Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread robert zeidler
Nice, dude. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I was very fortunate (thank you, God -- I got in thanks to > near-subprime-standards at the beginning of the crest of the R E boom) > to find a small duplex in a modestly high end infill project, and this > just before the develo

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I was very fortunate (thank you, God -- I got in thanks to near-subprime-standards at the beginning of the crest of the R E boom) to find a small duplex in a modestly high end infill project, and this just before the developers realized that they could get much more for their lots than they charged

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
On Jan 27, 11:02 am, bfd wrote: > On Jan 25, 10:56 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" > wrote:> Car-free and car-light are two different things, and both > > commendable!!!  I doubt I will ever be car-free, but every year I try > > to drive less and less.  It's fun, saves money, gives me great > > "p

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread robert zeidler
Probably speaks more to starting a family than anything else. That too will pass like anything else, and he'll enjoy it in the meantime. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:02 PM, bfd wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 10:56 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" > wrote: >> Car-free and car-light are two different things, a

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread Ray Shine
o: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:02:02 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 On Jan 25, 10:56 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" wrote: > Car-free and car-light are two different things, and both > commendable!!! I doubt I will ever be car-free, but

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread bfd
On Jan 25, 10:56 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" wrote: > Car-free and car-light are two different things, and both > commendable!!!  I doubt I will ever be car-free, but every year I try > to drive less and less.  It's fun, saves money, gives me great > "parking", a little exercise, doesn't fund I

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-27 Thread Ray Shine
You are absolutely correct, Michael. well said! From: Michael Richters To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 9:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 Perhaps it isn't fair to nitpick Grant Peterson on

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-26 Thread Michael Richters
Perhaps it isn't fair to nitpick Grant Peterson on this, given that I'm generally with him on the spirit of his message, but I seem to have a disagreement with one detail or another of almost all of his points in that post. First -- The Idaho Vehicle Code does not permit cyclists to treat red lig

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-25 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Car-free and car-light are two different things, and both commendable!!! I doubt I will ever be car-free, but every year I try to drive less and less. It's fun, saves money, gives me great "parking", a little exercise, doesn't fund Islamic extremists. All my local errands are done on foot or bik

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-25 Thread bfd
On Jan 19, 5:51 am, JoelMatthews wrote: > Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points. > > I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies > 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit.  To me it > is a green choice.  I realize my actions mean

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-25 Thread Philip Williamson
I work for a small company (6-8 people), and my employers both ride bikes to work. I'm the one who's fallen off the wagon. In fact, I'm going to go get things together so I can ride instead of drive (the two miles). The bookkeeper locks her bike up on the street, and everyone else hangs theirs in

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-25 Thread newenglandbike
+1, Ray. As far as commuting/my workplace, my commute is 17 miles one way and I currently work at a large facility that was recently voted a high- level bicycle friendly business by the League of American Bicyclists. They have great bicycle parking in a garage outside the main entrance, and even

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-22 Thread Way Rebb
Some of us use bikes as a primary means of transportation. Transportation involved going to places you may not really want to get to (jury duty, dentist appointments, etc) with varying levels of being late.I don't believe transportation is chosen on the fun factor, cars are just the default. J

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-22 Thread Way Rebb
Wow this thread has jumped all over the place but back to cars and bikes... What I find irritating are the too polite motorists. They will wave me through a 4 way stop when it is their turn to go. They will stop and wave me across three other lanes of busy traffic as if everyone will stop becaus

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-21 Thread robert zeidler
Nah that won't happen. Income will go up, inflation will go nuts and all will be relative. We'll pay more yes, and we'll deal with it. I run a svc company w/ a fleet of 30 +/- vehicles. If fuel goes up, my rates will go up, and on and on. Folks will say, "well we just will use someone else" T

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-21 Thread JoelMatthews
> That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and > advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's > easy to see why we can't have that here. With Chinese and Indian fuel consumption pushing gas prices up, it will not be long before U.S. prices are within spi

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-21 Thread jlvota
What you have to consider about Holland is that gasoline there is the equivalent of around $7.91/gallon (one of the highest in Europe) and they have a much different tax system that allows massive funding to public transit. They have a progressive income tax rate that peaks at 52% (down from 60% a

