that by extension, *perl* is broken. They're wrong, but that doesn't matter. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" Erudite is when you make a classical allusion to a feather. Kinky is when you use the whole chicken.

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 05:26:11PM -0700, chromatic wrote: > (Step three is probably to stop rewarding people for sending ever-more reports > and start rewarding people for sending *useful* reports.) There's a reward? Damn, I'd better automate more stuff! -- David Cantre

Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
contact the tester responsible and suggest that they default to *not* sending reports for PL and make failures. The vast majority of such failures are because of deficiencies - such as missing third-party binaries - in the tester's environment and so shouldn't be reported. -- David Cantrell | h

Re: random thought regarding the discussion of the formatting of ascii-art

2008-08-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 11:43:00AM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from David Cantrell > > Please don't take focus away from the window I'm working in.  Please > > don't cover up any of the many windows I've carefully arranged so that > > I can see everyth

Re: random thought regarding the discussion of the formatting of ascii-art

2008-08-07 Thread David Cantrell
nnection between them will still be irritatingly slow, because I'm using ADSL and not a local 100Mbps LAN. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice Irregular English: you have anecdotes; they have data; I have proof

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 02:42:55PM +0100, Andy Armstrong wrote: > On 1 Jul 2008, at 14:35, David Cantrell wrote: > >Even if you had the source code, it would still be up to him to add > >your patch to the copy of the code that runs that particular site. In > >reality, if

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:48:28PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > Right. Which is another reason I've started up rethinking-cpan ... How do I subscribe to that list? -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age I apologize if I offended you personally, I intended

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
it.) Even if you had the source code, it would still be up to him to add your patch to the copy of the code that runs that particular site. In reality, if people suggest things, and he thinks they're a good idea, then he does them. Especially if it's something as simple as adding a link

Re: The evil t/pod.t recap

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 04:27:17PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from David Cantrell > >> If you truly have *the* Evil Cargo-Culted t/pod.t (which has been > >> previously discussed here and elsewhere), it fails spuriously for > >> some users

Re: The uselessness of arbitrary Metric gaming

2008-06-30 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 03:56:42PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from David Cantrell > >I favour the latter, although I find that having the Evil Cargo-Culted > >t/pod.t in my distributions is rather useful for finding bugs before I > >release my code so I'm gonna c

Re: The uselessness of arbitrary Metric gaming

2008-06-30 Thread David Cantrell
chromatic wrote: On Monday 30 June 2008 15:03:14 David Cantrell wrote: Surely you can at least check that all POD is "well-formed" without running any code from the distribution in question? Sure, but that's a very different question from "Did the author write usefu

Re: The uselessness of arbitrary Metric gaming

2008-06-30 Thread David Cantrell
can at least check that all POD is "well-formed" without running any code from the distribution in question? -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist Suffer the little children to come unto me, as their buying habits are most easily influenced. -- Marketroid Jesus

Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice

2008-06-30 Thread David Cantrell
back requires too many hoops to jump through" and > - "I don't think I have anything to contribute." And also "someone else has already said what I was going to say". For DBI, Iain Truskett wrote my review for me, on 2008-08-13. This appears to be very soon after cpanrantings was launched. -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world Immigration: making Britain great since AD43

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