[spring] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06

2017-06-22 Thread Joel Halpern
Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Has Nits This is a rtg-dir requested review. Summary: Ready for publication as an Informational RFC with some minor items that should be considered. Major: N/A Minor: The introduction treats having a single centralized monitoring system as an

[spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11

2018-05-14 Thread Joel Halpern
Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Ready with Issues I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For

[spring] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-12

2018-06-07 Thread Joel Halpern
Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version

Re: [spring] SRv6 - SRH in encaps or base header - point 2

2018-10-26 Thread Joel Halpern
(resending, +spring as requested) Thank you for the responses. I will respond in line, marked . I fear it will shortly get too deep, but the context is important. I will rephrase here an issue from another thread that I ahve not seen your comments on. If Node 9 is sending traffic to Node

Re: [spring] IPR Poll: draft-guichard-spring-nsh-sr

2019-06-27 Thread Joel Halpern
I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR relevant to this document. Thank you, Joel From: Rob Shakir Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:14 AM To: draft-guichard-spring-nsh...@ietf.org; SPRING WG List Subject: IPR Poll: draft-guichard-spring-nsh-sr Hi Authors, SPRING WG, In parallel to the call for w

[spring] Draft design team charge

2020-07-07 Thread Joel Halpern
Having gotten various volunteers, and considered what the WG needs, the SPRING chairs have selected the design team for clarifying the SR over IPv6 compression situation. The Design team will be Co-Chaired by: Cheng Weiqiang of China Telecom and Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consulta

Re: [spring] Draft design team charge

2020-07-07 Thread Joel Halpern
Sorry folks. This is the wrong version. I will resend in a moment. The important error is that it has the wrong affiliation for Cheng Weiqiang, for which I sincerely apologize. Yours, Joel On 7/7/2020 12:20 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: Having gotten various volunteers, and considered what the WG

[spring] Final? design team charge

2020-07-07 Thread Joel Halpern
Having gotten various volunteers, and considered what the WG needs, the SPRING chairs have selected the design team for clarifying the SR over IPv6 compression situation. The Design team will be Co-Chaired by: Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile and Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultan

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04.txt

2020-07-10 Thread Joel Halpern
My thanks to the authors. The revisions captured here address my concerns regarding the call for adoption. Yours, Joel On 7/10/2020 3:43 PM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source

[spring] Fwd: Encourage people to visit NomCom during office hours

2020-07-25 Thread Joel Halpern
Forwarding for your information as requested by the nomcom chair. Thank you, Joel Forwarded Message Subject: Encourage people to visit NomCom during office hours Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:16:18 + From: STARK, BARBARA H To: 'Working Group Chairs' Hi WG Chairs, Could you le

[spring] Fwd: NomCom 2020: Call for nominations

2020-08-25 Thread Joel Halpern
which this NomCom is responsible, follows: LLC Board - Maja Andjelkovic IETF Trust - Joel Halpern IAB - Jari Arkko - Jeff Tantsura - Mark Nottingham * - Stephen Farrell - Wes Hardaker - Zhenbin Li IESG - Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair/GEN AD * - Alvaro Retana, RTG AD - Deborah Brungard, RTG AD -

[spring] Fwd: NomCom 2020: Second Call for nominations

2020-09-15 Thread Joel Halpern
onsidered MUST have provided acceptance and a questionnaire response. LLC Board (3-year term) Maja Andjelkovic IETF Trust (3-year term) Joel Halpern IAB (2-year term) Jari Arkko Jeff Tantsura Mark Nottingham * Stephen Farrell Wes Hardaker

[spring] Fwd: NomCom is Open for Community Feedback

2020-10-15 Thread Joel Halpern
Please provide input to the nomcom. Thank you, Joel Forwarded Message Subject: NomCom is Open for Community Feedback Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:28:59 -0700 From: NomCom Chair 2020 To: IETF Announcement List CC: i...@ietf.org Hi IETF, Your friendly NomCom is currently accepti

Re: [spring] Progressing Standardizing SR over IPv6 compression

2021-08-20 Thread Joel Halpern
Thank you to everyone who has replied to our request for WG feedback. As soon as the chairs have had a chance to consult, we will let you know what the next steps are. Yours Joel, Jim, and Bruno On 8/4/2021 2:52 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: The SPRING Working Group Chairs thank the design team f

