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From: Chris Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: winmodems vs. Lucent vs. open source
> Has anyone used a Zoom LT 56k Voice/Faxmodem with the jumpers set for
> plug-n-play?
> thanks,
> Chris
Chr
Has anyone used a Zoom LT 56k Voice/Faxmodem with the jumpers set for
plug-n-
play?
thanks,
Chris
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Greg Wright wrote:
> > Another thought is, its very possible for the CPU to reach 100% for
various
> > reasons for small periods of time, I wonder if the modem will get th
Has anyone used a Zoom LT 56k Voice/Faxmodem with the jumpers set for
plug-n-
play?
thanks,
Chris
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Greg Wright wrote:
> > Another thought is, its very possible for the CPU to reach 100% for
various
> > reasons for small periods of time, I wonder if the modem will get the
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:28:01 -0400
Ward William E PHDN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
# With faster machines, I doubt 3% of the CPU would need to be used for the
#modem. So yes, the#villain here is the manufacturers who haven't yet supported
#Linux (I wouldn't say"refuse to support Linux" they j
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Greg Wright wrote:
> Another thought is, its very possible for the CPU to reach 100% for various
> reasons for small periods of time, I wonder if the modem will get the
> attention it needs, or will it drop the carrier ?
>
It will drop carrier. I work for an ISP and I've seen
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On 11/07/00 at 8:28 Ward William E PHDN wrote:
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>From: Dave Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:55 PM
>Subject: Re: winmodems vs. Lucent vs. open source
>
>
>>> From:
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From: Dave Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: winmodems vs. Lucent vs. open source
>> From: Alan Mead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> A lot of people have slammed Ed's perspective. I think we sho
> From: Alan Mead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> A lot of people have slammed Ed's perspective. I think we should separate
> distaste for the hardware from our dismay that the manufacturers do not
> support Linux. The hardware may make sense in some contexts where the
> modem is rarely used.
>
> A
A lot of people have slammed Ed's perspective. I think we should separate
distaste for the hardware from our dismay that the manufacturers do not
support Linux. The hardware may make sense in some contexts where the
modem is rarely used.
And even if we think the hardware sucks, it remains so
..]
> And what makes it harder is that the developers are trying to
> interface with a moving target, in terms of what kernel to use.
What also makes the development slow is that many developers have no
interest in developing drivers for Winmodems, as they - rightly, IMO -
regard them as crip
> "serial-cable modem," as in one which requires a serial cable, rather
> than a cable-tv cable. :-)
I also think the comment about USB external modems being Winmodems
is dead wrong in the extreme. AFAIK, USB modems are all NON-Winmodems.
The fact that support for USB is rathe
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Ward William E PHDN wrote:
> Ditto on the SERIAL external modems... but I've yet to hear
> of a USB external modem that isn't a Winmodem of some sort. Also, let's
> keep our terms right... a Cable modem is a different beast entirely, and
> I've never heard of an External Cab
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, rpjday wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, John Aldrich wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> > > Could someone define for me the difference between a winmodem and a regular
> > > modem?
> > >
> > WinModem is missing most of the hardware that makes a modem. It's
>
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Dave Reed wrote:
> > Resent-Cc:
> > MBOX-Line: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 7 13:30:22 2000
> > From: "Stephen King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > So let me get this straight most Internal modems are WinModems. Were as al
I would add a couple of Caveats to this (marked below)
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Subject: Re: WinModems Internal vs External
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>> MBOX-Line: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] F
Hi everybody
Has anybody managed to get USB working under RH 6 or later. I will be
getting an ASDL USB modem which I wish to use with Linux.
Nick
At 16:08 07/07/00 -0400, you wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> > So let me get this straight most Internal modems are
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On 8/07/00 at 16:27 Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 03:47:41PM -0400, Edward Schernau wrote:
>> The same logic of why a winmodem might be appropriate
>> for an OEM system also applies to linux - most of us running
>> systems in the h
Jeff Graves wrote:
> No, i don't believe that any external windmodems exist. Internal modems are
> made by many different companies. NOT ALL INTERNAL MODEMS ARE WINMODEMS. I
> think that winmodems are only internal.
>
I wouldn't bet on that too much. I am not positive bu
>
> Older ISA modems are likely not to be WinModems, but may still be a
> little tricky to get to work with Linux.
>
My USR Sportster 56K ISA was a piece of cake if you used the jumper.
CH
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> 1) Slippery Slope
>
> You start down that slope with one little excuse that this one
> little thing won't hurt and it doesn't stop until you've got a lot of
> little things that hurt like hell. Winmodems, winprinters, what's next.
