> The exception does not make the rule. Soceity has never been at risk
> of being over run by society shunning monks and thinkers. For most
> people personal choice is a way of acting out their desires away from
> the glare of social censure.
An exception usually attempts to disprove the rule, and
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Deepak Shenoy wrote:
>> To balance the personal with the social and familial is a tough thing
>> to do in the modern world where choices are increasingly personal
>> because the personal has a short-termist appeal to the curious.
>
> I can't agree with this; person
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On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
wrote:
> Aadisht Khanna [31/03/12 09:54 +0530]:
>>
>> On 29-03-2012 20:44, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>> Cheeni, do you have a citation for this
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
wrote:
> Aadisht Khanna [31/03/12 09:54 +0530]:
>>
>> On 29-03-2012 20:44, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>> Cheeni, do you have a citation for this, please? I was under the
>> impression that income tax (and therefore any benefits or exemptions t
On Mar 31, 2012 6:26 AM, "Aadisht Khanna" wrote:
>
> On 29-03-2012 20:44, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> >
> > Affluence is definitely a prime culprit - during the zenith of the
> > Imperium Romanum there was a similar crisis when free Romans didn't
> > want to marry, because it was a drag, orgies we
Aadisht Khanna [31/03/12 09:54 +0530]:
On 29-03-2012 20:44, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
Cheeni, do you have a citation for this, please? I was under the
impression that income tax (and therefore any benefits or exemptions to
it) was a twentieth century invention.
1799 in england to be specific. b
On 29-03-2012 20:44, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>
> Affluence is definitely a prime culprit - during the zenith of the
> Imperium Romanum there was a similar crisis when free Romans didn't
> want to marry, because it was a drag, orgies were much fun. Roman
> society had to introduce a variety of inc
On Thursday 29 Mar 2012 8:44:13 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> The new way of the individual is new to humanity - it's never been
> attempted at this scale heretofore. Barring the mendicants and
> eccentrics, the way of society has almost always revolved around the
> family and the tribe.
Speaking
ss [30/03/12 09:07 +0530]:
Srini there are thousands upon thousands of records. The internet is nowadays
bursting with them. Many are oral but an increasing number are documented.
Many are now being documented as family narratives, and some of those are
I will agree with Shiv on this.
On Thursday 29 Mar 2012 10:12:14 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> but in general
> there are very few records from commoners in the last century.
Srini there are thousands upon thousands of records. The internet is nowadays
bursting with them. Many are oral but an increasing number are documented.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:35 AM, ss wrote:
>>
>> With India's historical disdain for the humanities, neither historian
>> nor sociologist was around to fully record or explain the scale of the
>> destruction.
>
> Srini this is wrong. The history and and sociologuists merely wroet out their
> biase
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> But, Cheeni, you criticise Shiv for terming it "dharma vs adharma"but
> when you call it a "silent killer of the night" (I remembered Bhopal when I
> read that)...you too, take a judgemental stance.
It is a silent killer because it killed
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:16:52PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote:
> This is not just an Indian thing. It is traditional in Canada to have
> a "cottage" or "cabin" at the lake, and there are so many lakes that
Same thing in Finnland, presumably.
> even people of very modest means can often manage to hav
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> People who desire choice in their career will also desire a choice in
> their partner, in their beliefs, in their religion, in their social
> circle, in every aspect of life primarily because there's no coercive
> counter force. Once car
On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012 9:33:51 pm Heather Madrone wrote:
> I don't think that it was worth it to trade in the extended family for
> industrial society. I think it has led to generations of people who are
> far more stressed and depressed than previous generations. I think that
> people traded
> Wealth is a moving target of course, and leaves one very open to the
> vagaries of economics and there's no generational stability like one
> used to have with reputation and family heritage.
On the other hand, reputation inheritance has had substantially higher
problems with slotting, caste sys
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> I cannot believe that the old system was always good; the concept of family
> before self, of duty before self, did, in my opinion, lead to a lot of bad
> practices, and deep unhappiness. This was especially so when a person did
> not believe
On 3/27/12 5:39 PM March 27, 2012, John Sundman wrote:
1) I remain grateful for having been invited to this list. I enjoy it
very much, even if many of the references and allusions elude me.
This is true for me as well.
2) About children and day & night care: I, a parent with 75+
parent-year
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:24 AM, ss wrote:
[...]
>
> But regular time off once a week is alien in India, cruel as it may sound.
> If
> you look at Indian businessmen, traders, farmers and priests there is no
> concept of taking one day off in a week. Oh yes people take time off
> regularly
> eve
On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012 9:36:06 am Deepa Mohan wrote:
> My sambandhi (child's spouse's parents
> are "sambandhi" or "those who have a tie") used a perceptive phrase...he
> said, we are not human beings but human doings. We can rarely just be.
Interesting. Is that in Tamil? It is clearly of Sanskr
On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012 3:07:13 pm ashok _ wrote:
> interesting. i still remember my dear grandmother (unfortunately
> passed on now) asking me if i "had any negro friends" (note: the terms
> negro was not said in a derogatory way, but quaint english use... but
> the idea of inferiority was perhap
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, ss wrote:
> But I think the focus will have to shift outside India to find out who thought
> up the idea of a 40 hour week. I recall that when I was a boy, most developed
> western nations had only Sunday off and maybe half day Saturday. I vaguely
> recall the time
On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012 8:39:47 am Radhika, Y. wrote:
> interest concept: women of leisure. in my experience i have only found men
> to be leisurely.