RE: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-21 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
om Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 This is a fantastic discussion!! No one is calling any names, and we are orbiting around the bicycle in our discussion. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: > This thread seems to be veering off into politica

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread robert zeidler
com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > Send it into space. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Seth Vidal > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12:21 > To: > Rep

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread cyclotourist
:21 > To: > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: > > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > > is to reprocess the spe

RE: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:05 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 Send it into space. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Seth Vidal Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread zeidler . robert
Send it into space. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Seth Vidal Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12:21 To: Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 On Thu, Jan

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread bfd
On Jan 19, 6:47 am, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:26 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > > > The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability > > of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is > > something that's resonated with me for a long time.   S

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread newenglandbike
Yes, in-situ leaching. it's another horrifying process. Unfortunately even if done without any 'accidents', mineral precipitation is a problem, and the leachates are toxic waste. And, how are they not introducing anything that isn't already there? What happens to the groundwater? You are rig

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > is to reprocess the spent fuel.   They 'could' reprocess it, and > recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel;  it > just costs more than getting more.    S

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread Leslie
On Jan 20, 12:15 pm, newenglandbike wrote: > The trade-off for nuclear power is a legacy of radioactive waste that > will last for hundreds of thousands of years.   Not to mention that > the mining of uranium is an environmentally catastrophic process, > displacing roughly 100,000 tons of radioact

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread newenglandbike
, 20 Jan 2011 05:19:40 > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > The developed world's been enjoying incredibly cheap energy courtesy > of the Carboniferous Period for the past 150 years.    The entir

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread zeidler . robert
Editorial of Jan. 18 The developed world's been enjoying incredibly cheap energy courtesy of the Carboniferous Period for the past 150 years.The entire economy of the developed world is completely, inextricably, irrefutably based upon it.Fossil fuel deposits are kind of solar energy stor

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread Mike
I commute by bike every single day regardless of the weather. I live in Portland so it's not that big a deal. My commute is only 4.5 miles. Still, I've never had a license and so never had a car. I grew up in SF and a car is a complete burden there. In my youth I got around by MUNI, skateboard and

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread newenglandbike
The developed world's been enjoying incredibly cheap energy courtesy of the Carboniferous Period for the past 150 years.The entire economy of the developed world is completely, inextricably, irrefutably based upon it.Fossil fuel deposits are kind of solar energy stored in battery cells- bu

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread robert zeidler
Problem is, a good size plant covers approx 7,000 acres. Everybody has a bitch when putting one up. I make my own electricity (36 p.v. panels, grid-tied), and heat my own hot water (2 glycol filled , roof-mounted panels), and the utility buys up what O over produce, but only to a point. If the cr

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread Earl Grey
I would say that riding a bike for any reason, including "being green" is good and to be supported. I agree that saying biking is green is neither the best nor the easiest sell, but if that particular reasoning gets someone on a bike who can't imagine it being fun and liberating, they may soon enou

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-20 Thread Stonehog
t they transport the > family bikes by auto to the nearest bike path to do the rides. Of course I > would do that! Such activities aren't "green." They're just family outings; > plenty good enough in my book. > > From: Sean Whelan > To: rbw-owners-bunch@google

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread William
"B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. " Not so fast.concentrating solar thermal breaks that misconceived limitation of solar. The sun heats up a reservoir of working fluid. The hot working fluid

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread SFF
Oh man, I can be a real drag on this subject - just ask my family and all my ex-friends. I'm 90% bike and 10% car these days. That is hard for me to believe but it has happened...not overnight but slowly over the past couple of years. You can't jump to the absolute - you have to evolve to it over

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread bfd
On Jan 19, 7:10 am, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving > many miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home. I don't know is this a problem? I commute by bike and when I ride on the weekends, I usually ride from my house.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Bill Gibson
RoadbikeRider recommends: exhale more forcefully than inhale...but it doesn't make much difference in the long run... http://www.roadbikerider.com/463.htm#TRY *7. TRY THIS ON YOUR NEXT RIDE * * Breathe out hard, breathe in easy.* Here's a technique we learned from an Olympic road champion,