&
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 03:47:41PM -0400, Edward Schernau wrote:
> > The same logic of why a winmodem might be appropriate
> > for an OEM system also applies to linux - most of us running
> > systems in the hundreds of MHz _do_ have some spare cycl
this one
little thing won't hurt and it doesn't stop until you've got a lot of
little things that hurt like hell. Winmodems, winprinters, what's next.
2) Nose of the camel
We don't want this sucker in bed with us.
3) Domino Theory
Wh
The same logic of why a winmodem might be appropriate
for an OEM system also applies to linux - most of us running
systems in the hundreds of MHz _do_ have some spare cycles.
So why not take advantage of a cheaper modem? Hell, most of
us DONT have true PS printers - does using GS and printfilter
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On 7/07/00 at 13:16 Lee Howard wrote:
>No.
>
>(Aside from the fact that Winmodem is a registered trademark of 3Com/USR,
>I'll deal with it in the commonly used generic, non-brand-specific
>terminology.)
>
>Many internal modems are "hardware" modems (the
There are quite a number of internal modems that are not winmodems.
For some reading on winmodems:
http://linmodems.org/
http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
http://www.close.u-net.com/
http://www.linhardware.com/db/dispproduct.php3?DISP?1159
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999
Stephen,
Yes that is true. External modem will work on almost any machine. So one that is for
Windows ( not a winmodem) will also work for Linux. In fact it will work for a Mac if
you have the correct cable. Winmodems are the not a good thing, they will take CPU
cycles from the machine
On Fri, 07 Jul 2000, Jeff Graves wrote:
> No, i don't believe that any external windmodems exist. Internal modems are
> made by many different companies. NOT ALL INTERNAL MODEMS ARE WINMODEMS. I
> think that winmodems are only internal.
>
What about USB externals? I've RE
On Fri, 07 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> So let me get this straight most Internal modems are WinModems. Were as all
> External modems aren't WinModems?
>
Not true any more. All *SERIAL* based externals are non-winmodems.
However, make sure it's a SERIAL based modem, not a
No, i don't believe that any external windmodems exist. Internal modems are
made by many different companies. NOT ALL INTERNAL MODEMS ARE WINMODEMS. I
think that winmodems are only internal.
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From: Stephen King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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;re looking for a ruleset, there isn't one. The only thing
that you can do is ask if there is AT command (among other things) firmware
on the hardware. If yes, then I can't think of it not being a "hardware"
modem.
Lee Howard
At 09:26 AM 7/7/00 -0700, Stephen King wrote:
>S
> Resent-Cc:
> MBOX-Line: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 7 13:30:22 2000
> From: "Stephen King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> So let me get this straight most Internal modems are WinModems. Were as all
> External modems aren't WinModems?
> SK
All of the
At 11:26 AM 7/7/00 , you wrote:
>So let me get this straight most Internal modems are WinModems. Were as all
>External modems aren't WinModems?
>SK
Not quite. First, although it's often used generically, winmodem is
actually a real name of a ... US Robotics? product. So so
ardware that makes it a traditional modem and utilises a combination of the
> MMX part of the Intel Processors and the ermm AMD equivilant of MMX and
> software written for WinDoze. I could be wrong of course :)
>
Well, I suppose if you want to be EXTREMELY technical... :-)
Here's
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This describes Plug 'n Play not "soft" modems
>
> Linux supports Plug 'n Play
>
True. Howeve,r it's also true of "soft" modems. :-)
John
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On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Steve Dixon wrote:
> Actually our Lexmark that we have isn't.
>
Hmm...last I heard most of them were WinPrinters -- they are / were
very limited under Linux.
John
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So let me get this straight most Internal modems are WinModems. Were as all
External modems aren't WinModems?
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e intelligent guesses, try out the software,
examine the
results, modify their code based on other informed guesses, lather, rinse,
repeat.
Eventually, the most used Winmodems will probably have Linmodem drivers...
but it will
still be a while. And what makes it harder is that the developers are
try
Actually, it goes beyond that... I understand that _some_ winmodems have
been made to work with LINUX... The real big difference between most
winmodems & "real" modems is the lack of DSP hardware... A "real" modem has
ICs that do all the modulation, compression, decomp
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%-> one wonders what the next world's dumbest invention will be.
%-> winmonitors?
%-> winkeyboards? wincd-roms? winhard-drives? god, i wish i was being
%-> facetious. sigh.
