Re: XFS vs Ext4

XFS is a from the ground up journaling filesystem, whereas EXT4 is still a journal tacked on filesystem. That's said EXT4 has caught up to XFS and in some specific cases exceeded its performance but not all. The short version is it depends on what you are doing both have pros and cons, Here are

Re: Back UP

well if cron is broken you could take the sedghamer approach and install jobscheduler

Re: ctrl + alt + F1 issue

Keep going through the function keys (CTRL + ALT + F2, CTRL + ALT + F3, etc. ) eventually you will find the right one this is a common problem on systems with Wayland as opposed to X11. On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 6:17 PM Chen, Zhenhang wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > On my scientific linux desktop, I

Re: LSI MegaRAID management

LSI got split up a few years back the SANS went to Netapp and the raids went to Broadcom you should be able to find the linux tools here

Re: is the disk failing ?

Radha, Over the decades of my dealing with hundreds of thousands of disks in data centers my experience comes down to this. 1) if smart says its going to die trust it its rarely wrong about failures. 2) if smart says its fine, but you are getting IO errors use the badblocks and or fdisk to verify.

Re: is the disk failing ?

it predicts errors based on indicators. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM Konstantin Olchanski wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 04:20:03PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote: > > > > smart is predictive and doesn't catch all errors its also not compatible > > with all disks and c

Re: gaming laptop compatibility

be playable in most games if they need a budget gaming laptop On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:45 PM Paul Robert Marino <prmari...@gmail.com> wrote:I have an Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC its on the high end side and the battery life is terrible, but its got a desktop Ryzen 7 CPU 8 cores 16 threads,  a 4GB  AMD

Re: gaming laptop compatibility

I have an Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC its on the high end side and the battery life is terrible, but its got a desktop Ryzen 7 CPU 8 cores 16 threads, a 4GB AMD RX 580 video card, a 17" freesync screen. 32GB of ram,.an SSD, and a hard drive. The thing i like about it is I can easily play games on at

Re: Trouble with MySQL Server

So first thing first to get you back up and running run the following command "setenforce 0" This will set selinux into permissive mode then restart mysql. The next step is to reliable your file system a quick Google search can tell you how to do this. The next steps are a little more

Re: SIGTERM?

you understand the global sigterm correctly but there is a problem with relying on that. while it is true that a global sigterm is issued it is followed shortly afterward by a global kill. what that means is it may not give the database sufficient time to shutdown before killing it. whenever

Re: clock skew too great ** EXTERNAL **

Here is a question was it using preauth? In other words is there a key tab file in /etc? The other question is NTP set to sync the time on shutdown to the bios? There are a couple of reasons why I can think this might happen the first involves how NTP corrects the time and how it may interact

Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] clock skew too great ** EXTERNAL **

As I said they probably have a different setting for the allowed clock skew so I would check the time on the kerberos server Note in MIT kerberos in the krb5.conf file this can be set via the 'clockskew' option in the "libdefaults"section. It is specified in seconds and usually defaults to 300

Re: clock skew too great ** EXTERNAL **

no difference there the time in both protocals are based on EPOC which means it is always using GMT time regardless of the OS settings. So that should make no difference in this case, though without NTP involved that has been a know issue for encrytion in genneral so its not a bad question just

Re: clock skew too great ** EXTERNAL **

well the clock sqew allowed is a client side setting and may be different on the two the real question is what is the time on the kerberos server? the clock sqew probably there not on the clients, The clock sqew allowed is set in the/etc/krb5.conf file by default (and also has a default value if

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: scanner

From: miles.on...@cirrus.comSent: October 12, 2017 5:52 PMTo: prmari...@gmail.com; jason.bron...@gmail.com; scientific-linux-users@fnal.govSubject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: scanner On 10/12/2017 04:42 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: Interestingly my

Re: scanner

, an efficient 'hack' . On the plus side , could 'scan' a non-flat object.       Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 5:42 PM From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmari...@gmail.com> To: "Jason Bronner" <jason.bron...@gmail.com>, scientific-linux-users <scientifi

Re: scanner

Interestingly my father threw me for a loop on this now a days a low grade digital camera actually has higher resolution than most scanners so he uses one in a photo copy stand and then just copies the one file to his computer via a bluetooth enabled SD card which is faster than any scanner on

Re: How do I access mtp from the command line?

Mtp is a barely a protocol, its implementation actually differs widely for each device that uses it. I remember years ago I needed it for a old hard drive mp3 player I had and it was always annoying to get working to say the least. That said if you need support for a recent device that uses it

Re: reiserfs?