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread cyclotourist
But did you inhale? On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Bill Gibson wrote: > although I think I did once, or twice, in the 1970's... > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Bill Gibson
Rolling stop/Idaho stop/California stop at stopsigns and...traffic lights. If there's any traffic at all, I respect lighted signals. If it's 3:00 AM and nothing has happened for 2 cycles of the light, and the detection loop isn't recognizing my existence, I'll tell the judge that the light malfunc

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Leslie
Oi! Lots of thoughts A) I applaud anyone who can commute via their Rivendell. Unfortunately for me, it's 40 mi from driveway to parking lot one way... I just can't commute by bike. I do carpool; so, four of us make the trip together, instead of each of us in four automobiles. (And whilst

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
No complaints, life has been very, very good to me. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:40 PM, robert zeidler > wrote: >> Well then you obviously are flush and for that I congratulate you. >> > > Robert, >  You've just talked about buying multiple bikes

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:40 PM, robert zeidler wrote: > Well then you obviously are flush and for that I congratulate you. > Robert, You've just talked about buying multiple bikes on this list I think you can't protest too much about your taxes. -sv -- You received this message because you a

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
Well then you obviously are flush and for that I congratulate you. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Scott G. wrote: > > > On Jan 19, 9:14 am, robert zeidler  BTW, the > reason the Euro's >> can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is because >> they don't have much of a defense bu

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Michael_S
I know we all try to do our part ( at least members of this forum) to minimize our car time and impact to precious resources. In Southern California there are very limited mass transit choices and large distances to cover. I would love to live close by work and be able to commute by bike. I chose

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> Interesting that within 24 hours of one another Grant lauds the > benefits of the Idaho-stop and Bike Snob NYC instructs cyclists to > follow the letter of the law, especially stopping at all red lights. Did not read BSNYC but coming from one who does most of his riding in a densely populated ur

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Scott G.
On Jan 19, 9:14 am, robert zeidler  BTW, the reason the Euro's > can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is because > they don't have much of a defense budget-we do that for them!!! I am pleased to pay for the European defense, Militarism is to Europe as alcohol is to alcoholic

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Ray Shine
_ From: Sean Whelan To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:53:13 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 At least they are riding bikes and interested in bikes. While most of us on this list use our bikes for everything from fast brevets

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
m: Kelly Sleeper > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 7:10:53 AM > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving > many miles to ride a bike a short distance then dr

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread William
Interesting that within 24 hours of one another Grant lauds the benefits of the Idaho-stop and Bike Snob NYC instructs cyclists to follow the letter of the law, especially stopping at all red lights. On Jan 19, 10:10 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 1/19/11 9:25 AM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
Well put Jim. I've read that speech a bunch of times and it's chilling that a product of a military academy (one of the finest educations one can have) would warn us of this impending threat. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:01 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > on 1/19/11 8:04 AM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@m

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/19/11 9:25 AM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: > I am very much aware my decision process on this makes me an outlier. And I wholeheartedly applaud your efforts and actions, Joel. Full stop. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http:

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread erik jensen
y'all might consider working to realize sunday streets- / ciclovia-style street closures in your cities on the weekends. it's a great way to illustrate the potential for alternative use of our public street space. I know this happens in many places already, but i think it's one of our better chanc

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Sean Whelan
of those fancy dual suspension mountain bikes. All biking is good biking in some way... Cheers, Sean --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Ray Shine wrote: From: Ray Shine Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 12:09 PM You hit

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> My second comment is actually a vote of support for you not a criticism. My apologies for misunderstanding. On Jan 19, 10:56 am, robert zeidler wrote: > Chill my brother  The oil lobby has obviously earned it's money. > It sucks but it's a reality of life everywhere on this planet. > > My

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> And I didn't really read anything in the article that said those were > mutually exclusive. The main point seemed to be that the people who would > adopt cycling because of green-ness alone are more of an outlier. Getting > people to act on goals which potentially play out over generations is n

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread newenglandbike
> Sure riding a bike makes a difference. If you're riding a bike in place of > driving a car, you're keeping about 1.1 pounds of carbon dioxide out of per > mile out of the atmosphere (if you have a ten mile round trip, that's about > 2200 pounds of CO2 per year). And that's only one greenhous

