Smtp queue questions

2000-07-21 Thread Luca Zancan
Hi everybody, I can't find anything that explains how to selectively remove messages from the outgoing queue in qmail-1.03... I'd like to obtain a list of the messages in this queue and to delete only the messages sent by one person (I've found qmail-qread and qmail-clean, but they are not of

Re: Smtp queue questions

2000-07-21 Thread Steffan Hoeke
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 08:14:13AM +0200, Luca Zancan wrote: Hi everybody, I can't find anything that explains how to selectively remove messages from the outgoing queue in qmail-1.03... I'd like to obtain a list of the messages in this queue and to delete only the messages sent by one

Forwarding Unknown Users vpopmail

2000-07-21 Thread Andrew Hill
Hi, I want to forward all mail to unknown users to another mail host. The qmail FAQ suggests putting the line: | forward "$LOCAL"@newmail.domain.com in ~alias/.qmail-default. However, the domain in question is a virtual domain, being handled by vpopmail. So, I have made sure that the

Re: Forwarding Unknown Users vpopmail

2000-07-21 Thread Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill wrote: However, email is being forwarded to the address of form: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a simple (or otherwise!) way to modify the $LOCAL variable to remove the domain.com- prefix to the username? Thanks to off-list helpers! It now works, using: VAR =| echo "$LOCAL"

orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Philip, Tim (CNBC Asia)
orbs.org recently tested our qmail server, I mailed them and they advised that our server could be used as a "proxy mailbomb relay". By this they mean that a message with a forged FROM: address and multiple bad RCPT TO: addresses will generate multiple non-delivery reports being sent to the

tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread Lars Brandi Jensen
Hello I have set up my qmail ( using tcpserver ) server behind my router (NAT), and got it working locally with sending and recieving mail. But global it can send mail out but not recieve mail. I have tried various things like telnet to port 25 and locally it works. But trying from outside there

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread David Benfell
I'm obviously clueless, so perhaps someone can explain... He says it's great for mailing lists, but it seems like the complaints he has would be most apropos mailing lists. Am I misreading this? On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 05:04:59PM +0800, Philip, Tim (CNBC Asia) wrote: HERE IS

553 error code - MAPS?

2000-07-21 Thread Thomas Duterme
Hi Folks, Please have a look at the bounce error message below. Does this signify that the IP is in MAPS? (every address to the 21.cn domain seems to be bouncing) I checked, and indeed, they are blackholed. I don't quite understand why *I* can't mail to them though. I thought MAPS worked

qmail Digest 21 Jul 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1069

2000-07-21 Thread qmail-digest-help
qmail Digest 21 Jul 2000 10:00:01 - Issue 1069 Topics (messages 45073 through 45121): Error message... 45073 by: Mario Rafael dot-qmail with ./named.pipe == invalid argument #4.3.0 45074 by: Jay J 45080 by: Chris, the Young One 45099 by: David Dyer-Bennet

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread Reier Pytte
have you specifically routed port 25 on the router through to your mailserver's ip address? Regards Reier - Original Message - From: Lars Brandi Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21. juli 2000 1104 Subject: tcpserver and NAT Hello I have set up my qmail ( using

RE: qmail: 964126783.245290 delivery 15092: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbo x_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)

2000-07-21 Thread çééí äìôøï
have you updated the assign file? -Original Message- From: Ricardo Cerqueira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 2:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: qmail: 964126783.245290 delivery 15092: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbo x_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1) On Fri, Jul 21,

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread Lars Brandi Jensen
Reier Pytte wrote: have you specifically routed port 25 on the router through to your mailserver's ip address? Yes, and also for port 110

minifaq

2000-07-21 Thread Mick

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Greg Owen
sounds like you used the patch that controls relaying by the from address?? No, ORBS is talking about a different thing. If I want to mailbomb foo.com, and bar.com is running qmail, then I can connect to bar.com's mail and say: mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not me, my

temporary_error_on_maildir_delivery

2000-07-21 Thread Luis Bezerra
Anyone knows this error message? temporary_error_on_maildir_delivery I use qmail with Mysql thanks in advance Luis