OK well reiserfs is actually EXT2 with a journal slapped on top of it just like EXT3 so you can try mounting it as readonly EXT2 though admittedly I haven't tried it it should work in theory, but certainly can't hurt if you try it in read only mode.   Original Message   From:

Re: selinux preventing access to directory net

It looks like you may be right that it's /proc/net Have you tried using the python audit tools such as audit2text to analyze them they can make it a lot easier to understand what's going on, though they usually don't tell you if there is a bool you can flip to fix it. That tool still needs to

Re: is it possible to update kernel on out-of-data SL5?

Not trustworthy ones On Jun 21, 2017 6:08 PM, "WILLIAM J LUTTER" wrote: > Recently there has been the "stack-clash" exploit that impacts several OS > including linux > > (CVE-2017-1000364). Unfortunately, I maintain several old SL5 PCs. For > instance, one of them is 5.7

Re: Perl 6 just hit

on the scene, is Perl 5 expected to continue to get full support > within SL? > Thanks. >Natalia. > > > On 12/28/16 3:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: >> >> Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use >> multiple CPU cores on Linux. its w

Re: Perl 6 just hit

~ >>> Computers are like air conditioners. >>> They malfunction when you open windows >>> ~~ > > > On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: >> >>

Re: Perl 6 just hit

Cool I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6 On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > Hi All, > > Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7 > > -T > > -- > ~~ > Computers are like air

Re: Regarding latest Linux level 3 rootkits

This thread raises some interesting point but I've seen a few misconceptions in it too first let me clear up the misconceptions. 1) busy box is meant to make the footprint on an appliance or live "CD" type distro smaller it is not for security. Rootkits that replace busy box have been seen in the

Re: Red Hat's new virtualization

I ran RHEV in production in a previous job to give you an idea its similar to VMWare vSphere. It allows you to have a single host manage you virtualization environment including live migrations. in addition it can monitors the virtual machines and hardware so if vms crash unexpectedly due to

Re: Perl window question

sure Ill send you some stuff when I get home tonight. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: >>>Original Message >>> From: ToddAndMargo >>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 23:00 >>> To: scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov >>> Subject: Perl window question >>>

Re: how to add packages that are not in the repo?

by the way for future reference yum provides */kalarm would have told you if it was in a package with a different name than you expect. also I always check rpm.pbone.net its very useful for finding rpm's in 3rd party repos. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Mark Stodola stod...@pelletron.com wrote:

Re: write permission error on a shared drive

Mahmood you will also probably need to learn about the setgid bit. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Mahmood N nt_mahm...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi A server and a client both run SL6.3. On server, I have exported a disk

Re: Final Solution to Chinese Break in

On 2014-10-04 21:26, Paul Robert Marino wrote: you may be right Interpol's economic crimes division might be the right way to go Ive never considered that before. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Bill Maidment b.

Re: Final Solution to Chinese Break in

is for victims. I gave up being a victim and liked the feeling. {o.o} On 2014-10-05 06:27, Paul Robert Marino wrote: That is because the secret service is part of the treasury department oddly enough. Even though they are most know for protecting the president they are actually a law enforcement

Re: Final Solution to Chinese Break in

One other problem is the FBI can only investigate criminals operating within the united states they really can't do any thing if the criminal is operating out of an other country due to their mandated scope of enforcement.In fact internet crimes are really difficult for any law enforcement because

Re: about realtime system

, to hear what they say on the subject: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/techpaper/latency-sensitive-perf-vsphere55.pdf Anyways, KVM will not handle latency any better than Vmware. - Original Message - From: Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com To: Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com Cc

Re: about realtime system

PS. That last paragraph was intended to respond to John not Nico. On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: Nico Depending on the role of the particular system and or which company I was working for at the time I've need one the other or both. In my

Re: about realtime system

, and high-performance computing have long been thought to be incompatible with virtualization. vSphere 5.5 includes a new feature for setting latency sensitivity in order to support virtual machines with strict latency requirements. - Original Message - From: Paul Robert Marino prmari

Re: about realtime system

Seriously lets take the high frequency trading thing off this list and any one else who wants to talk to me as well a out it, I'm perfectly happy to explain it.Further more I'm willing to explain the real problems with the world financial system but not on this list and certainly not on this

Re: XFS and dump?

