Re: [Sip-implementors] Authorization of incoming call

2012-01-12 Thread Paul Kyzivat
What is the real concern here? Why would you care if the caller has registered? SIP does not require registration to send requests. I guess you either are concerned that the caller is somehow authorized to call you, or call anybody, or else you are concerned with whether you can trust the

Re: [Sip-implementors] Expected UAC behavior when a reliable/non-reliable 18x without SDP is recieved for an INVITE sent without an offer and require 100 rel

2012-01-06 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Cc: Paul Kyzivat Subject: [Sip-implementors] Expected behavior for an INVITE sent without an offer Hi, What should be the behavior of UAC when an INVITE is sent without offer and Require 100rel and it receives non-reliable/reliable 18x response without SDP? Should the transaction

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reduce the time to send UPDATE message in SIP call

2011-12-29 Thread Paul Kyzivat
As already asked, are you presuming use of Session Timer to drive the sending of the UPDATEs? Assuming A and B are both UAs, not proxies, then there is no need to use session timer to negotiate keep-alives. (Session Timer is primarily for the benefit of proxies in the route.) A UA may send

Re: [Sip-implementors] History-Info

2011-12-27 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 12/22/11 1:14 AM, Johnson, Michael A wrote: I am seeking clarification on the History-Info RFC 4424 In a transit scenario, an incoming call that is immediately redirected to another party, I am getting rejected based on the History-Info field. This is only where there is no A-party

Re: [Sip-implementors] Route-Record

2011-12-21 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 12/21/11 3:09 AM, Saul Ibarra Corretge wrote: Hi, On Dec 21, 2011, at 8:00 AM, William Scott wrote: On 21 December 2011 17:10, Alex Balashovabalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Is your concern about the two RR headers, or the double lr parameter? The double lr parameter. When my ATA

Re: [Sip-implementors] How to transfer an existing subscription from one RLS server to another

2011-12-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 12/8/11 8:16 AM, Joegen Baclor wrote: On 12/08/2011 06:47 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Joegen Baclor [jbac...@ezuce.com] I am implementing an RLS service that shares load via DNS/SRV records. Let us say I have 2 RLS servers sharing the load equally for 200 subscribers. In an

Re: [Sip-implementors] Duplication of SIP Header

2011-12-06 Thread Paul Kyzivat
The examples below look like some sort of conformance test, rather than cases that would actually be encountered in practice. If so, I suppose either you are implementing the tester and looking for what response to expect, or else you have failed a conformance test and are looking for an

Re: [Sip-implementors] SDP in 200 to UPDATE without SDP

2011-12-06 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 12/6/11 7:00 PM, Stefan Sayer wrote: Hello, I am wondering what to do with an SDP in a 200 to an UPDATE without SDP in an established dialog, for example as a response to a session refresh triggered by SST. There is two cases: - the SDP has not changed (to what is established) -

Re: [Sip-implementors] Duplication of SIP Header

2011-12-06 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 12/7/11 12:06 AM, Brez Borland wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Paul Kyzivat pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu mailto:pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu wrote: The examples below look like some sort of conformance test, rather than cases that would actually be encountered in practice. If so, I

Re: [Sip-implementors] Retransmitted NOTIFY overlaps with the next one - what is the correct behavior?

2011-11-23 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/23/11 9:21 PM, Robert Szokovacs wrote: Hi, I have the following setup: a B2BUA based on sipstack A and a mediaserver, based on sipstack B. Themediaserver sends a REFER to the B2BUA which starts to send NOTIFYs according to the progress of the REFERred call: for example: 100, 183,.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Offer-Answer Query - Related to Slow start INVITE

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/22/11 1:27 AM, Kumar, Puneet (Puneet) wrote: Hi All, I am working on a implementation issue where SIP message flow is: UAC UAS -INVITE w/o SDP ---200 OK w/SDP Here UAC sends a slow start INVITE to UAS.

Re: [Sip-implementors] 200 after [3456]XX in a Proxy client transaction: what to do?

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/22/11 2:04 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: Hi, imagine a Proxy which first receives a 480 response and forwards it upstream to the UAC (and receives the ACK) but later, for some annoying reason, the Proxy receives a 200 for the same client transaction. Should the client discard it? or

Re: [Sip-implementors] Can REFER take place during reINVITE?