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Ray Shine
do well on paved roads, or some such. From: Kelly Sleeper To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 7:10:53 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people drivin

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/19/11 8:04 AM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: >> Cycling has many uses and is wonderful .. but riding just for green reasons >> is or would be weak for me. I ride because I like riding. > > I got rid of my car for green reasons. I certainly enjoy riding my > bike. And I didn'

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
Actually I do ride year round but most people "put 'em away". Starting over every spring like we used to do in the 70's, sucks big-time. Every season has it's joys and pitfalls. It's always worth it as long as you don't finish a ride in an ambulance. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, newenglandbik

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
14:04 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 >> From: zeidler.rob...@gmail.com >> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >> >> Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical, >> plus for my business, I have to be places,

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
Chill my brother The oil lobby has obviously earned it's money. It sucks but it's a reality of life everywhere on this planet. My second comment is actually a vote of support for you not a criticism. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:38 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> Dept of Consumer Protection (or who

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
It could be argued that some of us have organized our lives around having to drive everywhere, 30-mile (or more) one-way commutes, living in places where transportational cycling is simply too difficult or dangerous, etc. That's the arrangement that many people choose for various reasons, and th

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving > many miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home. In St > Louis, Mo Trailnet has one of these type rides weekly. I would wager a > single weekend ride here wipes out all the progress the comuters make in o

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The best post of this thread! I agree: if it's not fun, why do it? Too much modern neo-puritanism out there already. Tho' kudos to those who ride in snow and *enjoy* it. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driv

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread EricP
If it is the same hub (and even that is conjecture), I have a tough time seeing how an on/off switch down there can deal with bad weather. Snow, ice, and slush pile up on my current hubs. Can see it shorting out a switch in fairly short order. BTW, my Schmidt hub is probably out of the ordinary,

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Kelly Sleeper
and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving many miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home. In St Louis, Mo Trailnet has one of these type rides weekly. I would wager a single weekend ride here wipes out all the progress the comuters make in one d

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> You get the health benefits of cycling: less fat, better cardiovascular > health, stronger muscles, better bones, a better > brain. As someone who > works with the elderly, those benefits are not to be sneezed at. You are also saving your fellow tax payers money. Bikes have minimal infrastr

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:26 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability > of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is > something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long > to move to a place like that, but

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> BTW, the reason the Euro's can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, > etc., is they don't have much of a > defense budget-we do that for them!!! Think about it, U.S. bases all over > Europe, and trust me, the governments > want us there to do that heavy lifting. What are highways fr

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread newenglandbike
On Jan 19, 9:14 am, robert zeidler wrote: > Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical, I live in New England and bicycle year round; lots of people do. Not saying your business makes it possible with all that travel, but it's possible (and practical) for lots of p

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
> Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that > bio-fuels didn't get "a competitive advantage"(!). . Any support for this, other than a comment by someone with a financial stake in keeping the prices higher? > Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's ri

RE: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread jim phillips
Robert, very nicely put. I agree with everything you said. But, we won't use up all the "dino" fuel until long after you and I are gone. jimP > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:14:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > From: zeidler.rob...@gmail.co

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread robert zeidler
Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical, plus for my business, I have to be places, sometimes from Boston, to Hartford, to Brattlebor all in the same day. To that end, I needed to able to carry things, people, plow my driveway when needed etc., So I dive a 4 dr Dodge

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread JoelMatthews
Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points. I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit. To me it is a green choice. I realize my actions mean very little with most here in Chicago wtill in cars

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-19 Thread newenglandbike
Wow, that's a good read."Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns" is a kind of potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be. The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting i

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-18 Thread JoelMatthews
> VO says 50-90% less drag Even if true, all relative. I have a bike with a Scmidt Dyno, one with a Maxicar front hub, and another with Campy Record. When the lights are off, there is no noticeable drag. Sure it may be cheaper then a Schmidt. But then as anyone who buys a Rivendell ought to kn

[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

2011-01-18 Thread William
.and Grant referred to the game-changer dynamo hub. Presumably the same hub that Velo Orange has been talking up. If Riv and VO are talking about the same part, then it's a dynamo hub that allows you to totally disengage the dynamo mechanism when you aren't using the light, so a lot less drag