Unable to fork

2000-07-21 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I've got a problem: Jul 21 09:20:10 gw2 smtpd: 964185610.174990 tcpserver: status: 1/50 Jul 21 09:20:10 gw2 smtpd: 964185610.175379 tcpserver: warning: dropping connection, unable to fork: temporary failure Jul 21 09:20:10 gw2 smtpd: 964185610.175566 tcpserver: status: 0/50

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Brian Johnson
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:18:42AM -0400, Greg Owen wrote: sounds like you used the patch that controls relaying by the from address?? No, ORBS is talking about a different thing. If I want to mailbomb foo.com, and bar.com is running qmail, then I can connect to bar.com's

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread James Raftery
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:18:42AM -0400, Greg Owen wrote: And qmail will send 26 individual bounce messages, one for each nonexistent recipient at bar.com, back to our victim at foo.com. No it won't: http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/03/msg00112.html james --

Re: forced queeuing

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a way to force qmail to queue mail rather than bouncing it? No need. It does that automatically. i.e., qmail is set to relay all mail to a different mail server. But then the mail server process on the second machine goes down, so the

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Jul 00, at 15:53, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote: Secondaries are not the only case. We for example have a system of chained qmail servers with enough bandwith between them. All go through one gateway server. All the subdomain systems do not have

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
Lars Brandi Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried to telnet to port 25 ( telnet 10.1.x.x 25 ) locally and it works fine. I have send and recived mails locally and it works out fine. I have send mails outside my net and it works fine. But to recieve mails from outside isn't working. I have

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Mark Mentovai
Petr Novotny wrote: The only way for this attack to work is to talk to qmail on a secondary MX (and have primary MX generate 26 distinct bounces), but then the effect of the mailbomb is probably diminished by the (allegedly) poor line between secondary and primary (why would you care about

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread John White
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 01:33:34PM +0200, Lars Brandi Jensen wrote: I have tried to telnet to port 25 ( telnet 10.1.x.x 25 ) locally and it works fine. I have send and recived mails locally and it works out fine. I have send mails outside my net and it works fine. But to recieve mails from

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread John White
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:18:42AM -0400, Greg Owen wrote: If I want to mailbomb foo.com, and bar.com is running qmail, then I can connect to bar.com's mail and say: mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not me, my victim) rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (presumed not to exist, will

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
Why do you use SMTP between them? Use qmtp or qmqp or whatever the beast is called, and have the last qmail in the chain do the expansion (or generate the only bounce). Does QMTP avoid expansion? At this time it would also require serialmail or is there a patched qmail-remote with qmtp

Re: Maildir support for emacs vm

2000-07-21 Thread Charles Cazabon
Erich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using qmail for a long time, with Maildir and rmail. I use the mdmovemail program which is available on the Qmail site, and it works fine with rmail. Now, however, it is time for me to upgrade to a MUA with better support for MIME. It seems like

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread Brett Randall
I have tried to telnet to port 25 ( telnet 10.1.x.x 25 ) locally and it works fine. I have send and recived mails locally and it works out fine. I have send mails outside my net and it works fine. But to recieve mails from outside isn't working. I have tried to telnet to port 25 from outside and

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread John White
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:59:35AM -0400, Mark Mentovai wrote: qmail-send's behavior for remote deliveries (which includes how it deals with qmail-rspawn and qmail-remote) is something that's bothered me for a while. The system really should manage remote deliveries better. At present, we

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Jul 00, at 9:59, Mark Mentovai wrote: There's a difference between being the target of a denial-of-service attack and being involved in one as a tool used by an attacker. As participants on the public Internet, we have to be willing to

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread Andre Michaud
John White wrote: On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 01:33:34PM +0200, Lars Brandi Jensen wrote: I have tried to telnet to port 25 ( telnet 10.1.x.x 25 ) locally and it works fine. I have send and recived mails locally and it works out fine. I have send mails outside my net and it works fine. But

Re: Maildir support for emacs vm

2000-07-21 Thread Robin S. Socha
* Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000721 10:12]: Erich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, however, it is time for me to upgrade to a MUA with better support for MIME. It seems like the best choice for emacs is vm. Nope, Gnus. It supports maildir as a mailsource and alpha support for maildir

Re: Maildir support for emacs vm

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to start a mailer holy war, Uh oh. but you might want to try Mutt -- it's MIME support is excellent, along with pgp/gpg support, and total configurability. Try www.mutt.org. Mutt is a fine mailer. Really. I use it at home and occasionally at work,

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Mark Mentovai
John White wrote: On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:59:35AM -0400, Mark Mentovai wrote: qmail-send's behavior for remote deliveries (which includes how it deals with qmail-rspawn and qmail-remote) is something that's bothered me for a while. The system really should manage remote deliveries better.