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/22/11 11:40 AM, Adam Frankel (afrankel) wrote: Hi All, I am seeing a scenario for an established call in which an outbound reINVITE is being done, the far end is sending a TRYING and then a REFER immediately. We are rejecting this REFER with a 400 Bad Request because the INVITE

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: quoted-string and quoted-pair

2011-11-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/15/11 11:24 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Brett Tate [br...@broadsoft.com] Concerning the quoted-string and quoted-pair BNF, it allows useless escaping of characters within the quoted string. For instance, value can uselessly be escaped as \v\a\l\u\e. Are they equivalent?

Re: [Sip-implementors] Multiple Expire parameter in Contact header

2011-11-10 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Kutay, Yes, you need to handle this. Each contact can have its own expiration time setting, which is what you see here. The way to treat this is to consider the value in the Expires header (if any) as a default value for every Contact, which is then overridden by an expires header field

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 3261: User-Agent and Server within response

2011-11-09 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/9/11 9:47 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Sairam POKKUNURI [sair...@ipinfusion.com] we dont care what type of phones or their properties are if they can send and recieve properly OTOH, when you discover that some element is *not* sending properly, it is very useful if you can

Re: [Sip-implementors] RFC 6337 and 3GPP TS 24.610: resuming from hold

2011-11-03 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/3/11 1:10 PM, Brett Tate wrote: Howdy, RFC 6337 and 3GPP TS 24.610 (http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/24610.htm) appear to be in conflict concerning resuming from hold. However, it may just be a poor interpretation of 3GPP TS 24.610 when a sendonly offer (from X) is answered

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reg: Replace Header in REFER Message

2011-11-03 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/3/11 3:10 PM, prakash k wrote: Hi All, In Replaces: whether the order is mandatory, ( what is meant is) followe by callid information ,to-tag should come first then only from-tag as per RFC 3891 ABNF Replaces= Replaces HCOLON callid *(SEMI replaces-param)

Re: [Sip-implementors] Binary bodies in SIP?

2011-11-02 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I think I recall some work from long ago that banned use of Content-Transfer-Encoding. (But I'm not sure I remember it right.) It might have been Cullen who did it. Does that ring any bells? Thanks, Paul On 11/1/11 11:00 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Olle E.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Binary bodies in SIP?

2011-11-02 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/1/11 11:23 AM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: And someone sends binary encoded payloads for DTMF indications in SIP NOTIFY requests - I don't remember who it is, but I remember it because it's so crazy (the MIME body's content is literally an RFC 2833 RTP DTMF event packet, minus the IP and

Re: [Sip-implementors] Register to a domain without username in the AOR

2011-10-31 Thread Paul Kyzivat
+1 On 10/31/11 10:46 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Olle E. Johansson [o...@edvina.net] RFC 3261 is not totally clear in the topic of AORs you can register to. It seems to indicate any URI, but mentions usernames in most examples. In practice, what you can register to is what the

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query of receiving re-INVITE without offer

2011-10-14 Thread Paul Kyzivat
See section 5 of RFC 6337. It covers exactly this point. If you don't do something like what is described there you run a risk of getting into a situation where you can't get out of hold state. Thanks, Paul On 10/14/11 1:28 AM, deepak bansal wrote: Hi Tarun, Please help on

Re: [Sip-implementors] Proxy-Require values

2011-09-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/19/11 11:24 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/9/19 Worley, Dale R (Dale)dwor...@avaya.com: Well, the behavior if they are used in Proxy-Require is specified, but you should check the RFC to see whether it is supposed to be used. E.g., the text in sip-parameters talks about using

Re: [Sip-implementors] Inter Vendor Offer/Answer a=inactive

2011-09-16 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I support what Dale says. For more info, see section 5.3 of RFC 6337. Thanks, Paul On 9/15/11 4:59 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Sproul, Barry K [barry.spr...@verizonwireless.com] I have an issue between 2 vendor platforms that causes permanent audio on hold. Initial

