[RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..

What would the tasks have been if LSF had been born on the East Coast? LSF was formed as a local California group to promote sailplane flying back in 1969 and the achievement tasks were developed to suit local conditions that allowed long thermal flights, long slope flights, and lots of wide

[RCSE] WHERE"S LEVEL SIX?

Jim,   You make a good point.  Personally, 1977 was a very good year for me. I have a very interesting level 4.99 voucher that has on it winning the World Championships in South Africa and winning the Nationals in California overall in the same year for the contest side. I had completed ever

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo

Of course that was the point of the movie, it was all about the journey... just like the current LSF program. At 04:39 PM 9/13/2006, Tom Broeski wrote: I watched a neat movie on the World's fastest Indian (Burt Munro a NZ motorcyclist who had to travel to Bonneville to have a place to set the

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion ...was just that.

The ICON? ;-) At 04:55 PM 9/13/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well, life ain' t Perfect, but there is one plane out there now that's pretty close :-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RC

Re: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware...

LMAO Bill your too much. At 10:04 PM 9/13/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 09/13/2006 8:47:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's true.  Even Butch beat gordy.  At least that is what the T-shirt said. Careful. I've broken the code and indications are t

Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

Maybe Don Harban should just figure out how to form a club and get as many as possible to join. Schools, Boy Scouts, 4-H, etc. Maybe we all missed the point and we should be spending more time preachin' instead of practicing soaring. Steven Meyer LSF IV At 08:44 PM 9/8/2006, dharban wrote

RE: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam

God Bless you, Melissa, and the Derstine family and friends. I wish John and all his friends and family good luck and aloha. Mahalo and best regards, Al Battad - AMA #506981 cArPe dIeM!!! -Original Message- From: mderstine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13,

Re: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware...

In a message dated 09/13/2006 8:47:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's true.  Even Butch beat gordy.  At least that is what the T-shirt said. Careful. I've broken the code and indications are that this might be a dangerous cult responsible for promulgating evil conspira

Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

I am sorry but in the ESL the point off max can be as little 40 points for an entire contest. I'll assume the same occurs at other contest where top notch pilots frequent. It doesn't happen everywhere, but it does happen more than you think. 5.5 feet won't put you in the top 3... probably not in

Re: [RCSE] Re: JD

It really sounds like witness protection where nobody knows, not even family, where you are at. I will let you know if I see him next time I'm in Tahiti. We too really miss him. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mderstine Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, Septe

Re: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware's top pilo...

That's true. Even Butch beat gordy. At least that is what the T-shirt said. Sheldon-YNT uDesign wrote: But would it REALLY be meaningful??? -Original Message- From: Michael Lachowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:

RE: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware's top pilo...

But would it REALLY be meaningful??? -Original Message- From: Michael Lachowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today

Re: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware's top pilo...

Maybe we can have LSF Gordy Levels where you accumulate points based on the number of times you beat Gordy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/2006 9:54:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, GordySoar writes: Okay, It was gonna come out sooner or later, but they bribed me wit

RE: [RCSE] non soaring content

Cool, nice 1/4 scale ship.  I am very surpised the guy let his friend fly the plane while he sat in it.  That's courage!   Chris Original Message Subject: [RCSE] non soaring contentFrom: Bill Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wed, September 13, 2006 5:24 pmTo: Soaring Yahoo OK, it ai

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo

"I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present n

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Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

I though the idea of XC was to travel. If you aren't going cross country you aren't doing cross country. I figured if you can't take a golf cart, truck or some vehicle, you could walk it. (no it would not be easy). I guess instead of XC you could call it an "option" to an XC task. Like slope

RE: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam

Wow, still no word about John's whereabouts.  Very wierd thing to say the least.  I feel for you and your family Melissa. Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foamFrom: mderstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wed, September 13, 2006 7:05 amTo: soaring@airage.

[RCSE] Re: Clarification- "ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware's top pilo...