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Charles Cazabon
Mark Mentovai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re: one-SMTP-session-per-recipient That's very easy on a host-by-host basis, and I use it for certain setups. The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP sessions when

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Greg Owen
And qmail will send 26 individual bounce messages, one for each nonexistent recipient at bar.com, back to our victim at foo.com. Where did you get this nonsense from? Please go ahead and test; qmail will return only ONE bounce message specifying all 26 addresses. (I have tried, just

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Jul 00, at 10:30, Mark Mentovai wrote: The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP sessions when transferring mail to any other MTA. This horse has been

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread John White
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 10:30:41AM -0400, Mark Mentovai wrote: That's very easy on a host-by-host basis, and I use it for certain setups. The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP sessions when transferring

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Mark Mentovai
Petr Novotny wrote: BTW, you can still be the "tool", even without this amplification. Let's denote "A" attacker, "B" "tool" and "C" victim. Suppose that A and B are "stronger" (faster, or just on a faster line) than C (you can attack only someone weaker). A connects to B's SMTP and starts

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
qmail doesn't do this by default, and manages to use resources much more efficiently than sendmail, which does this. Why should qmail change? It does break one of the basic rules on the Internet that many people fell ist still important. It produces bad reputation (based only on this one

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Jul 00, at 16:47, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote: qmail doesn't do this by default, and manages to use resources much more efficiently than sendmail, which does this. Why should qmail change? It does break one of the basic rules on the

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I would have to agree with the multiple connections == bad neighbour behaviour (if this is true). I might encourage re-ordering of sends to have parallel, per-MX queues ... msg1 - mx1 (in progress) msg2 - mx2 (start another process) msg3 - mx1 (queue and send on same connection as #1 when #1 is

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Charles Cazabon
Frank Tegtmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: qmail doesn't do this by default, and manages to use resources much more efficiently than sendmail, which does this. Why should qmail change? It does break one of the basic rules on the Internet that many people fell ist still important. It

pop3d daemon error

2000-07-21 Thread Barry Smoke
what is causing this...and how much later is it talking about? I'm on Bruce's rpm.this has been working fine for months...now I can't restart, or stop then start the daemon. Redhat 6.0 system. /etc/rc.d/init.d/pop3d start Starting pop3d: pop3d/log (will be started later) pop3d (will be

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Mark Mentovai
Petr Novotny wrote: On 21 Jul 00, at 10:30, Mark Mentovai wrote: The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP sessions when transferring mail to any other MTA. This horse has been beaten to death. What do you

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
95% of the people on the internet care about speed, not bandwidth consumption or resource usage. Of course. That's why and for security I do use qmail. people have you observed saying "I am pulling down all the nifty graphics from my website - it consumes too much resources."? The

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Greg Owen
oh, I get it.. I agree that they're probably worrying too much, but how should qmail prevent this? does sendmail handle it differently? If N recipients at a site are getting the same exact message, you enter multiple RCPT TO lines and one DATA entry. If N recipients at a site are

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Jul 00, at 10:58, Mark Mentovai wrote: My MTA should get the messages out as soon as possible. I have seen the benchmarks, and I know that my MTA does exactly that. Is it as fast as possible? In the situation above, what I suggest

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Charles Cazabon
Mark Mentovai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use "should" in the same manner that it is used in the documents which define the very standards and practices over which we are arguing. In order to be a good 'net neighbor, an MTA (note that I am not singling any MTA out here) should not open 25

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Michael T. Babcock
The issue of bandwidth management is the #1 issue for higher level ISPs right now. Obviously you don't read the trade magazines or talk to those persons. The move to lower bandwidth consumption of websites in general has picked up speed as well. Many many sites and organisations are taking a