Re: [Sip-implementors] Question about basic transfer (unattended) in RFC 5589

2011-09-12 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/12/11 12:03 PM, Francis Joanis wrote: Hi, Apologies if this has been answered before... I have a question about when the BYE between the Transferor and the Transferee is sent in the case of an unattended transfer. RFC 5589 says in Section 6 that [the transferor] could emit a BYE to

Re: [Sip-implementors] Regarding Display Name when Privacy:id

2011-09-09 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/9/11 1:27 AM, prakash k wrote: Hi All, I have the following scenario: Incoming invite has Privacy:id along From header carrying Display Name Where as the outgoing INVITE has From Header set sip:Anonymous@Anonymous.invalid whereas the display-name goes as it is. Is there any draft

Re: [Sip-implementors] Record Route header processing for unreliable 18x response at UAC end

2011-09-09 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/9/11 2:56 AM, Abhishek Sahu wrote: Hello All I've one query regarding behavior of Record-Route. If Record-Route is present in SIP unreliable 18x response and UPDATE needs to be sent prior to receiving of 2xx response. So should the Route header for the UPDATE request be updated

Re: [Sip-implementors] Cannot register with server

2011-09-09 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/9/11 11:11 AM, Wyne Wolf wrote: Never mind guys. The server is locking the account to the IP address the account was first used. I guess it was for security reasons. Thanks again. Great! This server really doesn't get how SIP is supposed to work, and what the point of registration is. If

Re: [Sip-implementors] PRACK Message

2011-09-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/5/11 12:23 AM, Tarun2 Gupta wrote: Hi Salil As per offer answer model, SDP in PRACK can be an offer as well as an answer. Refer RFC 3262 and http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipping-sip-offeranswer-18 for further details: The latter is now RFC 6337 (finally!) Thanks,

Re: [Sip-implementors] Call Transfer using 3pcc

2011-09-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/6/11 5:02 PM, sathish kumar chevuru wrote: Hi, In case of Call Transfer using 3pcc and REFER , If the Callee sends out REFER without sending INVITE HOLD, What should be the behaviour of 3pcc. Does 3pcc sends out INVITE HOLD's to Caller and Callee , before initiating the call

Re: [Sip-implementors] Response code sent by proxy to caller when UAS not registered

2011-08-11 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 8/11/11 12:53 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/8/11 Kevin P. Flemingkpflem...@digium.com: You are talking about two different things; it's completely possible for a callee's end system to be registered, but for that person to be 'not logged in' (and thus unavailable to receive calls).

Re: [Sip-implementors] Response code sent by proxy to caller when UAS not registered

2011-08-11 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 8/11/11 3:00 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/8/11 Paul Kyzivatpkyzi...@alum.mit.edu: That contrasts with a case where the example.com server receives a request for sip:al...@example.com and discovers that al...@example.com is not in the location server, so that registrations for it could

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP-URI header ABNF

2011-08-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 8/4/11 5:02 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: Good point. I confirm that = after hvalue is mandatory and as per RFC 3261 BNF, the following SIP URI is valid: sip:qwe.com?qwe=qweasd= while this one is not valid: sip:qwe.com?qwe=qweasd I've confirmed it using my SIP parser which is

Re: [Sip-implementors] BYE before call answer

2011-08-03 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 7/27/11 8:29 AM, Leo Leo wrote: Interesting, never thought about it. So, if I send a re-INVITE for which I have no final reply yet and then I send a BYE, should the UAS reply 200 for the BYE and terminate the remaining re-INVITE transasction without sending a final response? Or should the

Re: [Sip-implementors] BYE before call answer

2011-08-03 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 8/3/11 1:48 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/8/3 Paul Kyzivatpkyzi...@alum.mit.edu: They BYE does *not* terminate all transactions! Every transaction must follow its own state machine, independent of any other transaction. You MUST attempt to send some final response to any outstanding

Re: [Sip-implementors] BYE before call answer

2011-08-03 Thread Paul Kyzivat
+1 to what Bob says. In addition, I suggest you read: * RFC 5057 Multiple Dialog Usages in the Session Initiation Protocol * RFC 5407 Example Call Flows of Race Conditions in the Session Initiation Protocol Thanks, Paul On 8/3/11 3:37 PM, Bob Penfield wrote: It may