In a message dated 9/11/2006 9:54:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, GordySoar writes: Okay, It was gonna come out sooner or later, but they bribed me with BBQ Chicken and Slaw to take a dive, in order to boost club morale!   And I had to fly blindfolded :-) Gordy :-) This man ha

[RCSE] Re: HLG contest in Marlton NJ

HLG pilots and timers: Be sure and wear long pants and bring mosquito repellent for this weekend's contest. The August rain seeded a bumper crop of mosquitos. They've never really been an issue before and I'm not sure what's going on, but they were there in-force last weekend so come prepare

[RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

Jeff Steifel Wrote: > > 3 10 min flights in 1 hour is > ridiculous... That isn't hard. In a good air cycle it's easy. > My son was bored a couple of weeks ago... He had 3 30 or longer minute > > flights .. he thought soaring was easy. Then he went to 2 contests and > > did very poorly at one

[RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

\"I DON'T GET THE 3 FLIGHTS IN 1 HOUR. THE LSF PROHIBITS THE TD PARTS FROM OCCURRING IN THE SAME DAY FOR A SIMILAR REASON, THE AIR CAN BE GREAT AND A 1 HOUR TIME FRAME SIMPLY MEANS YOU CAN BE FLYING IN GREAT AIR. THAT'S NOT HARD!!!. IF THE AIR IS GOOD IT IS EASY. ALSO LANDING ON AN L4 TAPE WITHOUT

[RCSE] Re: Multiplex RX Synth PC cable

No idea, I would like to know it as well. I bought the wrong (?) module #85048 According to the manual it can be connected to the pc. Is this just RS232? Baud rate etc? The output leads are marked with a block, plus and minus sign. Ok minus should be ground. What is then the tx and rx line?

[RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

Tom Broeski Wrote: > Jim, > I would think there would be some way to gather enough information to > set up > a fair point system and not let it bog down what seems to be a > reasonable > and needed revision. > Take a look at results posted for SC2 contests. A lot of it includes task times, l

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

From: Jeff Steifel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ryan, is it your intention to have me draft the program? No, I just thought you might throw out a few ideas of tasks that you think could be worthy. Other folks have done the same (like Don Stackhouse's suggestion of a dawn till dusk thermal fli

[RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

Tom Broeski Wrote: > > As you say, laws have changed making it difficult for many to do the > cross > country Legally. Can't have LSF promoting illegal activity. However, > I > think the requirement should include that you must also "travel" the > closed > course. That means in a vehicle o

[RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion

Not to mention that it's entirely likely that some legs might be flown in a straight line at speeds in excess of 20-25 mph. When I was young I was quick, but I never broke a one minute quarter mile+. Even on a cool day a person might break a sweat chasing down a sailplane in this task :) -- d

[RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam

Just doing my periodical search on this site for John Derstine. There has been no new news since last February and we're not expecting much these days, it's almost been a year since he disappeared. As upset, angry or hurt as we may be I appreciate everyone keeping a respectful mindset and for an

RE: [RCSE] LSF Discussion ...was just that.

Gordy’s babbling again; the poor lost soul must be stuck in some godforsaken flea-bag motel room munching on stale pizza and washing it down with warm beer. The life of a traveling salesman ain’t all glamour, hey Gordy. J   Regards, Bob Johnson   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

[RCSE] non soaring content

OK, it ain't a sailplane. It's still cute: Cheers, Bill --- Out beyond ideas of wrong doing and right doing there is a field. I'll meet you there. Rumi Bill Joh

Fwd: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts

Sorry, I only sent this to Tony and it should have gone to all.-- Forwarded message --From: Jack Iafret < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sep 13, 2006 8:07 PMSubject: Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughtsTo: tony estep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>OK, my one comment. Read my post of the History o

[RCSE] LSF Discussion

Wow, no end in sight here. The SSA (Soaring Society of America) Achievement Program for full size soaring has stood the test of time (60+ years I believe). Why not the LSF Program?  For those Level II’s or III’s needing contest points one week at the Nats will give you all the points you ne

Re: [RCSE] For Sale - Icon, servos, etc.

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Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts

I may be wrong (probably am), but perhaps some of the unease in the world could be mitigated by one little change in the LSF rules, without changing any tasks at all. The rules say: "requirements for the subsequent Levels may be achieved any time after the previous Level form has been postmark

[RCSE] LSF Discussion

I have been following this discussion with interest and some good ideas have been advanced, however I have seen no discussion of the two most important items. Who will do the work and how will it be financed. I have been a member of LSF since 1972 and joined the old East Coast Soaring Socie

Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts

Why on earth would anyone be satisfied to be an LSF Sportsman Level V when you could be a 'real' LSF Level V with just a little more dedication and perseverance? I found this segment of the hobby about eight years ago. I joined my local club and I learned that they enjoyed distant contests and

[RCSE] LSF Discussion ...was just that.

