Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting
in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe
buzz, but here goes...
S P O I L E R S ! ! !
I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was
well-paced
*groan* that was painful to watch...
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wrote:
Thoughts on Starfleet Academy's newest commander?
Okay. Getting real Trek geek here...
SPOILERS!
SPOILERS!
SPOILSRS!
Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see
guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain
unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however
He did a great job!!! Still wont watch his show(s) though.
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:25 AM, sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com wrote:
*groan* that was painful to watch...
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brotherfromhoward brotherfromhow...@... wrote:
Well she only has a couple bad guys
-Shadow King
-Morlocks
-Enclosed Spaces
-Marvel's Writers
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote:
clockwork, she probably does have several potentials, within X-continuity.
I can't think of any because, honestly, I
That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words.
If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie.
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From : sincere1906
As is my wont to do, I watched Titan A.E. (on THRILLER MAX!) with the sound off
while I listened to NPR's Sunday Morning on the radio while reading my two
sunday newspapaers and surfing the web. The voice-over talent was aces - Matt
Damon, Bill Pullman, John Leguizamo, Nathan Lane, Janeane
Well, I caught two of the ads that you mentioned and I did shake my head. I
liked it better when we didn't have ads embedded within our movies but those
are the times that we live in.
** spoilers ***
It disturbed me that it two genocides to reboot this franchise, but I accepted
the
Great commentary! Pleasure to have you back in our universe, Black
Galactus(you should have sent your (black) herald to prepare us for your long
awaited uncloaking)!
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 sincere1...@... wrote:
Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8
And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of
my life--*loved* the movie!
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I just watched it on demand yesterday, and I couldn't agree with you more.
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Sin, i see your points and to a point i agree. the new movie does change a
couple of class trek eps. AMOK Time and Children of the Gods being the first
to that come 2 mind. then it was the ep - which i am sorry i cannot remember
the name, but the one when Sarek and Amanda beam onto the
In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1...@gmail.com writes:
My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some
universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but
a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie
The voice casting is one of the worst things about Titan AE. It's a
great picture, for a mostly American production.
On May 10, 2009, at 9:50 AM, ravenadal wrote:
As is my wont to do, I watched Titan A.E. (on THRILLER MAX!) with
the sound off while I listened to NPR's Sunday Morning on
I sorta liked JJ Abrams' tribute to that scene.
On May 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Aubrey Leatherwood wrote:
I just watched it on demand yesterday, and I couldn't agree with
you more.
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actually i enjoyed the cameo from tyler.
Fate.
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com wrote:
From: sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Admiral Tyler Perry
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 4:25 AM
Daryle,
i agree. i think it was done on purpose. only people who have really watched
trek understood that scene. my wife grabbed my hand and said immediately
Wrath of Khan she loves the classic series - hell half of my dvr space is
her recordings of star trek.
Fate.
--- On Sun, 5/10/09,
I had forgotten how reverential (one of the chief faults of Star Trek: the
Motion Picture) The Wrath of Khan is - starting with Leonard Nimoy's iconic
Rock Rushmore head and moving on to Kirk's first star entrance on the command
deck, to the long, loving gaze at the Enterprise leaving star
Now THAT was good stuff! How ironic is it that Nicolas Meyer wrote and
directed both one of the best Star Trek movies: The Wrath of Khan and,
arguably, one of the worst: The Undiscovered Country, (which had the ignoble
distinction of breaking the streak of the even numbered Trek movies being
I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the
reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences.
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Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not
going to like this film.
I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or
even, at this point, care.
Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia.
That leaves more seats for the rest of us.
Justin
On
And the canonical differences are the things we were always arguing
about ANYWAY, which makes this reset brilliant.
A lot of the things we accept as Trek law is stuff that happened
under Berman and Braga. Let's not forget, if we follow the actual
timeliine of events, time had been
IMAX seats, thank you!
On May 10, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Justin Mohareb wrote:
Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're
not going to like this film.
I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or
even, at this point, care.
Let them stew in
From The Wrath of Khan [On whether Kirk should assume command from Spock]
Spock: If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion.
Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny; anything else is a waste of
material.