Re: [Sip-implementors] Broadsoft extensions - event packages talk and hold

2011-07-16 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 7/14/11 10:13 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: 14 jul 2011 kl. 16.11 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo: 2011/7/14 Olle E. Johanssono...@edvina.net: I assume it's just a private/custom vendor specification working on its own devices (and just that). No, many vendors use it. And if it was private,

Re: [Sip-implementors] [Sip] Codec Negotiation and renegotiataion

2011-07-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
. Thanks, Paul Regards Atul --- On *Wed, 13/7/11, Paul Kyzivat /pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu/* wrote: From: Paul Kyzivat pkyzi...@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: [Sip] Codec Negotiation and renegotiataion To: s...@ietf.org Date: Wednesday, 13 July, 2011, 10:31 PM

Re: [Sip-implementors] Subsequent NOTIFY's within a dialog

2011-07-11 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 7/11/11 6:42 AM, Brett Tate wrote: Is it OK to send a subsequent NOTIFY in a SUBSCRIBE initiated dialog, before receiving a successful response for the earlier NOTIFY request? Yes; unless specifically restricted by the event package, draft-ietf-sipcore-event-rate-control, or similar RFC.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Suggesting what streams to use on call transfer

2011-07-07 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Inline On 7/7/11 11:10 AM, Saúl Ibarra Corretgé wrote: Hi, On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: AFAIK there is nothing written specifically about this subject. Some thoughts: - when in doubt, the obvious thing to do is to offer whatever you would have if you received

[Sip-implementors] test

2011-07-05 Thread Paul Kyzivat
please ignore ___ Sip-implementors mailing list Sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/sip-implementors

Re: [Sip-implementors] Re-Invite codec renegotiation.

2011-07-01 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 7/1/2011 5:12 PM, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: On 07/01/2011 02:24 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Johnson, Michael A [michael.a.john...@team.telstra.com] The PBX (Mitel) that sends the re-invite without SDP, that then accepts the offered G.729 codec from the ISP, despite not being

Re: [Sip-implementors] 18x response after OA complete?

2011-06-29 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Please read http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sipping-sip-offeranswer-18.txt, and try to understand it before asking more questions like this. I gave you this reference earlier. I'm pretty certain that all the questions you have asked are dealt with there. Thanks, Paul On

Re: [Sip-implementors] Forwarding SIP calls between SIP carriers using ENUM

2011-06-29 Thread Paul Kyzivat
You will have to give more details before any sort of answer is possible. Some things to specify: - Does each account have a distinct phone number? - what sort of peering is there between the carriers? - how (if at all) is enum used by each carrier? - what sort of enum are you talking about?

Re: [Sip-implementors] no supported header in re-invite or different value

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:13 PM To: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] no supported header in re-invite or different value Ravi, - there is *no* semantic difference between a Supported header that *doesn't* contain timer

Re: [Sip-implementors] Answer in 200OK following answer in 18X rel

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Kyzivat
notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:44 AM To: sip-implementors

Re: [Sip-implementors] 18x response after OA complete?

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 6/28/2011 6:46 PM, Nauman Sulaiman wrote: Hi, After OA is complete is it possible for UAS to send more 18x responses (with no offer or answer of course). YES. UAC UAS |INVITE--| | | |1xx (o)-| -

Re: [Sip-implementors] Answer in 200OK following answer in 18X rel

2011-06-27 Thread Paul Kyzivat
See http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sipping-sip-offeranswer-18.txt Bottom line is: If you returned answer in a reliable provisional response, you are permitted to include a copy of that answer in the 200, but you are encouraged to *not* do so. The UAC must be prepared for it to be there.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Regarding 'Supported' and 'Require'

2011-06-24 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Supported and Require are not formally linked. For some options you can infer a logical connection. When in doubt, be explicit. Also note that Require:xyz means I require you to *support* xyz. It does not mean I require you to *use* xyz or I intend to use xyz. Thanks, Paul On

Re: [Sip-implementors] Reinvite Offer Answer - can previous negotiated codec change?