[spring] Fwd: Full list of volunteers so far

2022-07-15 Thread Joel Halpern
If you are  eligible (or even think you might be, they can sort it out) please volunteer for the nomcom.  The IETF is better if a wider range of folks help select the leadership. Yours, Joel Forwarded Message Subject:Full list of volunteers so far Date: Fri, 15

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-02.txt

2022-07-19 Thread Joel Halpern
Looking at this draft, I believe it is mostly editorial.  I think I saw one fix that was technical (and likely necessary), and one clarification.  It would be good to have an email on the list calling out those items (and any other substantive changes I missed) since this is a WG document. Th

[spring] presentations

2022-07-21 Thread Joel Halpern
I see that one person (thank you) has submitted slides for the meeting.  It would be helpful if all presenters could upload slides at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/session/spring Yours, Joel ___ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org https:

[spring] draft problem - segment routing for enhanced detnet presentation

2022-07-27 Thread Joel Halpern
Note that the segment routing for enhanced detnet was uploaded as ppt.  We can not share ppt.  If I see the pdf in my email in time I will share it.  If not, we will skip that presentation. Yours, Joel ___ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org https:/

Re: [spring] WGLC for draft-ietf-srping-sr-replication-segment

2022-07-27 Thread Joel Halpern
As a reminder (it is not as easy to find as I would like, and will likely change when the move the ietf to wiki.js) the list of requests can be found at https://trac.ietf.org/trac/spring/wiki. Yours, Joel On 7/27/2022 4:10 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: Joel, Maybe you missed my earlier email to

[spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-03 Thread Joel Halpern
SPRING WG: At the suggestion of our AD, the WG Chairs have been discussing whether it would be helpful to be more explicit, in I-Ds and RFCs we produce, about the announced implementations and known interoperability tests that have occurred.  If the WG agrees, we would like to institute and p

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-10 Thread Joel Halpern
mentation exist v/s applicable. Thanks! Dhruv On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 8:14 PM Joel Halpern wrote: SPRING WG: At the suggestion of our AD, the WG Chairs have been discussing whether it would be helpful to be more explicit, in I-Ds and RFCs we produce, about the announced implem

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-12 Thread Joel Halpern
posed wording is clear enough about the information being a snapshot in time, please suggest further wording. Again, written w/o any hat and hoping to help a useful discussion Regards -éric *From: *spring on behalf of Joel Halpern *Date: *Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 16:56 *To: *SPRING WG

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-12 Thread Joel Halpern
The proposal is to document what we can determine.  It is NOT to block publication until it is all implemented. Yours, Joel On 8/12/2022 5:40 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: I agree – it’s great to document the implementations but let’s not require every line of the drafts to implemented prio

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-12 Thread Joel Halpern
With regard to point 1 about MUSTs and implementations, we chose this because we recognize the reality that what people say is an implementation of an RFC may not include all the MUST clauses.  If we were protocol police, that would be a problem.  In this case, we would rather know about partia

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-12 Thread Joel Halpern
much higher then spec can handle .. especially after freezing it after publication. Thx, R. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:02 AM Joel Halpern wrote: With regard to point 1 about MUSTs and implementations, we chose this because we recognize the reality that what people say

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-13 Thread Joel Halpern
munity benefits. Cheers, Jeff *From: *Joel Halpern <mailto:j...@joelhalpern.com> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 7:45 AM *To: *SPRING WG List <mailto:spring@ietf.org> *Subject: *[spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperabil

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-19 Thread Joel Halpern
:15 PM Joel Halpern wrote: SPRING WG: At the suggestion of our AD, the WG Chairs have been discussing whether it would be helpful to be more explicit, in I-Ds and RFCs we produce, about the announced implementations and known interoperability tests that have occurred. KT

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-19 Thread Joel Halpern
While what you propose may be cleaner, what Ketan asked about is a common practice.  So it seems useful to recognize that reality. Yours, Joel On 8/19/2022 10:58 AM, Robert Raszuk wrote: Joel, I would be interested in hearing from the WG on this. My expectations is that if someone sa