GTw:
I think you are dead on regarding the Galactica SyndromeExcept I do not
know whether I agree with the case of Battlestar I. Battlestar did not as
fair well over 30 years in syndication as Star Trek and its attempts a
sequels and movies did not yield much fruit. I suspect it also did not
I can adapt. Have nostalgia for those parts of our past , while embracing
something ,new and DIFFERENT in the now. However, I empathize with those
who cannot. Change is hard.
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Behalf Of Justin Mohareb
Sent: Sunday, May
Don't worry. Abrams won't be directing the sequel. He's already done with it,
bored and ready for the next thing that's caught his eye. We just don't know
what that is yet.
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Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The
nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The
same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the
show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled,
KHN!
I really want to see that again... ;-D
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From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Dude
This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's
frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against
without having seen it. Seriously.
God that movie was GREAT.
Bosco
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com
(Now, Saldana is waaay too skinny for my tastes BUT there IS a picture of her
wearing a mini-skirt at the movie premiere if you follow the link)
~rave!
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Saldana's Uhura makes history again
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Karl Urban fleshes out a younger Bones in 'Star Trek'
by Robert W. Butler
For several years now, New Zealand-born Karl Urban has been the guy filmmakers
turned to if a character had to ride a
Your right to believe and enjoy. Mine not to. Thank you for caring enough to
try to steer me your way, but I feel that I've got to make a stand here. To
quote Picard in First Contact, This far and no further!
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You guys know my heart skips a beat when you guys call me Exalted List
Goddess, so it is particularly touching on mother's day. Thanks. I'm
thrilled everyone is returning home today..and even more thrilled that we
have some active new blood
Thank you for the cool Mother's day wishes
Martin:
Why can't you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and
complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bosco Bosco
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM
To:
In a message dated 5/10/09 11:45:06 AM, adrianne.bren...@gmail.com writes:
I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the
reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences.
At least in the Doctor Who reboots they made a great effort to at least
Martin,
Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's
worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me.
when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat!
Fate.
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella
GW,
The Galactica Syndrome... I like that! :)
I should state, I really *like* what was done with the new Galactica. That was
a true rebooting that borrowed elements of the original and came up with
something fresh and new. And I might argue that BSG's changes were appreciated
by people like
Daryle,
Those are some great points! True indeed, how many times has the timeline been
altered already with flagrant offenders like Kirk (old Kirk)? And, one more
time, what about those Temporal Authorities that exist in the far future that
attempt to assure the timeline remains generally
ROTFL. Man just the image of Picard in that scene has me laughing. But recall
that Picard's Ahab-like obstinance had to be tempered by Alfree Woodard... You
broke your little ships. See the movie, please, if only so I can find a
like-minded person who likes Trek's vision and principles to gripe
I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this
non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a
convoluted argument about Trek loyalties.
Meta
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... wrote:
Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that,
I was a near instance Picard fan, mainly because he was the total opposite of
Kirk. If Kirk had been killed at anytime during TOS, I'd
have leaped for joy.:) I really didn't like him until the movies appeared.
Watching the movie today I found myself really liking this Kirk, much to my
But this is scifinoir...where we can get into convulted arguments about
everything from individuality and consciousness in the Borg to whether Balrogs
have wings. That's what makes this little reality Tracey created for us so
special--cuz we can't do so in most other places. And fear not, I'm
For me it indeed 'felt' like Trek. I guess its a case of YMMV.
Meta
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 sincere1...@... wrote:
GW,
You've hit the proverbial nail on the head. It was a good movie, I enjoyed
much of it, but it didn't *feel* like Trek. And when some people hear
LOL You're right Tracey. Griping can be fun! When I become an old man, I plan
on being a master griper. I'm practicing now! :)
One point of contention however, I don't know if this is about being a
traditionalist or whether one can adapt--at least not for me. I liked the
old Star Trek I
I can only say that I'll consider it, sin. I still feel as though paying to see
something I know I won't like is a violation of my ethics. (I know, you ask how
I can say with such certainty that I don't like something I've never laid eyes
on. My answer is my own Little Voice. It's saved my
sin, I had a hit off the whisper-stream a few months back, that a crossover
with the original Trek timeline was a possible go.
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From : sincere1906
Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In
recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see,
almost all of which turned out to be crap.
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Bosco, again, I'm on the record. I feel as though... if I put my money down on
something which, in the long run, I feel is going to fail (this movie itself
won't -- I'm certain that it'll end up as one of the top-three box-office
champs of the year, but Abrams, again, has a track record of
Tracey, you should change your post-name to that.