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Michael T. Babcock
John White wrote: On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 10:30:41AM -0400, Mark Mentovai wrote: That's very easy on a host-by-host basis, and I use it for certain setups. The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Don't get me wrong. I like Qmail for the most part. I just think there's room for improvement. And room for less attitude ... hint. Petr Novotny wrote: The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP sessions

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I agree. But I think we're both just labelled as radicals for wanting better than the best there is. Microsoft ended up with good software at some point in time ... best of its class even ... then stopped making it better. Hint ;-). Mark Mentovai wrote: I use qmail because it meets most of

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Mark Mentovai
John White wrote: On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 10:30:41AM -0400, Mark Mentovai wrote: That's very easy on a host-by-host basis, and I use it for certain setups. The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in question," an MTA should make efficient use of a limited number of SMTP sessions

qq trouble creating files in queue

2000-07-21 Thread Toens Bueker
Hi *, qmail-1.03 with bigtodo- and the big-queue-patch gives this error-message, when I relay mails with smtpstone through it. root@:~# qmail-qstat messages in queue: 1221 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 77 Hints, where to look for a solution? By Töns -- Linux. The dot in /.

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Abdul Rehman Gani
From: Mark Mentovai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I use "should" in the same manner that it is used in the documents which define the very standards and practices over which we are arguing. In order to be a good 'net neighbor, an MTA (note that I am not singling any MTA out here) should

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Jul 00, at 11:17, Michael T. Babcock wrote: While you ponder the answer to those questions, qmail will have delivered the mail. Or crashed a mailserver. Please stop that. When was the last time you saw a crashed mailserver due to

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread Julian Brown
Ok, here's my configuration. If anyone can tell me why I have slow mail delivery, I checked the Trigger permissions and they are supposedly fine. Any insight would be so greatly appreciated. Pentium III 550 256 Megs of Ram FreeBSD 3.3 Rackspace.Com Network (Multiple OC3 - Peering on several

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread John White
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:20:00AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: No, but if qmail is making the deliveries to another MTA, that MTA doesn't have much choice about whether its going to accept deliveries from Qmail or not, so why not make Qmail a nice neighbour while we're at it? What are

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
The problem with re-using the same SMTP session for multiple messages, etc, is the high-latency inherent in the protocol. DJB found an easy way around that. That's not, what we are talking about. It's about creating multiple messages when it is really ONE with many receivers going to ONE

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread John White
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:23:45AM -0400, Mark Mentovai wrote: How is this accumulation supposed to occur? Per queue injection? Over a time period? How long of a time period? As long as we're being good neighbors, should the mta lookup the mx for each recipient and accumulate by mx? What

Qmailanalog

2000-07-21 Thread Cedric Fontaine
I ve just installed qmailanalog and daemontools on my server Could you please just help me on I can get good daily report of qmail usage with multilog ? What shall I do exactly ??? Is there a FAQ on this ? Thank you

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Julian Brown
I agree completely. Running an ISP can teach you that people care significantly less about even their web sites than they do their e-mail. How many times have you heard the 'I lost a piece of a e-mail and I could have potentially lost $10,000 because of your ISP!' I'm sorry, but Mail is the

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Paul Jarc
Mark Mentovai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If an MTA receives a message with 100 recipients with the same MX, there is no reason to transfer the message to the remote mail exchanger 100 times. Yes, there is: per-recipient VERPs. You may not see this as outweighing the bandwidth issue, but it's

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
"Julian Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, here's my configuration. If anyone can tell me why I have slow mail delivery, I checked the Trigger permissions and they are supposedly fine. Any insight would be so greatly appreciated. Pentium III 550 256 Megs of Ram FreeBSD 3.3 Rackspace.Com

Re: Maildir support for emacs vm ( and cgi )

2000-07-21 Thread John van V.
I'm doing pretty well w/ my cgi MUAs. Weak on features, but thats only temporary. I've been learning from Yahoo! which is weak because of performance latency, but I am going to graft together a bunch of cgi MUAs into perl modules, adding folder support, etc. Along w/ that I want to add

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread markd
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:41:55AM -0400, Julian Brown wrote: Ok, here's my configuration. If anyone can tell me why I have slow mail delivery, I checked the Trigger permissions and they are supposedly fine. Any insight would be so greatly appreciated. Pentium III 550 256 Megs of Ram