2011-06-24 Thread Paul Kyzivat
inline On 6/24/2011 7:26 PM, Nauman Sulaiman wrote: Hi, Just wondering what is preferred here? UA1 offers PCMU, PCMA, G729 (PCMU most preferred) to UA2 UA2 answers with PCMU This completes OA and PCMU is negotiated codec Then UA2 is put on hold and then unheld you don't say what was

Re: [Sip-implementors] no supported header in re-invite or different value

2011-06-22 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Ravi, - there is *no* semantic difference between a Supported header that *doesn't* contain timer and the total absence of a Supported header. - session-timer negotiation is repeated in every reinvite and update. If it is not renegotiated to be on, then it is off. So in both your

Re: [Sip-implementors] Is PRACK and UPDATE mandatory in some use cases

2011-06-22 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 6/22/2011 12:40 PM, Nauman Sulaiman wrote: Hi Some UAs do not support PRACK or UPDATE and still work fine with various Proxies, PBX, Softswitches etc. Are there any scenarios or well known Proxies,Softswitches that require mandatory PRACK and UPDATE support for a UA to be

Re: [Sip-implementors] Wrong SIP scheme and/or URI transport param

2011-06-09 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 6/9/2011 4:08 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/6/9 Paul Kyzivatpkyzi...@cisco.com: On 6/8/2011 3:50 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: Some existing proxies reply some custom 4XX codes for these kind of errors. I would like some specific and standarized 4XX response code, something like:

Re: [Sip-implementors] Wrong SIP scheme and/or URI transport param

2011-06-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
These are indeed fuzzy cases. IMO, I would treat problems with a URI in a topmost Route header the same as a problem with the R-URI when there is no Route header. (So I think 416 is appropriate for case (d).) The others don't seem to fit 416 or anything else very well. So when in doubt, go with

Re: [Sip-implementors] Wrong SIP scheme and/or URI transport param

2011-06-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 6/8/2011 3:50 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: Some existing proxies reply some custom 4XX codes for these kind of errors. I would like some specific and standarized 4XX response code, something like: 467 Unsupported Transport Go for it! Submit a draft. (Send it to the dispatch list.)

Re: [Sip-implementors] Broadworks Reinvite issue

2011-04-28 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 4/28/2011 3:01 AM, Nauman Sulaiman wrote: Hi, Scenario is as follows UAC makes call to UAS over Broadworks B2BUA and then UAC goes on hold. Broadworks periodically issues Session Audit with SDP version number unchanged, this is for UAC and UAS which do not support session timers or

Re: [Sip-implementors] Call Transfer Using REFER

2011-04-26 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 4/26/2011 1:09 PM, isshed wrote: Thanks Dale for your response. so the other doubt is what will happed to this dialog when the call gets transferred. does it not get destroyed with the BYE? if so what about the rest of the notify? You should read 5057 on dialog usages - you need to

Re: [Sip-implementors] No Ringback in 183 SDP

2011-04-12 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 4/12/2011 12:21 PM, Randell Jesup wrote: 3 apr 2011 kl. 13.23 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo: 2011/3/31 Olle E. Johanssono...@edvina.net: If you are sending only ringback, I would recommend sending 180 with SDP instead of 183. If you're sending 183, I can't move my state machine to ringing

Re: [Sip-implementors] 482 loop detected.

2011-03-31 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Is this a trick question? A *client* never sends responses. The thing that sends (any) response is an server. I guess the question is whether there is any case where a UA can send a 482? Thanks, Paul On 3/30/2011 10:57 AM, Brett Tate wrote: Is there any scenario or use case

Re: [Sip-implementors] Error after receiving 200OK

2011-03-30 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 3/30/2011 3:33 AM, Jyoti Singhal wrote: Hi All, In case if we have received 200 OK to an INVITE request, now due to same failure at proxy, proxy wants to end the call --- What should be the scenario? Your case below isn't clear. I presume there is a proxy in the middle that isn't

Re: [Sip-implementors] Different SDP Session Version in 183 200 OK

2011-03-12 Thread Paul Kyzivat
This thread has gone on for a long time. There is some good/accurate info and some very wrong info here. This is a complex topic that is widely misunderstood. I *strongly* encourage you to read the offer-answer draft referenced earlier. It is a compilation of information from multiple RFCs and

Re: [Sip-implementors] ascii encoding

2011-03-02 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 3/1/2011 6:03 AM, Nikos Leontsinis wrote: I am not sure if implementors are obliged to honour this request. Implementors are obliged to honor whats written in specs if they want to claim compliance to the spec, and to interoperate with other compliant implementations. If you don't care

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query on Handling of null ipv6 address in SDP c= line.