Well, hrrmm... I'm reasonably certain that the next generation of external
modems which utilise the V.92 standard will b
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
>> Could someone define for me the difference between a winmodem and a
regular
>> modem?
>>
>WinModem is missing most of the hardware that makes a modem. It's
>replaced by software that EMULATES the missing hardware, thus making
>the processor do all the
This describes Plug 'n Play not "soft" modems
Linux supports Plug 'n Play
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Actually our Lexmark that we have isn't.
John Aldrich wrote:
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> On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, rpjday wrote:
> >
> > one wonders what the next world's dumbest invention will be. winmonitors?
> > winkeyboards? wincd-roms? winhard-drives? god, i wish i was being
> > facetious. sigh.
> >
> They've alre
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On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, John Aldrich wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> > Could someone define for me the difference between a winmodem and a
regular
> > modem?
> >
> WinModem is missin
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, rpjday wrote:
>
> one wonders what the next world's dumbest invention will be. winmonitors?
> winkeyboards? wincd-roms? winhard-drives? god, i wish i was being
> facetious. sigh.
>
They've already got WinPrinters. What do you think the Lexmark
printers are? :-/
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> Could someone define for me the difference between a winmodem and a regular
> modem?
> SK
>From one Stephen King to another (imagine that!)....
winmodems are missing hardware that the windows OS makes up for. Thus
winmodems need windows to
A regular modem has hard set com ports and IRQ's, usually set by jumpers
or not adjustable at all. A winmodem rely's on the windows operating
system to determine what com port it uses when you install the modem, and
it get's set temporaroly in a type of flash memory on the modem. This is
why win
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, John Aldrich wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> > Could someone define for me the difference between a winmodem and a regular
> > modem?
> >
> WinModem is missing most of the hardware that makes a modem. It's
> replaced by software that EMULATES the missing ha
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Stephen King wrote:
> Could someone define for me the difference between a winmodem and a regular
> modem?
>
WinModem is missing most of the hardware that makes a modem. It's
replaced by software that EMULATES the missing hardware, thus making
the processor do all the work tha
s
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:04:35 -0700
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<> Looking for a modem... Reading the modem HOWTO it says that modems that
require software to run will
>> not work with Linux.. Is this referring to modems such as the USR
Winmodems? Or modems that say,
>> "designed for Windows95" What modems should I stay awa
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Jeff Ivany wrote:
> Yes, stay away from anything that says it was designed for Win95. This
> usually implies it is PnP and most likely difficult (if not impossible)
Do not mislead... PnP modems work fine in Linux; Winmodems do not.
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 07:44:23PM -0400, Michael Hatzakis, Jr MD wrote:
> Looking for a modem... Reading the modem HOWTO it says that modems
> that require software to run will not work with Linux.. Is this
> referring to modems such as the USR Winmodems? Or modems that say,
> &
>> Looking for a modem... Reading the modem HOWTO it says that modems that
require software to run will
>> not work with Linux.. Is this referring to modems such as the USR
Winmodems? Or modems that say,
>> "designed for Windows95" What modems should I stay awa
>
>The following modems are not compatible with Red Hat Linux:
>
>Motorola ModemSURFR internal 56K
Well, somebody should tell my Motorola ModemSURFR internal 56K modem that
it is not compatible with Linux because it thinks that it is! I have had no
problems using this modem under Linu
Michael Hatzakis, Jr MD wrote:
> Looking for a modem... Reading the modem HOWTO it says that modems that require
>software to run will not work with Linux.. Is this referring to modems such as the
>USR Winmodems? Or modems that say, "designed for Windows95" What mod
the hardware will be the fifo buffers on winmodems and both fifo and data
pumps on hsp ( host signal processing ) modems such as zoltrix winhsp and
any other pc-tel chip based ones ...
A single unique choice you cant go wrong with is a usr sportster fax
external (33.6)
i heard of various
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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Michael Hatzakis, Jr MD wrote:
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:44:23 -0400
> From: "Michael Hatzakis, Jr MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Michael Hatzakis, Jr MD wrote:
>
> Looking for a modem... Reading the modem HOWTO it says that modems that require
>software to run will
> not work with Linux.. Is this referring to modems such as the USR Winmodems? Or
>modems that say,
> "designed for Windows95&
Looking for a modem... Reading the modem HOWTO it says that modems that require
software to run will not work with Linux.. Is this referring to modems such as the
USR Winmodems? Or modems that say, "designed for Windows95" What modems should I
stay away from..?
Mike
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