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread Julian Brown
Just because showctl prints out all of my virtualdomains and rcpthosts and qmail-send is logged under maillog on my system and it's full of tcpserver stuff. If you can give me something to yank out of the log that is of interest to you I can grab it. Same with showctl, I'm not sure what you

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread Julian Brown
Ok so you guys want me to attach my log or something? If you're sure that's what you need I would be more than happy. Let me know I'll send it to your private boxes. J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread Robert Sander
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:02:34AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Messages In Queue: 44 Message in Queue but notyet preprocessed: 0 What does qmail-qread say? Maybe these are just messages that could not be delivered. Greetings -- Robert Sander Epigenomics AG www.epigenomics.de

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread markd
I'm not really going to re-enter this recurring fray, but it is amusing to note that web browsers open multiple connections at once in an effort to speed up their perceived performance. I don't see much push to stop that sort of greedy behaviour. They also repeatedly fetch exactly the same data.

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread markd
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:26:42PM -0400, Julian Brown wrote: Ok so you guys want me to attach my log or something? If you're sure that's what you need I would be more than happy. Let me know I'll send it to your private boxes. If you're concerned about their size or which parts are

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
"Julian Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so you guys want me to attach my log or something? If you're sure that's what you need I would be more than happy. Let me know I'll send it to your private boxes. No, I don't want a copy of your entire mail log. If you can't post the last 30 lines or

Re: Slow Slow Mail Delivery, Not Trigger Permissions

2000-07-21 Thread markd
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:23:59PM -0400, Julian Brown wrote: Just because showctl prints out all of my virtualdomains and rcpthosts and qmail-send is logged under maillog on my system and it's full of tcpserver stuff. If you can give me something to yank out of the log that is of interest

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Charles Cazabon
Frank Tegtmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with re-using the same SMTP session for multiple messages, etc, is the high-latency inherent in the protocol. DJB found an easy way around that. If that multiplies with large sized messages (also common here - please forget hints

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Julian Brown
Now that we're on the subject of Qmail. (Well, the whole list is but.. ) When I try to add to assign, and recompile with qmail-newu.. I've done this a lot.. I have about 4000 users in there now with the syntax: =domain-com-user:popuser:888:888:/var/qmail/domains/d/domain-com/user::: I for some

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
Mark Mentovai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: qmail-send's behavior for remote deliveries (which includes how it deals with qmail-rspawn and qmail-remote) is something that's bothered me for a while. The system really should manage remote deliveries better. At present, we have one SMTP connection per

Re: tcpserver and NAT

2000-07-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Brett Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 21 July 2000 at 23:34:02 +1000 there is no MX in my.dk and www.my.dk does not resolve. I think you will find he was just giving a false domain name as is customary among system admins... WHY is it customary? I just don't understand the level of

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Jon Rust
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:20:00AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Don't get me wrong. I like Qmail for the most part. I just think there's room for improvement. And room for less attitude ... hint. Petr Novotny wrote: The problem is that there shouldn't be any "domain in

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Paul Jarc
"Frank Tegtmeyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, there is: per-recipient VERPs. If VERPs are used you have different senders. So bundling receivers of the same message at one host is a non issue at all (at least with SMTP). That's my point: VERPs are good, but using them requires sending

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
"Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petr Novotny wrote: This horse has been beaten to death. What do you mean by "should"? And why "limited number"? To be friendly to your neighbours ... Ah... And are your HTTP, FTP, etc. clients and servers also "friendly to your neighbours"? Or

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Michael T. Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 21 July 2000 at 10:55:39 -0400 I would have to agree with the multiple connections == bad neighbour behaviour (if this is true). I might encourage re-ordering of sends to have parallel, per-MX queues ... msg1 - mx1 (in progress) msg2

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
"Frank Tegtmeyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If VERPs are used you have different senders. Different *envelope* senders, yes: that's how VERP works. But the originator is one entity (a user or a mail list handler). So bundling receivers of the same message at one host is a non issue at all (at

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Michael T. Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 21 July 2000 at 11:20:00 -0400 No, but if qmail is making the deliveries to another MTA, that MTA doesn't have much choice about whether its going to accept deliveries from Qmail or not, so why not make Qmail a nice neighbour while we're at