Re: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability

2022-08-25 Thread Joel Halpern
continuing to record implementation status after publication if there is WG consensus. Thanks, Adrian From: spring On Behalf Of Joel Halpern Sent: 03 August 2022 15:45 To: SPRING WG List Subject: [spring] Proposed policy on reporting implementation and interoperability SPRING WG: At the

[spring] Wiki change

2022-09-01 Thread Joel Halpern
As the IETF is moving its tools from trac to newer wiki tooling, the WG chairs have worked with staff (Greg Wood did most of the work) to move the SPRING wiki to the new tools. You can now find the SPRING wiki at: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/spring (The old wiki at https://trac.ietf.org/trac/s

[spring] Fwd: NomCom 2022-2023 Call for Nominations

2022-09-28 Thread Joel Halpern
For your information.  Nominating people you consider well-qualified is one good way to help the IETF process.  Once nominations are completed, providing feeedback on niminees will be another good way to help the process. Thank you, Joel Forwarded Message Subject:

[spring] Remind to SPRING of question on srv6 sids

2022-09-29 Thread Joel Halpern
Below is an email Jen sent as co-chair of 6man, asking specifically for SPRING input on some questions.  Please comment on the questions asked below. Yours, Joel -- Hello, This email starts the 6man Working Group Last Call for the "Segment Identifiers in SRv6" draft (https://datatracke

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-09-30 Thread Joel Halpern
Hmmm.   I read "signal" in the draft as "indicate".  That is, for example, if there is an address range defined to be reserved for SIDs then that range appearing in the destination address is the "signal". Yours, Joel On 10/1/2022 12:09 AM, Fred Baker wrote: It talks about a signal, but the s

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-06 Thread Joel Halpern
I wonder if we could / should add a sentence or two related to the address block noting that if an operator chooses to use other address blocks for the SRv6 SIDs then they need to be extra careful about configuring their edge filters to prevent leaks inwards or outwards? Yours, Joel On 10/6/

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-07 Thread Joel Halpern
0/7/2022 9:04 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Joel,   Thanks for your comment. Please find response inline On Oct 6, 2022, at 11:15 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: I wonder if we could / should add a sentence or two related to the address block noting that if an operator chooses to use other address bloc

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-07 Thread Joel Halpern
Thanks.  Good enough for me. On 10/7/2022 9:16 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Joel, On Oct 7, 2022, at 9:07 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: Almost, but not quite.  The first part, up to "egress points" is fine.  But the description of the reasons leaves out one case I think is importa

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-08 Thread Joel Halpern
Robert, I am having trouble understanding your email. 1) A Domain would only filter the allocated SIDs plus what it chooses to use for SRv6. 2) Whatever it a domain filters should be irrelevant to any other domain, since by definition SRv6 is for use only within a limited domain.  So as far

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-08 Thread Joel Halpern
more encap. If there is any spec which mandates that someone will drop my IPv6 packets only because they contain SRH in the IPv6 header I consider this an evil and unjustified action. Kind regards, Robert On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:40 PM Joel Halpern wrote: Robert, I am having trouble un

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-09 Thread Joel Halpern
IPv6 packets only because they contain SRH in the IPv6 header I consider this an evil and unjustified action. > > Kind regards, > Robert > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:40 PM Joel Halpern mailto:j...@joelhalpern.com>> wrote: > >     Rober

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-09 Thread Joel Halpern
R. On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 4:37 PM Joel Halpern wrote: We require, per the RFC, blocking SRH outside of the limited domain for many reasons. One example is that it turns SRH into a powerful attack vector, given that source address spoofing means there is little way to

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
: *ipv6 on behalf of Joel Halpern *Date: *Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 16:38 *To: *Robert Raszuk *Cc: *6man , SPRING WG List *Subject: *Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids We require, per the RFC, blocking SRH outside of the limited domain for many reasons. One example is that it turns

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
h's I-D. Regards -éric *From: *Joel Halpern *Date: *Monday, 10 October 2022 at 15:36 *To: *Eric Vyncke , Robert Raszuk *Cc: *6man , SPRING WG List *Subject: *Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids Eric, you seem to be objecting to something I did not say.  I have not asked, and d