Truth in advertising, after all... ;-D
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From : Tracey de Morsella
That is why I want him to see it. Griping is part of the tradition and fun
of the reboot remake experience and I want to see you snark through Star
trek like you do so well Martin :)
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
Me too. I think this type of discourse is part of the fun of the list.
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sincere1906
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2f009 2:03 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New
I griped all through Voyager and Enterprise, but I still watch them both and
on occasion gripe. I griped at first about Battlestar 2 and came to love
it and now I'm ambivalent...sigh - you know if they will have me in reruns
and Caprica. I have not seen this Trek. Next Friday--- can't wait.
With Meta in the house if we can get George and Leslie commenting as well as
the new family members it will be a true star trek/scifinoir family reunion
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Meta
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009
I was too and my Mom wanted to marry him, but I remember there were many who
initially thought the casting was way off base
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Meta
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:57 PM
To:
C’mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable?
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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Fate, I'm on the
Don’t kill me if I send you some new trek action figures in the mail for
Christmas. I like getting your gander up
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:49 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
You ain’t allowed to leave, so forget that. Keep griping--- many of us
empathize
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:22 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take
This from the person who is saying that I should watch series five no matter
what. ;)
Hey, at least you could watch the movie and figure out what you liked and
didn't like then. I sat through that atrocity known as The Doctor's
Daughter and being drunk wasn't enough to make it charming. Now I can
With all of the discussion of alternative timestreams here
Are people thinking that future movies might try to mingle the two alternative
Star Trek histories? I certainly hope not. (Mr. Shatner might yet talk
himself into the new Trek!)
If this is the new history, I hope they go forward
Don't forget that she ended up dating Tennant who played her dad. That
kinda made it worse for me
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Sunday , May 10, 2009 4:21 PM
I sat through that atrocity known as The Doctor's
Wasn't Tom Baker briefly married to Lalla Ward (one of the Romanas)?
Yeah...1980 to 1982 according to Wiki.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:
Don't forget that she ended up dating Tennant who played her dad. That
kinda made it worse for me
Someone took my My Take review opening, so I had to change my subject line!
:)
My quick take: The new Star Trek is a fun movie, full of jokes ( a few too many
perhaps), exciting action scenes, and great FX. The cast is good, the updates
to the ship not too bad, and the stage is set for future
oops. guilty as charged. i ain't been back on here enuff to know that was yer
thing Keith. apologies. :) good review tho!
Sin
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote:
Someone took my My Take review opening, so I had to change my subject line!
:)
My quick
Some elegant chess playing there. You are thinking 10 moves ahead!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote:
Yeah see, once Spock spilled the trans-warp equation, I knew he
was going to be a problem. He proved to BE said problem by having a
conversation
Man, I'm just funnin'! thanks, loved your comments too. Trying to catch up to
comment on your comments!
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From: sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:04:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject:
Damn. You just made some red matter suck my brain into a black hole... those
are alot of conundrums unleashed by this timeline/alternate reality change. I
hadn't thought of any of those, and now there must be hundreds of others. Alot
of Trek geeks are out of a job, and we've entered an ultimate
Yes I remember the episode that you are talking about when Riker fell in love
were there was a planet with no gender. Out of all of the Star Trek series the
only one that pushed the envelope just a little was DS9. I consider that show
the step child of the series due to the fact it was a series
I remember that one. It was the season that I wish that Tasha would have killed
Wesley a little sooner. But I suppose on that planet Star Trek failed the
mention that the women weren’t having it!!!
--Lavender
From: Mr. Worf
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:14 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
I hope to see this tomorrow, which would be today when this email is posted.
I too am a core trekkie. I am not saying that I am the one that is dressed
in uniform as I am writing this. I have always felt that a movie needs to
bring in a new crowd but with doing that not to loose the old one. We
Maybe they were too busy watching to see if Janeway and Seven was going to
break it again.
--Lavender
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From: sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:36 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek-
As far as Merritt Butrick, the person who played Kirk's son, I wonder what
happened to him.
--Lavender
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From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:08 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Watching The
I don't know...The Color Purple starting Chris Brown and Rihanna?
--Lavender
From: Martin Baxter
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:37 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Don't worry. Abrams won't be directing the sequel. He's already
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