2011-02-15 Thread Paul Kyzivat
...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:26 PM To: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] Query on Handling of null ipv6 address in SDP c= line. Adding to what brett said... Why is it necessary to have a separate null address

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query on Handling of null ipv6 address in SDP c= line.

2011-02-10 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Adding to what brett said... Why is it necessary to have a separate null address for IPv6? Null is null. Won't an IPv4 null address do? Even if your node doesn't support IPv4, I would think it could support a *null* IPv4. Thanks, Paul On 2/7/2011 7:09 AM, Brett Tate wrote:

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query Regarding Media port change in 200 OK

2011-02-10 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I agree with Dale and Brett, sort of. Brett is right that the UAC is correct in ignoring the change in the 200. Dale is right that the UAS is wrong in sending different SDP in the 180 and 200. See http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sipping-sip-offeranswer-13.txt Thanks, Paul

Re: [Sip-implementors] Telephony DTMF adaptation

2011-02-01 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 1/31/2011 6:06 PM, Mikko Lehto wrote: I fail to understand why DTMF delivery methods in signaling path are not as stabilized as RFC 2833/4733 is. There are many use cases where nice features can be enabled with events while dedicated event detector is not feasible in media path.

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query of receiving re-INVITE without offer

2011-01-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 1/19/2011 4:13 AM, Sunil wrote: Hi All, Please clarify how to handle the below requirement of rfc 3261in case of 3 scenarios: The UAS MUST ensure that the session description overlaps with its previous session description in media formats, transports, or other parameters that require

Re: [Sip-implementors] draft sipping-v6-transition and SDP offer/answer

2011-01-13 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Also, the following from the description of 488: A message body containing a description of media capabilities MAY be present in the response, which is formatted according to the Accept header field in the INVITE (or application/sdp if not present), the same as a message body in a

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query on Subscription dialog for reg event upon DeRegistration

2011-01-13 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Sunil, Its not clear to me if you have a question for sip-implementors, or a question for IMS-implementors. The reg event package provides a way to monitor the status of *all* the registrations for a particular AoR. The fact that a UA has unregistered itself (or been unregistered) does not

Re: [Sip-implementors] draft sipping-v6-transition and SDP offer/answer

2011-01-13 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 1/13/2011 10:38 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/1/13 Olle E. Johanssono...@edvina.net: - Does your UA add an SDP to a 488 error message? Most probably no UA in the world adds SDP to a 488 response. I don't know, but I suspect you are right, or nearly so. And for sure, no UA in the

Re: [Sip-implementors] Multiple early media sessions within a samedialog

2011-01-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
, Paul On 1/8/2011 9:08 AM, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: On 01/07/2011 09:47 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: On 1/7/2011 9:21 PM, SIP Satan wrote: Cant we play multiple announcements by giving different SDP's in multiple 1xx responses provided each 1xx carries a different To-tag. In a way simulating forking

Re: [Sip-implementors] Multiple early media sessions within a samedialog

2011-01-07 Thread Paul Kyzivat
forking. That of course assumes that the UAC is capable of rendering media from different early dialogs. Thanks, Paul Regards -Satan On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Paul Kyzivat pkyzi...@cisco.com mailto:pkyzi...@cisco.com wrote: inline On 1/7/2011 12:10 AM

Re: [Sip-implementors] In-dialog (?) request ignoring route set

2011-01-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Its not really a responsibility of the recipient to check this, at least in straightforward cases. How would it know that the proxy has been bypassed? If the request arrives, and has the correct form, then I would expect the UAS to process the request. To detect the problem it would have to

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP Call/Hold Scenario

2011-01-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Look at the offeranswer draft for a discussion of this. While your option 1 will work in some cases, it won't always work. Specifically, if both sides put the call on hold, then there will be no way to get off hold. The solution is to always offer the directionality your end wants, without

Re: [Sip-implementors] What is the use of port number in SIP-URI in FROM header?

