e versions) released yet.
I will steadfastly ignore anyone who's reply is something to the
effect of "that's a cr@p distro. use XXX instead."
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ains has a different configuration
than the other.
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me a mouse pad (!!) with
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n memory while using the shell menu to, say,
start a DOS shell or whatever. The WP process just hung around waiting
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-2FmPHuRvEgKTmk3rFPEQ09g-3D-3D
The award is well deserved. I've never used MINIX, but I was aware of
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kware may offer
* a newer set of SSL libraries that provide acceptable crypto
algorithms and/or TLS protocols, and/or
* a newer JavaScript (or ECMAScript) implementation that correctly
renders the site's content.
Again, these are just WAGs.
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edded
> almost 2K of hex code per bookmark?
>
> Has there been any feedback from the browser companies, as to what they
> are doing with book marks and why things are running slower than every
> before?
>
> Randall
>
>
>
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ome):
export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_COLLATE="C"
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2024, Paul Heinlein wrote:
https://u35970666.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=u001.6Dgli3a5-2FDN4jL9NBXBO-2FaRTtgndBr5bC5o2-2BEv1MnV6I-2BpTCuZHue6YBUpqjW-2B7qGJbqGU5yZDa5s7AS5z2UW7pL6xlCL2ZDaEboE8cTLVyfZX1zaXpjKn40QoIcPueqSgdmZx2K0oekKvlKHgAIoKHbRDMqYz4D3cu
-2FEtrpNcrR08CP50hIfvZ19ifAtckuND8F2YQcn2EiBS7zICvW5kaBIA9or5HoDlmj6CdS4g0v1nkt4C-2Bs4Tmc2gOFkxqW6hlHCE9V6UnX-2FREeY0Ot5Ja3nudjkdnQ-3D-3D
I have done no testing yet, so this is merely passing on the
announcement.
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Russell Senior wrote:
Welfare check, accomplished!
:-)
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clear the hall the fastest.
Keillor one time told the story of the ushers from Lake Wobegon
Lutheran traveling to the national ushering competition; maybe they
did so well they hire themselves out for conventions.
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Dick Steffens wrote:
On 4/23/24 10:02, Paul Heinlein wrote:
Is this list dead? Neither my inbox nor the online archives show any
traffic since April 16.
I don't see anything after April 16 either. Maybe it's just been a quiet week
in Lake Wobegon?
Indee
Is this list dead? Neither my inbox nor the online archives show any
traffic since April 16.
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to "maddeningly bad" was steep and
quick.
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configuration
files.
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e to hook into?
And not every executable is worthy of its own manual page?
And the Linux kernel team makes the decision on how exes are
documented or if documented?
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e program?
Other program suites like sudo include, e.g., /usr/libexec/sudo/sesh,
which I can only imagine to be some sort of helper program for the
main sudo application, but sesh is otherwise undocumented. The same is
true of the grcat and pwcat utilities distributed with gawk. The
dovecot i
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, American Citizen wrote:
Paul:
Thanks for your post. Exactly what would you consider a valid statement for
locating the executables?
Finding executable files is not, to my mind, the same as find
executable files for which I'd expect a man page.
I'd suppos
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, American Citizen wrote:
Paul:
Good question from you.
for executables I used
$ find . -executable -print
This is not a query I would expect to return accurate results because
it will include files I would not consider candidates for man pages,
including:
* basic
ere might be a bit limiting, but "rpm -qd" can be
quite verbose for some packages. Season to taste.
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bout
where to store your files: a second hard drive, a removable hard drive
kept in a secure location, a local off-site venue, an out-of-region
venue.
What is the timeframe of failure you want to guard against? A day? A
week? Month? Year? Longer?
Do you need your backups stored in multiple
al Postfix MTA, are these security layers necessary or needed?
If you're sending via Postfix, no, you don't need them for SMTP stuff.
Postfix itself can be configured to use SSL/TLS, but that's completely
separate from what you're trying to accomplish.
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stanza to sshd_config,
e.g.,
# most of sshd_config here, then at the end, altering the
# cidr block as necessary
PasswordAuthentication no
PermitRootLogin no
Match Address 192.168.30.0/24
PasswordAuthentication yes
PermitRootLogin yes
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#x27;t get a
direct SMTP notice. I've had to log into sendgrid's web interface to
inspect and/or empty that list. Until you remove the address from that
online list, you can't send mail to it again. (This is an issue for me
at work, for reasons I don't care to explain here.)
On Tue, 2 Jan 2024, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2024, Paul Heinlein wrote:
The Linux distributions I use all have an /etc/cron.d directory that
allows you to run scripts under any UID, no sudo required.