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
ated to Suresh's I-D. Regards -éric *From: *Joel Halpern *Date: *Monday, 10 October 2022 at 15:36 *To: *Eric Vyncke , Robert Raszuk *Cc: *6man , SPRING WG List *Subject: *Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids Eric, you seem to be objecting to some

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
are exactly my point. Just curious - Is there any other extension header type subject to being a good enough reason to drop packets at any transit node in IPv6 ? Thx, R. On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 3:53 PM Joel Halpern wrote: Protection from leaking inwards is required by the RFCs as far as

[spring] SPRING WG Implementation Information Policy

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
The WG call for this policy completed.  The WG chairs reviewed the comments, and modified the policy accordingly.  Below is the new text which applies from here on.  This will get posted in a suitable place on the WG wiki. -- For this working group, when an I-Ds is ready for WG last call

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
relevant question for this draft. Yours, Joel On 10/10/2022 10:31 AM, Ole Troan wrote: Joel, On 10 Oct 2022, at 15:36, Joel Halpern wrote: Eric, you seem to be objecting to something I did not say. I have not asked, and do not expect, for the document to mandate or even suggest that arbitrary

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern
gal and great. But you keep stating that filtering can also happen based on presence of SRH alone - irrespective of the destination address of the packet. That is something I have hard time to agree with. Best, R. On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 5:35 PM Joel Halpern wrote: There appear to be

Re: [spring] 6MAN WGLC: draft-ietf-6man-sids

2022-10-11 Thread Joel Halpern
     Am I wrong understanding that definition of "limited domain" was never approved by any formal IETF process ? > >                 If so do you really think we should be bounded on something which has been defined outside of IETF ? > >           

[spring] Fwd: Directorate Early Reviews

2022-10-13 Thread Joel Halpern
For your information, the Routing ADs have announced the below policy and recommendations. Yours, Joel Forwarded Message Subject:Directorate Early Reviews Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 07:29:38 + From: Andrew Alston - IETF To: rtg

Re: [spring] SPRING WG Implementation Information Policy

2022-10-14 Thread Joel Halpern
the draft / RFC" a couple of times. Could you clarify, and if necessary tweak the wiki text. Many thanks. Adrian -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Joel Halpern Sent: 10 October 2022 15:18 To: SPRING WG List Subject: [spring] SPRING WG Implementation Information Policy

Re: [spring] SPRING WG Implementation Information Policy

2022-10-14 Thread Joel Halpern
al Message- From: Joel Halpern Sent: 14 October 2022 13:56 To: adr...@olddog.co.uk; 'SPRING WG List' Subject: Re: [spring] SPRING WG Implementation Information Policy We removed all references to retaining the material in the published RFC. And emphasized that we are following

Re: [spring] My question at the mike about draft-dong-spring-srv6-inter-layer-programming

2022-11-08 Thread Joel Halpern
Speaking as a participant, why can they not be unnumbered IP interfaces?  No address allocation.  And you can omit them from the IGP if you want (so that it is only used by steered traffic?) Yours, Joel On 11/8/2022 10:47 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: Hi Sasha, Allocating IP addresses is one

[spring] Notice from nomcom

2022-11-18 Thread Joel Halpern
At the very helpful suggestion of the nomcom chair, with text from other WG chairs: All, The NomCom is tasked with selecting the IETF leadership, like the IESG and the IAB. For the NomCom to be able to make an informed decision, they need feedback from the wider IETF community. Please, allo

Re: [spring] WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment

2022-12-10 Thread Joel Halpern
Speaking personally, my understanding of the "stateless" aspect of SR does not match what this email seems to describe. SR is path stateless.  There is no state related to specific paths across the network.  Any SID may be used, if it has relevant meaning, in any path. Advertising routers ha

[spring] WG Adoption call for Segment Routing Header encapsulation for Alternate Marking Method

2023-02-01 Thread Joel Halpern
This call is for the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark This email starts the WG adoption call for the subject draft (as requested by the authors, with apologies from the WG chairs for how long it has taken to kick this out.)  This call will run through th

Re: [spring] WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment

2023-02-16 Thread Joel Halpern
Would it make sense to note (in an operability section or similar) that the replication behavior does under soem circumstances result in a packet with a partially processed segment list in an SRH and a destination address that does not appear explicitly or by mechanical manipulation in the SRH?