2011-01-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
IMO, if a UA is given a URI to call, it generally has no business messing with it in any way. Removing the port is altering the URI, and should only be done by something in the domain of the URI that is familiar with the policies for construction of URIs within that domain. If the UA is

Re: [Sip-implementors] CENTREX Solution with SIP

2010-11-29 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/29/2010 11:06 AM, Alex Balashov wrote: On 11/29/2010 10:44 AM, Ali Kemal MAYUK wrote: I am investigating about how Centrex work with SIP. If an enterprise customer has a 2 different locations, how they call each other with short numbers(4 digit) ? Which SIP headers are used for it? Is

Re: [Sip-implementors] dynamic payload negotiation

2010-11-29 Thread Paul Kyzivat
We rarely revise RFCs solely to clarify the wording. Sometimes we issue clarifying RFCs instead. Or the clarification is simply captured as an errata and then it will be incorporated if/when the RFC is revised. Thanks, Paul On 11/29/2010 11:20 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote:

Re: [Sip-implementors] ACK cannot stop the flood of 200 OK from sipgate.com

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
It would seem that your ACK isn't being recognized as matching the INVITE. Without details can't say if the fault is with the UAC or UAS. What's needed to sort it out is the INVITE, 200, and ACK messages. Thanks, Paul On 11/19/2010 4:16 PM, Wyne Wolf wrote: Hi all, I am new

Re: [Sip-implementors] Query regarding SDP answer in reliable 18x with inactive stream only

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I agree with Dale, with an added comment On 11/19/2010 5:04 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Tarun2 Gupta [tarun2.gu...@aricent.com]

Re: [Sip-implementors] regarding gruu

2010-11-11 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 11/11/2010 2:19 PM, meena singla wrote: Hello, As P-CSCF does not maintain any data regarding GRUU during registration. When P-CSCF receives an INVITE request and its Con tact header contains only temp-gruu. How the P-CSCF will process that request?? How P-CSCF will relate that

Re: [Sip-implementors] regarding gruu

2010-11-10 Thread Paul Kyzivat
The URI you use in the Contact for requests and responses can be anything that works for you. It need not have any relationship to the contact you registered. However, if you receive a request that was addressed to your AOR and routed to you via your registered contact, then the contact you

Re: [Sip-implementors] regarding gruu

2010-11-10 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I don't know one offhand, but I'm quite certain there are some that do. Hopefully they will speak up. Paul On 11/11/2010 1:46 PM, SIP Satan wrote: Paul, Is there any server which supports gruu , along with its reg-event package extension ? Regards -Satan On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at

Re: [Sip-implementors] Identifying Session Refresh UPDATE

2010-11-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
An UPDATE is an UPDATE. The effect is strictly a function of its content. And as already mentioned, every UPDATE either refreshes the session timer, or disables it, regardless of what else it does. I suppose you might consider that an UPDATE that does nothing else must have been intended only

Re: [Sip-implementors] Restriction on the number of a certain header in a message?

2010-11-08 Thread Paul Kyzivat
There are a number of headers that may only appear once, including From, To, CSeq. IIRC this is addressed in the text relevant to each one. Thanks, Paul On 11/9/2010 1:27 PM, SungWoo Lee wrote: Dear, Does 3261 specify the number of a certain header in a SIP message? We know

Re: [Sip-implementors] Question About Hold

2010-11-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
One more thing... If you are encountering problems like this, it suggests that you are building a new sip stack from scratch. If so, you should realize that this is not a small task, and it will likely take you a lot of time and effort to get it right. You should seriously consider reusing

Re: [Sip-implementors] Question About Hold

2010-11-04 Thread Paul Kyzivat
and a lot of time debugging your result. Good luck, Paul Nahum -Original Message- From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:11 PM To: sip

Re: [Sip-implementors] SDP Offer ANswer

2010-11-03 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I *think* you have gotten a valid response from other respondents, but I'm not certain about the question. You say the terminating party supports 100rel, but does the originating party indicate support for 100rel? That is a necessity to use reliable provisionals. The thing you want to read is

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP Response code for codec mismatch