Look at CXFS your dreams of using it on other operating systems are actually possible at least on a SAN.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Aug 2, 2014 10:53 PM, Brent L. Bates blbates1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but the proven, reliable, and fast file system is XFS, NOT ext4. ext4 is the new kid

Re: Clarity on current status of Scientific Linux build

well what I dont understand here is all of RHEL SRPMs are on a web server an can be downloaded if you have an entitlement. all you need is 1) the CA cert located here /usr/share/rhn/RHNS-CA-CERT on any Red Hat host. 2) the entitlement cert from subscription manager winch you can get off of

Re: bootable USB flash drive questions

Hi Urs here are a couple of notes on the subject I havent done it in a few years but my past experience may be useful. 1) on the subject of the mother board not supporting booting off the USB drive it doesn't matter because Grub supports it so if you install grub as the boot loader on your

Re: Wanted LDAP server configuration documents

That's an old good but out of date document.The big question is do you want to do LDAP 2 or 3.The big difference is Kerberos in 3 or not and are you planning to use no encryption or SSL as in version 2 or TLS as in version 3 which is similar but has some additional DNS requirements.Also that

Re: Sharing users among few hosts

TLS/SSL won't work correctly if you use the /etc/hosts file. That is the real constraint with LDAP and DNS.But its not that severe all you need to be able to do is forward and reverse lookup the host name and match it to the IP address.You do not really need the SRV records. As long as the name in

Re: Exchange server alternative?

Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: info sec is not the problem it's a record keeping issue. Info sec for email is *always* a problem. It's also critical to the record keeping: the ability to re-route, or delete, or backfill email needs to be handled. (Do not get me *started* on desires

Re: Exchange server alternative?

have you looked at openchange http://www.openchange.org/index.html It's been a few years since I looked at it but the goal is to create a exchange server replacement. On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops, sorry! I thought you were looking for an AD

Re: What happened to adobe repository ?

FYI they also did the same thin with Shockwave Flash player for Linux too.Apparently Adobe doesn't care about the linux user market share any more.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jan 15, 2014 10:56, Graham Allan al...@physics.umn.edu wrote: On 1/15/2014 4:20 AM, Urs Beyerle wrote: Adobe discontinued

RE: Fedora Scientific Spin

I'm not touching this question lol.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jan 15, 2014 22:40, Jean-Victor Côté jean-v.c...@sympatico.ca wrote: There could be a Long Term Support (LTS) option for Fedora Scientific, built from the latest stable release and tested by the builders. This sounds a bit like Ubuntu,

Re: RedHat CentOS acquisition: stating the obvious

Well in general my company uses SL or depending on the business unit CentOS for non critical systems and Red Hat on every thing mission critical, not because they think it works better just because of appearances. If there is an outage on a critical system that effects the bottom line the first

Re: Centos vs. SL

if Red Hat decided to go back to a two or three year life cycle then SL's policy would change back to providing security patches over a longer period of time.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jan 9, 2014 18:39, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 09/01/14 23:13, Paul Robert Marino wrote

Re: DNS Servers

Bind works well period!That said one of my favorite DNS appliances uses PowerDNS under the hood and it works very well too if you configure it correctly.The others I really can't speak to because I've never used them.It really comes down to this you need to balance your budget as compared to man

Re: DNS Servers

I in theory would like webmin for this in a fast and dirty development environment, but it still has too many infosec problems for my taste for production.In the past when I had the time and work driven focus to harden webmin with only custom module which all used sudo for an appliance I was able

Re: Centos / Redhat announcement

Absolutely right. Red Hat is only obliged to provide source code to those who they have shared the software with, nor are they required to package the software and thief patches in an easy to compile format like source RPM packages.Now there is absolutely nothing that prevents some one who pays

Re: DNS Servers

Its doable to have bind be your DNS for AD it just takes some work and planing. The primary thing is make sure dynamic DNS works properly.The big catches there are making sure you have the right Service entries and ensuring dynamic DNS works correctly. By the way neither of theism are AD specific

Re: Still having problem with epel

sounds like a bad mirror or an SSL issue. Here are possible things on your host or network that can cause SSL not to work correctly 1) your system clock is severely incorrect time by a few hours or days this can cause an error because one of the systems thinks its a replay attack. 2) you must have

Re: Network dies unexpectedly

This was caused by an internal hardware watchdog built into Intel network cards, it detected an error and disabled the interface on the hardware level until you rebooted and the cards memory was cleared. It looks like the card may have lost clock sync with its neighbor which is odd that basically

Re: Expansion plans

Look ahh the stock virtualization under SL6 with oVirt as a manager especially if you have any real time requirements as long as you don't over book the CPU cores or if you need PCIe pass through of hardware cards its a much better choice than VMware.For authentication look at FreeIPAAnd for