Re: [spring] [IPv6] WG Adoption call for Segment Routing Header encapsulation for Alternate Marking Method

2023-02-20 Thread Joel Halpern
m-srv6 Regards, Giuseppe *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Ketan Talaulikar *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2023 12:46 PM *To:* Joel Halpern *Cc:* SPRING WG List ; 6man *Subject:* Re: [spring] [IPv6] WG Adoption call for Segment Routing H

[spring] Regarding adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark

2023-02-20 Thread Joel Halpern
The WG Adoption call time has expired. There was good support for the document.  There were also concerns expressed about whether there is a need for the work and how it relates to existing RFCs.   The authors have agreed to write a deployment / operations section that better explains why one wou

[spring] Usage of DoH vs SRH TLVs

2023-02-22 Thread Joel Halpern
The SPRING WG Chairs have noticed several recent discussions which wound around to the question of whether specific information belongs in a Destination Option Header (DOH) before the SHR, or belongs in an SRH TLV.  Clearly there are some pieces of information that are closely tied to the SRH,

Re: [spring] [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-raviolli-intarea-trusted-domain-srv6-00.txt

2023-03-29 Thread Joel Halpern
Robert, the SRv6 SRH specification (and b derivation all the SRv6 related specifications) is explicit that it is for use in a limited domain.  It is not intended to allow or enable SRv6 to be sent over arbitrary portions of the Internet without suitable encapsulation (and probably at least auth

Re: [spring] [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-raviolli-intarea-trusted-domain-srv6-00.txt

2023-03-29 Thread Joel Halpern
Not quite, but close. Routers which are not upgraded, and receive packets with the new ethertype, will drop them.  Which theoretically is fine for routers which are not intended to be on SRv6 paths.  Practically, since you want to be able to run the paths where you need them, you probably do n

[spring] Carrying additional information in DOH and SRH

2023-04-18 Thread Joel Halpern
After looking at the issue of when information belongs in IPv6 destination options and when it belongs in an SRH TLV, the chairs recommend the following: 1) Information which is generally applicable to IPv6 nodes should go into IPv6 destination options, including the use of destination options be

[spring] Regarding the adoption poll on draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark

2023-04-20 Thread Joel Halpern
This email concludes the adoption call for draft-fx-spring-srv6-alt-makr.  The document is not adopted. RFC 9343 provides a way to provide Alternate Marking Method in IPv6 networks. draft-fz-spring-srv6-alt-mark is anAlternate Marking Method dedicated to SRv6 EndPoints nodes. Reviewing the

Re: [spring] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-12: (with COMMENT)

2023-04-24 Thread Joel Halpern
Thanks Eric.  Trimmed, just to keep your two questions.  I am speaking as a significant contributor, but will leave text changes to the pen holders. Yours, Joel On 4/24/2023 9:12 AM, Éric Vyncke via Datatracker wrote: Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sprin

Re: [spring] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-12: (with COMMENT)

2023-04-26 Thread Joel Halpern
Responding to the first comment in line as s document contributor, trimmed. Yours, Joel On 4/26/2023 4:15 PM, Erik Kline via Datatracker wrote: Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-12: No Objection > > ... > >

Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] The SPRING WG has placed draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2023-05-19 Thread Joel Halpern
WG Adoption" The SPRING WG has placed draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Joel Halpern) The document is available at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy/__;!!OSsGDw!PrF5MLj2VoK47Bu

Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] The SPRING WG has placed draft-schmutzer-spring-cs-sr-policy in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2023-05-24 Thread Joel Halpern
bandwidth, recovery, path constraints etc.) hence i believe the draft should be adopted. Cheers, Daniele On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:13 PM Joel Halpern wrote:

[spring] Fwd: NomCom 2023 Call for Volunteers

2023-06-05 Thread Joel Halpern
Please give serious consideration to volunteering for the IETF nomcom.  The community needs a broad rang eof volunteers. Thank you, Joel Forwarded Message Subject:NomCom 2023 Call for Volunteers Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2023 16:50:08 -0700 From: NomCom Chair 2023 Reply