2010-10-28 Thread Paul Kyzivat
at end On 10/28/2010 4:23 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of kaiduan xie [kaidu...@yahoo.ca] Consider the following case, A sends an

Re: [Sip-implementors] basic clarification regarding RFC3680

2010-10-23 Thread Paul Kyzivat
I suspect as time goes on people are losing the concept of multiple devices sharing the same AOR. Thanks, Paul On 10/23/2010 7:38 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2010/10/22 Hazzyhazzy...@yahoo.co.in: The RFC 3680 states that a single NOTIFY can have details of multiple

Re: [Sip-implementors] basic clarification regarding RFC3680

2010-10-22 Thread Paul Kyzivat
The subscription, to an AOR, should give info about registrations for that AOR. In principle it can give information about other AORs too. The only place I know of that uses that is 3gpp/ims. In IMS, a subscription to the reg event package for an AOR gives you status on that AOR and all

Re: [Sip-implementors] sdp missing m line

2010-10-01 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Sorry about that. I remembered the wrong number. Thanks, Paul On 10/1/2010 6:02 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu [sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Paul

Re: [Sip-implementors] Call HOLD from both sides

2010-09-22 Thread Paul Kyzivat
goutam, This situation is discussed in section 5.3 of: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sipping-sip-offeranswer-13.txt More inline On 9/22/2010 5:45 AM, goutam kumar wrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement a VOIP call between two endpoints. I'm in a doubt. Say Alice and Bob are in a call.

Re: [Sip-implementors] why Do we need a 3 way handshake for INVITE at all?

2010-09-22 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Inline On 9/22/2010 7:18 AM, abhishek chattopadhyay wrote: Hi Implementors, In 3261 the re-transmission of INVITE is stopped by 1xx responses. So to stop the re-trnasmission of 200 OK, ACK is sent. (Albait it would be worth considering that ACK is used for a lot of other purposes.)

Re: [Sip-implementors] sdp missing m line

2010-09-17 Thread Paul Kyzivat
On 9/17/2010 7:45 AM, anand madhab wrote: Hi, If m line is missing in invite request and 180, 200 response then what will be senario ? I dont understand the case, I mean i want to make a call with initially putting a person in hold ? please explain does caller need to reject the call Your

Re: [Sip-implementors] [Sipping] To Develop SIP Server

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Lakshmi, This is an inappropriate list for this question. I suggest you take it to sip-implementors. Thanks, Paul Vijayalakshmi wrote: Hi, Iam trying to develop a SIP server in VxWorks. Please assist me with how to implement SIP in my Server. Where do I get these

Re: [Sip-implementors] NOTIFY with CSeq incremented in more than one

2010-09-10 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Iñaki, IMO you should not use CSeq this way, for a variety of reasons: - its a layer violation. The cseq values are pertinent at the dialog layer. The content of the NOTIFYs is at the application layer. - if perchance the dialog is being used for something else (e.g. an INVITE) as well

Re: [Sip-implementors] SIP body with very long lines: a problem?

2010-09-02 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Another possibility is that dropping messages with long lines is an explicit policy of the ALG, rather than just being a crappy implementation. If so, then the responsibility lies with whoever set the policy. Thanks, Paul Paul Kyzivat wrote: Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: Hi

Re: [Sip-implementors] Early dialog forking

2010-09-02 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Eduardo Martins wrote: Hello, trying to clarify thoughts with early dialog forking, generally is there such concept? For instance when receiving two 180s with different tags, should: a) 2 early dialogs be constructed (why? is there any need to a REQUEST to be sent before receiving 2xx

Re: [Sip-implementors] UA sending REGISTE Reqeust with Route header

2010-09-02 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Siddhardha Garige wrote: Hello all, I have a specific requirement to route REGISTER requests through a set a predefined proxies to REGISTRAR. Can we configure UAs with this information and generate a REGISTER request with Proxy1 and Proxy2 in route headers. RFC 3068 SIP extension

Re: [Sip-implementors] Infinite Number of RTP payload in mline

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Kyzivat
Nitin Kapoor wrote: Thanks for your reply. I checked the RFC and noticed that it does not limit the codec #s in mline, but nor does it comment on infinite number of codecs support being mandatory. So could you please let me know whether it is mandatory to support them or not. Because

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