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
John R. Dunning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 21 July 2000 at 15:40:59 - I like qmail a lot. It's way easier to deal with than sendmail, and does a good job for my purposes. There are some things which I wish it did differently. This business of not bothering to consolidate

numbers

2000-07-21 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
Does anyone have a pointer to a comparison of qmail/sendmail/postfix/... that is done at a real world server over a longer period of time? It should include bandwith use (including DNS) and performance data. The only thing I remember were some graphs about mailer timings (DNS lookup, start of

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
Mark Mentovai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not? You can have your cake and eat it too. Efficient network utilization doesn't mean delayed or slow delivery. Say you have 100 different messages to deliver to various users at AOL. Which will be faster: 1) Opening one connection to a single AOL

orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread John R. Dunning
From: "David Dyer-Bennet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:07:21 -0500 (CDT) [...] That is, have you considered this carefully enough to be able to make an actual proposal on how to do it, or are you just blowing smoke and assuming it's easy and cheap? I

TCPserver error

2000-07-21 Thread Z
i'm getting the following tcpserver error: [root@myserver /var/qmail/control]# tcpserver -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u513 -g513 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd [1] 4307 tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address already used [1] Exit 111tcpserver -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u513 -g513

RE: TCPserver error

2000-07-21 Thread Ihnen, David
Your inetd or some other process is already bound to the smtp port David -Original Message- From: Z [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TCPserver error i'm getting the following tcpserver error: [root@myserver

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
Mark Mentovai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use "should" in the same manner that it is used in the documents which define the very standards and practices over which we are arguing. In order to be a good 'net neighbor, an MTA (note that I am not singling any MTA out here) should not open 25 SMTP

Re: TCPserver error

2000-07-21 Thread Tyler J. Frederick
You can do (with some versions of the nettools package, on linux at least) "netstat -anp | grep LISTEN" and that will show you all ports listening, and the -p options tells the process that is listening - T On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Z wrote: i'm getting the following tcpserver error:

Re: TCPserver error

2000-07-21 Thread Chris, the Young One
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:26:25PM -0500, Z wrote: ! [root@myserver /var/qmail/control]# tcpserver -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u513 -g513 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd ! tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address already used Well, see if sendmail is still running, or whether you have an smtp

SMTP question.

2000-07-21 Thread Z
I was wondering if there was a way that I can have SMTP do a database lookup in order to find out where the mail should be delivered. What i mean is let's say that the SMTP server gets a request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need it to search in a mySQL database with the extracted information (bob,

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Dave Sill
"Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft ended up with good software at some point in time ... best of its class even ... then stopped making it better. For a second there I thought you were serious. Ha, ha. Good one. -Dave

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Paul Farber
Should read - "Microsft purchased, then has no internal talent nor desire to improve" I have 3 words for you -Microsoft Exchange Server-NOOooo. Paul Farber Farber Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Dave Sill wrote: "Michael T.

Re: SMTP question.

2000-07-21 Thread Paul Jarc
Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wondering if there was a way that I can have SMTP do a database lookup in order to find out where the mail should be delivered. What i mean is let's say that the SMTP server gets a request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need it to search in a mySQL database

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:47:15PM +0200, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote: qmail doesn't do this by default, and manages to use resources much more efficiently than sendmail, which does this. Why should qmail change? It does break one of the basic rules on the Internet that many people fell ist

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:17:32AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: And DJB has already proposed other protocol solutions that don't handle this issue either. That said, your comment is moot. SMTP has lots of problems, why _not_ solve them? This isn't a problem with SMTP -- It's a problem

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-21 Thread markd
This isn't a problem with SMTP -- It's a problem with MTA's that don't handle lots of incoming connections very well. The fact that a majority of people on the Internet are running such MTA's is not a concern of mine and ... And that number has been in steady decline over the last 3-4

Re: numbers

2000-07-21 Thread Bruce Guenter
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 07:10:08PM +0200, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote: Does anyone have a pointer to a comparison of qmail/sendmail/postfix/... that is done at a real world server over a longer period of time? In the real world, you will not find two sites with identical input load so that you can

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