Not surprising. Given a society where man gets a weekend off from work, he gets
"leisure" compared to the woman who works all day every day at hom
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:35 AM, ss wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012 5:01:51 am Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, ss wrote:
>
> http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k566/bennedose/LRM-intro-ii-part.jpg
> This one classified human races as possibly being as different as
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
wrote:
> We've kind of had to modify our habits a lot
>
> Safe options like parks, the beach, temples etc. And movies if any, only of
> the happy feet, alvin and the chipmunks etc variety
> --
> srs (blackberry)
>
> This is not as easy as it
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> It was so common
> for the "women and children" to go for the summer holiday for four or more
> weeks, and the "man of the house" to join them for a much briefer period.
This is not just an Indian thing. It is traditional in Canada to have
a
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Radhika, Y. wrote:
> interest concept: women of leisure. in my experience i have only found men
> to be leisurely.
Leisure is, in itself, quite a concept to muse on! Leisure, I think, is the
gap that one can either voluntarily take, or that involuntarily happens
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interest concept: women of leisure. in my experience i have
interest concept: women of leisure. in my experience i have only found men
to be leisurely.
On Wednesday 28 Mar 2012 5:01:51 am Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, ss wrote:
> > The former conforms to dharma, the latter is adharma.
>
> With India's historical disdain for the humanities, neither historian
> nor sociologist was around to fully record or explain t
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>
>
>Articulateness versus rhetoric with loaded terminology is always an
>interesting distinction
>
>People in a comfort zone (stay at home spouse, extended family etc available
>to t
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, ss wrote:
&
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This is not as easy as it sounds. Movies and plays are out of the question,
since the kid can't be trusted to keep quiet. Pubs are completely out-
no
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> From: John Sundman
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [silk] Fwd: Life and Love in Bangalore
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>
>> On Tue, M
On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, ss wrote:
>> The former conforms to dharma, the latter is adharma.
>
>
> India went through an even greater transition in the last 70 some
> independent years, second only to the Chinese cultural revoluti
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, ss wrote:
> > The former conforms to dharma, the latter is adharma.
>
> India went through an even greater transition in the last 70 some
> independent years, second only to the Chinese cultural revoluti
Saritha Rai's article only examines the lives of MNC employed parents. Are
there no other parents in Bangalore or is that her mandate - examine only
the lives of the wealthy?
>
>
>
>
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, ss wrote:
> The former conforms to dharma, the latter is adharma.
The many liberated Communist states have their favorite coping phrases
to describe their transition to a market economy and its effect on
society. When human and economic dreams soared and crashed
u
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2012 10:21 AM, "Deepa Mohan" wrote:
>>
>> Saritha Rai's new fortnightly column in the New York Times online-
>>
>> http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/when-daycare-slips-into-night-care
>
> Not that long ago a major
This is not as easy as it sounds. Movies and plays are out of the question,
since the kid can't be trusted to keep quiet. Pubs are completely out-
noise, smoke, Lady Gaga, etc. In addition, kids need to sleep early, so you
can't stay out too late.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:11 PM, ashok _ wrote:
On Tuesday 27 Mar 2012 1:49:54 pm Deepa Mohan wrote:
> Saritha Rai's new fortnightly column in the New York Times online-
> http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/when-daycare-slips-into-night-car
> e /
>
> How do you all feel about it?
>
> Deepa.
For the heck of it I post a slightly edited
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Biju Chacko wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Chetan Nagendra
> wrote:
> > Appalled by the parents mentioned in the article. Gross negligence by any
> > standards. Why have kids in the first place?
>
> Every couple of months we go through a panic stricken
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
>
> Saritha Rai's new fortnightly column in the New York Times online-
> http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/when-daycare-slips-into-night-care
> /
>
> How do you all feel about it?
>
I dont get the night care part. can't they go out wi
Biju Chacko [27/03/12 19:22 +0530]:
The unspoken assumption in both this thread and the 40-hour week one
that anyone who sacrifices family or personal time for work is a bad
parent is, quite frankly, elitist crap. Sexist too, because it's the
mothers who face the brunt of criticism.
agree 100%.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Chetan Nagendra wrote:
> Appalled by the parents mentioned in the article. Gross negligence by any
> standards. Why have kids in the first place?
Every couple of months we go through a panic stricken routine of
trying to replace our nanny. I've been lucky enough t
Appalled by the parents mentioned in the article. Gross
negligence by any standards. Why have kids in the first place?
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On Mar 27, 2012 10:21 AM, "Deepa Mohan" wrote:
>
>
> Saritha Rai's new fortnightly column in the New York Times online-
>
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/when-daycare-slips-into-night-care
Not that long ago a major controversy broke out in Switzerland when one of
the affected children
On 27-Mar-12 1:49 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
>
> Saritha Rai's new fortnightly column in the New York Times online-
> http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/when-daycare-slips-into-night-care
> /
>
> How do you all feel about it?
This actually seems like an extension of the "40 hour week" threa
Saritha Rai's new fortnightly column in the New York Times online-
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/when-daycare-slips-into-night-care
/
How do you all feel about it?
Deepa.
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