Paul,
Yes, Slackware has an /etc/cron.d directory.
The modified crontab
umented in the crontab(5) man page, at least on my systems.
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lacklisted or marked as spam.
But that's all I've got. Your testing is otherwise very thorough and
exactly what I would have done.
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host, boot the
VM, and all necessary files are accessible in your virtual D:\.
Unburdened by any recent experience with these ancient Windows
releases, I'd suggest the same thing.
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Camel.
I'd say it's the opposite, more like putting Model T engine in a
Formula One chassis. :-)
Of course, most IPMI controllers emulate serial communications over
ethernet (serial-over-LAN), because out-of-band serial connections are
ever-so helpful, even (especially?) today.
-
vely time rich. Keeping cash on hand can justify the owner's
need to spend extra time keeping a fragile set of systems working. I
say "can," not "will" or "must," but I think the point is reasonable.
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ustomer's overall risk profile.
So Ted is perfectly right: the best gear fits a certain risk
assessment. Perhaps an experienced consultant understands what the
owner will only see at a later date. Perhaps.
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!
_ __
/ | | | |
| || |__ ___ ___ _ __ ___| |
| || '_ \ / _ \/ _ \ '__/ __| |
| || | | | __/ __/ | \__ \_|
\_|_| |_|\___|\___|_| |___(_)
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r RAM. Disk space is
usually cheap and so having a swap file "just in case" is often a good
bet. If you run out of RAM and swap, oomkiller will pay you a visit, which
typically isn't nice.
- Paul
On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 05:10 Jake Bottero wrote:
> Running RHEL on a virtual (clou
ers.
In the past, Outlook e-mail files could be extracted using a
command-line utility called tnef. A quick Internet search suggests
that Slackware has a package for it.
Caveat: in my experience, Outlook files end with .dat, not .msg, so my
recommendation may be way off base.
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>
>> Has the PLUG mailing list died?
>
> Evidently not! Huzzah.
The SMTP path of this message is interesting. I'm using the timestamps
provided by each server, so you'll need to take
On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> Has the PLUG mailing list died?
Evidently not! Huzzah.
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ernate versions available are visible via the
"dnf module" family of commands, e.g.,
dnf module list php
dnf module info php
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mall quantities, and I still
had to keep the garage door open for anything more than a single
batch -- even during the Colorado winters.
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x27;s settings ->
preferred appications the browser is set to Brave and the email clent is set
to alpine.
The "url-viewers" setting in .pinerc is what you want, probably
something like
url-viewers="/usr/bin/brave _URL_"
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2022, wes wrote:
it's complicated, but the short version is that I would call it
intentional, yes.
Thank you for the confirmation!
- Paul
-wes
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 3:09 PM Paul Heinlein wrote:
I'm seeing new List-Id headers in the PLUG-TALK traffic. They
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022, Paul Heinlein wrote:
I'm seeing new List-Id headers in the PLUG-TALK traffic. They were
and have become .
Was that change planned?
I only ask because I key on those headers for shuffling PLUG messages to a
certain inbox.
I'm seeing new List-Id headers in the PLUG-TALK traffic. They were
and have become
. Was that change planned?
I only ask because I key on those headers for shuffling PLUG messages
to a certain inbox.
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quot;mv *" would not behave
the same in those two cases. Everything would end up in 'd' in the
first case, in 'E' in the second.
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Russell Senior wrote:
"Paul" == Paul Heinlein writes:
Paul> On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Dick Steffens wrote:
On 10/03/2017 07:43 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
I'll note that if you rent a cable modem from Comcast, but would
rather use your own routing and/or wire
requirement.
Can anyone explain why this would work? Or is this an undocumented
side-effect for "mv"?
It's a side effect of shell globbing. In your case, the shell expands
mv *
to
mv a b c
So 'c' becomes the destination for 'a' and 'b'.
-
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Dick Steffens wrote:
On 10/03/2017 07:43 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
I'll note that if you rent a cable modem from Comcast, but would
rather use your own routing and/or wireless gear, you can ask the
installer to disable wifi and use bridging mode. The tech may look
a
r own routing and/or wireless gear, you can ask the
installer to disable wifi and use bridging mode. The tech may look at
you funny, but s/he'll do it for you.
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u've asked cron to e-mail you the
output by setting the MAILTO variable.
If you don't want sa-learn to emit anything, ever, then just tell it
so:
sa-learn --spam /path/to/folder >/dev/null 2>&1
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Michael wrote:
Paul, Russel,
Both of you have used relative terms in describing sizes.
What is small-ish?