The thread ran its course to its logical enddisclaimers by posters that they aren't evil, hadn't said anything negative and for the most part are enthusiastic promoter/supporters of all things good and fun.   As expected the originator of the thread did not (once a bevy of enlightened ide

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo

"I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present

[RCSE] Troy Lawicki

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Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

Jeff, You aren't the only one who gets this mixed up. The easiest way is to remove the [RCSE] from any private emails. Lot easier to distinguish. I can't tell it's private most of the time when it has the exchange title on it. Tom - Original Message - From: "Jeff Steifel" <[EMAIL

RE: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

At no point in my post did I suggest or imply that the current LSF Level 1 be replaced; I merely asked if the list of tasks posted was perceived to be as difficult as the current LSF Level 1.   I never have nor will I ever suggest or propose the replacement and/or modification of the curr

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

Damn I did it again. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this was private. I thought I hit reply instead of reply all, so I added RCSE back. This IS a public apology for going public on something that should have been private. And for everyone out there Please put PRIVATE on the TOP line of your

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[RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts

OK, I've read nearly all the comments on this topic in both forums and I'm ready to toss my two cents worth in the pot. If I were king, here's what I'd do to get my "royal advisors" started right after I explained the "KISS" principle. - Anyone wanting to become an LSF "Sportsman" MUST success

[RCSE] LSF Discussion

Guys, I do not get something here. Why do people keep talking about the tasks being difficult. They are all fun and yes maybe challenging but not difficult. Of course the 8 hour slope flight might be considered difficult or at least boring after a while. I consider things like having to lis

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

I was thinking the same thing.  The first LSF task is perfect.  If you spend your time getting to know your plane, then doing LSF I should be a breeze.  I also think the first task goes what it should do and that's intice people to participate.  If it was an overtly difficult first task, I wouldn't

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

In a message dated 9/13/2006 1:39:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you perceive the following to be a set of tasks that is at least asdifficult as LSF Level 1? Whyinhell do we NEED a replacement for Level I?! - did you mean Level II?  If so, the short answ

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Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

Ryan, is it your intention to have me draft the program? I'm sorry I won't do that. Smarter people than myself came up with the original program. I feel the current program is like the US Constitution. It is very good. It holds up under time. It isn't perfect, but what is? But on the other han

RE: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

Jeff, Would you perceive the following to be a set of tasks that is at least as difficult as LSF Level 1? Step 1 1. 2 flights, each with duration of at least 3 minutes. 2. 2 flights, each with duration of at least 3 minutes but not more than 3 minutes 30 seconds, and a landing in a circl

Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion

Ok, I won't point and shoot. But the argument is weak about the pick up or sun roof. Go rent a convertible. Others have done it. The goal and return on a short course doesn't mimick the task. The air could be great on the short course because of the landscape. The long course is truly challengin

Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion

Jim, I would think there would be some way to gather enough information to set up a fair point system and not let it bog down what seems to be a reasonable and needed revision. Tom - Original Message - From: "Jim Deck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tom Broeski" ; "RCSE" Sent: Wednesday,

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Re: [RCSE] Jim's Flame suit, and other curiosities...

Tom, Since I wrote to RCSE last night, I figure you might want an answer from me. My motives were completely to encourage folks just to go and challenge themselves to improve their skills. Isn't this what it's all about? I, for one, am completely open to the LSF starting an alternate ladder p

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Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion

Sounds pretty good. I would like to see any witness over 21 for I- III and two for IV and V with at least one being AMA registered. This is very important to those in small or power clubs. Also, since the tasks are basically the same, if you have already completed them, you may try for your n

[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8261

Tom, I shortened your note below to focus on this question of whether anyone cares about you. I did not make the comment you cite, "just do the tasks", but I might have said something like that if you and I were chatting. It would have been a positive encouragement. By that I would mean that I

[RCSE] Jim's Flame suit, and other curiosities...

Jim et all Don and I have spoken and he has had an excellent grasp of what a good program could look like, so rather then clutter up that other thread with a ton of different almost the same posts of tasks, he and I decided that his would be a good place to start. Then if Tom K and the LSF weigh