Re: [spring] [Last-Call] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment-14

2023-06-16 Thread Joel Halpern
I will leave it to the authors and shepherd to respond, including whether to add a reference for the pseudo-code in 2.2.1. Just to save one piece of effort, the pseudo-code technique used here was introduced in RFC 8986, and is used in almost all the SRv6 related drafts / RFCs.  While I am not

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
I probably need to re-read the draft.  Does the draft assume the CPE is part of the operator domain?  Remember that SRv6 MUST be used ONLY within a limited domain? Yours, Joel On 7/14/2023 2:22 AM, Weiqiang Cheng wrote: Hi Aijun, Thank you very much for your comments. We will add some text t

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
.  Otherwise, this usage violates the base rules for SRv6. Personally, I would like to see this fixed before adoption completes. Yours, Joel On 7/14/2023 9:44 AM, Joel Halpern wrote: I probably need to re-read the draft.  Does the draft assume the CPE is part of the operator domain?  Remember that

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
s you very well know the history is not a very technical thing ... On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 5:08 PM Joel Halpern wrote: Speaking as an individual participant, it seems to me that the description of using CPE as SRv6 endpoints needs to state explicitly and clearly that this assumes

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
gnize that I am actually sending v6 packets with extension headers and drop those ... but this is not a concern for this thread nor for IETF. In such a case I will would switch an ISP :) Cheers, R. On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 5:33 PM Joel Halpern wrote: Nope. The host case for SRv6 i

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
tection or data integrity lot's of applications use app level encryption so asking for transport tunnel security would be redundant at best. Thx, R. On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 5:42 PM Joel Halpern wrote: If they want to specify in the draft that the CPE are operator managed by a single ope

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
t 6:15 PM Joel Halpern wrote: If a deployment of SRv6 uses unsecured tunnels as a means to deliver SRv6 packets between pieces of the domain, then anyone, almost anywhere in the Internet, can inject such packets.  That is not a limited domain.  It is a wide open domain. Yo

Re: [spring] spring WG Adoption Call for draft-cheng-dhc-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp

2023-07-14 Thread Joel Halpern
ise irrespective if authors add proposed text or not the behaviour will be identical in practice. Kind regards, Robert On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 6:27 PM Joel Halpern wrote: You may not subscribe to the notion of limited domains. But the RFCs do.  Hence, the WG is required to do so. 

[spring] Issue 1 regarding draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2023-07-31 Thread Joel Halpern
As per the discussions on list and at IETF 117, the SPRING WG chairs (myself and Alvaro specifically) are attempting to determine if we can close the open issues regarding https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression/ The editors have entered proposed resolutions for

Re: [spring] Question regarding draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2023-08-02 Thread Joel Halpern
Speaking personally, not as chair. As far as I know, there is no need for an update to 8200 for this quasi-problem. Let's state the problem with or without SRH. If two trusted hosts inside a trusted domain that uses SRv6 are communicating, and the path they wish to select has more than one h

Re: [spring] Question regarding draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2023-08-03 Thread Joel Halpern
ggested, I am opening a separate thread that includes SPRING and 6MAN. Cheers, Tal. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:52 PM Joel Halpern wrote: Speaking personally, not as chair. As far as I know, there is no need for an update to 8200 for this quasi-problem. Let's state the problem with or witho

Re: [spring] Issue 1 regarding draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2023-08-07 Thread Joel Halpern
So folks don't get confused, later today I will be issueing calls to confirm the editor's conclusions on issues #3, #4, and #5. Those will run for 2 weeks.  The call for issue #1 continues, and the call for issue #2 will be issued next week. Yours, Joel __

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-cheng-spring-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp-01.txt

2023-08-07 Thread Joel Halpern
For now speaking personally, although this may require chairs' intervention, I do not find the trust domain text to be sufficient.   While I am not sure it would suffice, I would expect the text that goes with figure 1 to explicitly state both that the CPE are under operator control and that th

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-cheng-spring-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp-01.txt