What is VERY LARGE?
Please describe in terms file count, aggregate size of data, or
other metrics.
The big caveat is that said metrics are somewhat hardware
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Paul Heinlein wrote:
ping salmo
Paul,
I should have mentioned in my original post that ping returns the
expected packages. I just rebooted the portable; ping works.
Second, check that you can reach 22/tcp (or whatever port
hat you can reach 22/tcp (or whatever port you use for
ssh) on salmo from your other machine:
nmap -p 22 salmo
If not, try running 'iptables -L' or 'iptables-save' from the console
on salmo to ensure there's no firewall blocking inbound SSH.
Third, try running ssh from s
-av /home/yourdir your.new.host:/home
Of course, that just muddies the water of your original question. :-)
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Ethernet?
I use an older HP JetDirect 175x which does exactly what you want. You
can find them on eBay for ca. $15.
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t the process, unless the latter is very obscure or
ungoogleable.
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Paul Heinlein wrote:
My first suggestion -- and perhaps you've already tried it -- is to
move your standard .pinerc out of the way and let alpine create a
new one. Then add the minimum configuration bits you need to read
0 not seen in the 20 years I've
> uses pine/alpine as my MUA. When I forward a message (such as a spam report)
> the Subject: line is blank. I need to manually copy it from the original
> message to the forwarded one. I've no idea where to look for the cause.
>
> Perha
compared to most
brick+mortar stores.
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tter than I
>> expected.
>
> Excellent, Alan! Hope you quickly heal and feel young again.
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nted, and
exported a .bib file...bingo, my LaTeX paper had a reference list. I've
looked into Zotero and it creeps me out. Go the OSS way, try calibre.
Calibre is also supposed to work with ebook readers like Nook, Fire,
Kindle, and Kobo, although I have had trouble with that on Linux.
> Hope that someone, sometime finds this useful, too.
In vim, to check the entire document:
:%!wc
u
The trailing 'u' is to undo the change. :-)
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past 20 years (first in pine,
> now in alpine.)
Rich,
Do you have an smtp-server setting in your .pinerc (or in a role)? Or
is it blank?
If blank, then the message is submitted to your local MTA (Postfix, in
your case) and subject to its rules.
BTW: I can't see that 'on behalf of&
hat's the right way to say it!
>
> [user@personal ~]$ date --date=@15
> Thu Jul 13 19:40:00 PDT 2017
Whimsy, FTW!
Soon to come: epoch seconds catches up to and passes number of
McDonald's burgers sold.
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g at localhost:12345. No need to setup a new tunnel for each
protocol you wish to secure, nor is there a need for a proxy server on
the remote host.
"man ssh" for details.
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nsaction
itself, and not after it's accepted delivery. If you send mail to
madboa.com that gets marked as spam, for instance, you'll get a bounce
message very quickly (and I'll never see the message).
Finally, the remote user may have trained their spam filter
aggressively -- and sh
dudes, I am running Linux.
Running Clonezilla from an external HD or thumb drive has always
worked fine for me.
http://clonezilla.org
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in. E.g., as root:
# service xdm restart
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ing him to existing web
resources was what I considered the shortest route to him finding his
answer.
> Tomas
> On Sun, 2017-05-21 at 09:05 -0700, Galen Seitz wrote:
>> On 05/20/17 19:13, Tom wrote:
>>> Would you be willing to share your filling Google form education
>>>
remember the details.
>
> What's the latest and best way to package software as an RPM?
With no irony or rancor, I offer you this URL:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=build+rpm
There is a LOT of documentation on building RPMs on the Internet. If
you encounter a specific obstacle, then PLUG may
fference between "make_Home_categories.txt" and
"make_home_categories.txt", but it will keep the file name as you
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 01:52:45PM -0700, Paul Mullen wrote:
> Which smart host providers do PLUGgers endorse? Or are there any
> alternatives to paying someone to handle outbount mail?
Thanks to everyone that offered recommendations. A few appear to
offer full e-mail hosting only (inbou
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 02:35:07PM -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> I dunno. Other than a brief period of time after someone hacked a weak
> non-root account (my daughter, who should have known better) and did a spam
> run -- I haven't had trouble using my Digital Ocean VPS to relay ma
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017, Paul Mullen wrote:
The 800 lb. Internet Gorillas are making it increasingly more
difficult for the Little Guys to run their own mail servers. Even
if all of the various spam-fighting techologies are in place (DKIM,
SPF, DMARC), if your server is located in an IP block
service these days—messages still end
up classified as spam, or in some cases, silently dropped.
Which smart host providers do PLUGgers endorse? Or are there any
alternatives to paying someone to handle outbount mail?