Re: Unexplained Kernel Panic / Hung Task

Yup that's a hardware problem.It may be a bad firmware on the controller I would check the firmware version first and see if there is a patch. I've seen this kind of thing with Dell OEMed RAID controllers enough over the years that that's almost always the first thing I try.-- Sent from my HP

Re: Unexplained Kernel Panic / Hung Task

Well I tend to discount the driver idea because of an other problem he has involving multiple what I think are identical machines . Also any problems I've ever had with the ccsis driver were usually firmware related an a update or roll back usually corrects them.Besides the based on what I've

Re: Unexplained Kernel Panic / Hung Task

...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/04/2013 05:51 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: Well I tend to discount the driver idea because of an other problem he has involving multiple what I think are identical machines . Also any problems I've ever had with the ccsis driver were usually firmware related an a update

RE: issue in CD not ejecting at the end of OS installation

Eject is a valid kickstart directive you don't need to put it in a post. Additionally if you don't include the eject package in your package then in a post statement it won't work because the post by default execute chrooted into the installed OS-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Oct 21, 2013 8:13, Edison,

Re: NFTables To Replace iptables In the Linux Kernel

Well I've heard this before Nf-Hipac http://www.hipac.org/ was at one time slated to be the next big thing. I'm not holding my breath on this one and if it does replace all of the existing tools expect it to be a few years before you see it in production any where. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:47

Re: how to change the CD mount point

Um well that's not a porting issue that's a basic sysadmin issue.If the CD isn't being automouted by a GUI like they usually are nowadays then look at '/etc/fstab'.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Oct 15, 2013 8:07, Edison, Arul (GE Healthcare) aruljeyananth.jamesedi...@ge.com wrote: HI,

Re: how to change the CD mount point

The automount tools in the GUI usually use the label of the CD as the mount point so the only way to ensure the name is the same regardless of the label is to specify it in the /etc/fstab file.And yes that line should work in SL6-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Oct 15, 2013 17:09, Steven J. Yellin

Re: Finding the files in a package

I always userpm.pbone.netin advanced search mode for that.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Oct 2, 2013 10:18, Loris Bennett loris.benn...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Bruno Pereira brunopereir...@gmail.com writes: Please notice that apt-file is not installed by default on a clean Debian system. dpkg -S

Re: How a user can execute a file from anothe user

Warning running commands out of an other users home directory is ill advised and should be avoided at all costs. By changing the users home directory permissions you may cause problems as a side effect. For example if the user logs in via ssh and uses a key for authentication it may fail due to

Re: About the time sync for linux guest under vmware of windows xp host

It sounds like your network on the VMware side isn't configured correctly.Also you should always use VMware tools to sync your time instead of NTP on VMware virtual machines.VMWare hypervisor plays games with the clock on purpose and can cause a VM with NTP enabled to behave erratically.-- Sent

Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] Any rumors on rhel 7?

I somewhat agree however I still think systemd needs an other year or two to bake before its enterprise ready.1) the scripts are still too new and most of them haven't been thoroughly thought out yet. There are a lot of things that change when you switch from simple start and stop scripts to using

Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] Any rumors on rhel 7?

n't change any thing already in it) version of the XML dumped by the ipset command.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Aug 18, 2013 12:42, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:21 PM, zxq9 z...@zxq9.com wrote:

Re: UDP message not recevied at port 8100 with Scientific Linux 6.3

-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Aug 16, 2013 14:36, Konstantin Olchanski olcha...@triumf.ca wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:24:36AM -0700, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 02:01:20PM +, Edison, Arul (GE Healthcare) wrote: Hi all, The application that I run

Re: New Install of 6.4 - no Internet step 2, 3

I use XFCE on fedoraI would like to see it on EL 7.Its a good balance of usability without the bloat that Gnome and KDE have developed over the years.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Aug 12, 2013 13:42, Jeffrey Anderson jdander...@lbl.gov wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Larry Linder

Re: Bug in yum-autoupdate

Here here-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Aug 4, 2013 15:13, Mark Stodola stod...@pelletron.com wrote: Can we please end this discussion? It has become extremely off topic at this point and no longer has _any_ direct impact on Scientific Linux.