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wing characters included?
Perhaps. Have you tried opening another urxvt window and pasting into
that to see if the problem continues?
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pine, or urxvt, or something else?
Just to review... You run `tree` in your terminal and it looks
normal. Then you cut and paste into another terminal window and end
up with a lot of control sequence gibberish. When you sent the
above-quoted message, did
tput in a Latin character set.
Do you have any unusual LANG or LC_* environment variable settings?
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it's an interesting idea; I just don't have time to experiment
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t
auto,exec,rw,flush,uid=YOUR_UID_HERE,gid=YOUR_GID_HERE,dmask=022,fmask=133 0 0
It's probably safe to remove the "exec" and "flush" options, unless
you have specific reasons to include them. The mount manpage has all
of the details on the various options. Search fo
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote:
> Frustrated with Horde Webmail, I switched to RoundCube.
> Unfortunately, I am using in the clear port 25 smtp and in the clear
> port 143 imap. Can't figure out how to configure postfix and dovecot
> otherwise.
I don't use postfix, but
age for all websites using
Symantec certificates that were issued on or after June 1, 2016
(including from Symantec-owned brands like Thawte and GeoTrust).
www.key.com also uses Symantec certificates.
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fox, by design.
That's a feature, not a bug. If it were my money on the line, I'd
want to get to the bottom of this. For what it's worth, I don't get
any errors when loading https://www.key.com/ from here.
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ttps://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/12/security-panel
Firefox has a similar tool, under the *Tools->Web Developer->Network*
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invocations change:
ssh -p my.host
scp -P foo.txt my.host:/var/tmp
rsync -e 'ssh -p ' /some/dir/ my.host:/that/dir/
For a lot of command-line work, you can hide the port definition in
your ~/.ssh/config file:
# ${HOME}/.ssh/config
Host my.host
Port 9999
#
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>
>> I've thought about moving it to an alternate port, and may someday
>> do so, but in the meantime I've tried to keep up with best
>> practices for sshd configura
environment -- but you may find it worthwhile raising
the bar on the KexAlgorithm, Ciphers, and MACs in your sshd_config,
especially if your SSH daemon is exposed to the world at large.
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On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 01:14:23PM -0400, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> Give the tastefully named Paul Mullen a cigar! That did it. Many
> thanks!
All in a day's work, sir!
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Paul Mullen wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 04:50:58PM -0400, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>> Regardless of the 'filetype' or 'syntax' setting of the editing
>> window (e.g., dosini, perl, puppet, sh), I'm getting stray
>>
On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 04:50:58PM -0400, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> Regardless of the 'filetype' or 'syntax' setting of the editing
> window (e.g., dosini, perl, puppet, sh), I'm getting stray
> highlighting on strings that match this regex:
>
>=.*$
Have
me symptoms. If I ssh in the same
terminal window to another host and run vim remotely, I don't see the
same problem. I've logged out and rebooted and the problem has
persisted.
Any ideas as to the culprit?
Anyone wishing to suggest emacs or another editor as a solution can
sen
wk script I've written. The
input was a CSV file that had been exported from Excel and run
through dos2unix; the invocation was
gawk -f myprog.awk -F, datafile.csv > myout.ics
FWIW.
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#!/usr/bin/awk
#
#
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>
>> This, IMO, is the way to do this. Wrap your entire X session in
>> ssh-agent. Even the Mac exports ssh-agent to all its terminals.
>
> Paul,
>
> What is the difference b
nection is cat5 on the LAN.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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#x27;s, but what is ENU?
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ble around town (i.e
Fry's & ENU).
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To list active services allowed through the firewall:
firewall-cmd --list-services
To print a list of the ports/protocols involved:
for S in $(firewall-cmd --list-services); do
printf "%-15s %9s\n" \
"$S" \
$(firewall-cmd --service=$S --permanent --get-por
> I see references to running screen, but those are for ssh or vpn
> sessions where the running process is on another host. I want to
> recover the process on the same host.
screen (and tmux) work just as well locally as they do on remote
systems.
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ugh good
things about "The Practice of System and Network Administration" by
Limoncelli, Hogan, et al:
http://the-sysadmin-book.com
I have the first edition, and it's quite well worn.
Like I said, it's probably not aimed at your needs, but I'll plug it
anyway. :-)
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2017, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
> perl -pe 's/^\s+//g' *.py
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;ll
give you a sense of what it can do.
There are plenty of open-source products that will back up your
systems, and this recommendation is no knock on them. CloudBerry saved
me a lot of time, and that was my big priority when I implemented it.
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