Re: Bug in yum-autoupdate

Seriously are we still beating this dead horse. While I admit I was the one who took this conversation on a tangent in the first place, every valid point of view on this has been covered from both sides.No resolution will come of it!From here its an intellectual pissing contest lets end it!-- Sent

Re: Upgrade SLC5 to SLC6 ?

depends on what is installed. And how much /etc differs from default. One story if it is, let say, minimal install with dhcp server, another story if it is host filled with all possible software in active use. Anton. On Jul 30, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote

RE: Large filesystem recommendation

fast.EXT4 still pre-allocates all of the possible inodes during formating and writes to the inodes before the journal-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jul 25, 2013 1:17, Paul Robert Marino prmari...@gmail.com wrote: That's cool I've never noticed that I the documentation but I'll look for it.-- Sent from

Re: Problem with errata dates?

This is the wrong list for this question it should be on the spacewalk list but to answer your question its a known issue with the repo-sync process. What you will also notice is the version numbers on the errata's are incrementing in spacewalk every time you do a repo sync.There has been some

Re: Application severs cease to start after latest kernel upgrade

Check tour audit logs-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jun 13, 2013 1:53 PM, x...@gmx.com x...@gmx.com wrote: Dear All, We upgraded our kernel with a new one (2.6.32-358.11.1.el6) today and since then we have not been able to run any of our Application Server

Re: New person publishing security errata

Welcome, Bonnie On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Connie Sieh cs...@fnal.gov wrote: I am glad to announce that we have added Bonnie King as one of the people who will be publishing security errata. She will be publishing security errata this week. -Connie Sieh

has any one else noticed all the duplicate packages in EPEL

In the last few weeks I have noticed a lot of duplicate packages in EPEL which are included in the base OS this breaks kickstarts and updates through spacewalk. here are just 2 tickets I put in today https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=972490

Re: advice on using latest firefox from mozilla

Todd and Margo (I'm never sure who I'm addressing with you lol)There is a long standing security reason non root users can't update software which affect all users on the system. Remember over all *ux design is based on a multi user model where only people granted root access by password access or

Re: Netrwork dropping transmitted packages on fresh SL 6.4 install

Elrepo is your problem they often push untested updated drivers.Use the drivers that came with the kernel they may not have all the features but they should work.Do not install kmod-8169.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On May 4, 2013 4:11 AM, Bill Maidment b...@maidment.vu wrote: Hi againI've just rebuilt

Re: Issues with the recent kernel and proprietary nvidia drivers

Um wellFrankly the proprietary driver is never up to date with the kernel and it is well that's luck if it ever works with a new version of the kernel after you have reinstalled "recompiled the module with code you can't see against the new code"If you have a problem with the proprietary driver

Re: A silly question

Well this is sort of a question I answer at work all the time so I can tell you and I know there are sites and even Linux journal articles that explain it.Essentially both labs had their own in-house compiled versions of RHEL already for slightly different reasons but CERNs was called LTS (long

Re: Power management with ATI Radeon cards using the radeon driver.

StevenWow thanks for sharing that, its certainly useful information about the kernel Radeon driver I didn't know.I wonder if its true for the AMD fusion as well or does it scale based on the CPU frequency since the are on the same die? Looks like I have some experiments to do latter.-- Sent from

Re: nfs+xfs - was Re: SL6.3 2.6.32-358.2.1.el6.x86_64 kernel panic

I've used XFS for over a decade now. Its the most reliable crash resistant filesystem I've ever used according to all my tests and experience. But I have had a few bad patches on older versions of RHEL (before RedHat started supporting it) where it didn't work well, but historicity its worked

Re: nfs+xfs - was Re: SL6.3 2.6.32-358.2.1.el6.x86_64 kernel panic

10:53 AM, Vladimir Mosgalin mosga...@vm10124.spb.edu wrote: Hi Paul Robert Marino! On 2013.03.18 at 08:55:39 -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote next: I've used XFS for over a decade now. Its the most reliable crash resistant filesystem I've ever used according to all my tests and experience

Re: need command line support of zoho

Well that depends.If its clear text and you have the right flags set it will show you all of the raw data.Wireshark can in many cases decode it further.However if it ssl/tls encrypted there is a tool much to most infosec peoples dismay (and joy when its useful ) called ssldump that can take a

Re: Installing on a new laptop

I have an X120e as well and simply changing the hard drive doesn't fix the eufi issue. the first answer to this string is correct with two cavorts RedHat got two signed certs one fro RHEL and the other for Fedora. apparently the process was a nightmare but they will work with secure boot. for that

Re: puppet

The only problem I ever had with cfengine is the documentation was never all that great but it is stable and scales well. That being said puppet is not perfect many of the stock recipes for it you find on the web don't scale well and to get it to scale you really need to be a ruby programer. My