2023-08-08 Thread Joel Halpern
the potential for cooperation and trust among multiple operators in practical applications. B.R. Weiqiang *From:* Joel Halpern <mailto:j...@joelhalpern.com> *Date:* 2023-08-07 22:10 *To:* Weiqiang Cheng <mailto:chengweiqi...@chinamobile.com>; spring <mailto:sprin

[spring] Confimring resolution of issue #3 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2023-08-08 Thread Joel Halpern
Issue #3 in the datatracker reads The definition for the SegmentsLeft field of the SRH as currently stated in [RFC8754][RFC8200] no longer holds true in the presence of C-SIDs. This definition needs to be updated to still hold true in the presence of C-SIDs. The response from the document ed

[spring] Confimring resolution of issue #4 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2023-08-08 Thread Joel Halpern
Issue #4 reads: In some cases it is possible that the SR policy can be expressed purely with C-SIDs without requiring an SRH. In this case, to allow the SR domain to fail closed, some form of filtering based on the LOC part of the SRv6 SID is required as relying purely on the presence of an SR

[spring] Confimring resolution of issue #5 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression/

2023-08-08 Thread Joel Halpern
Issue #5 reads: The use of C-SIDs might cause some difficulty in troubleshooting error conditions signaled by ICMPv6. Section 5.4 of [RFC8754] describes the ICMPv6 error processing that is required to be performed on the SR Source Nodes to correlate packets since the Destination Address of the

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-cheng-spring-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp-01.txt

2023-08-09 Thread Joel Halpern
uot; Including such text would provide a clearer expression of the author's understanding of the concept of a trusted domain and remind readers to consider the potential for cooperation and trust among multiple operators in practical applications. B.R. Weiqiang

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification fordraft-cheng-spring-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp-01.txt

2023-08-10 Thread Joel Halpern
gards, Weiqiang ---原始邮件--- * 发件人:* Joel Halpern * 发送时间:*  2023-08-09 20:30:49 * 收件人:*  Weiqiang Cheng spring * 主题:* Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification fordraft-cheng-spring-distribute-srv6-locator-by-dhcp-01.txt I look forward to seeing a draft with these changes. Yours, Joel O

[spring] Confirming resolution of issue #2 of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2023-08-15 Thread Joel Halpern
As mentioned earlier, we also need to confirm the resolution of issue #2 on the subject document. This call will run for 1 week.  Please speak up if you either support closing this issue or see aspects that need further discussion or different resolution. Issue 2 reads: As reminded in the c

[spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression - resolving most open issues

2023-08-22 Thread Joel Halpern
The chairs have observed the discussions, and appreciate the responses from the working group. With regard to issues 2 - 5, we consider that the WG has agreed to the proposed resolutions.  We will close these issues promptly. With regard to issue 1, while there was a lot of support for closin

Re: [spring] Differences between draft-liu-spring-sr-policy-flexible-path-selection and draft-chen-spring-sr-policy-cp-validity

2023-08-30 Thread Joel Halpern
Speaking as an individual contributor. I may be misreading this.  It looks like the first draft depends upon a definition of a valid or invalid segment list, but does not provide a definition for that.  It looks like the second draft provides a precise definition for an invalid segment list.  

Re: [spring] Differences between draft-liu-spring-sr-policy-flexible-path-selection and draft-chen-spring-sr-policy-cp-validity

2023-08-30 Thread Joel Halpern
Hmmm.  I think what confused me is that I don't see an explicit reference to the RFC 9256 segment-list invalid rule, only a reference to the candidate path validity.  Seems easily fixed? Would it make sense for that fix to have text along the lines of "other segment-list validity criteria may

[spring] ICMP and Compressed SIDs

2023-09-06 Thread Joel Halpern
Askign as a participant: In section 10.1 it says: When the SRv6 SID in the destination address of the ICMPv6 echo request is one of the SID flavors defined in this document, the SR source node MUST set the arguments of the SID to 0 What is a receiver required to do if it gets an improper ICM

[spring] Volunteers for the SPRING SRv6 Compression draft

2023-09-06 Thread Joel Halpern
While we await further discussion between commentors and editors (and the WG as a whole) on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression, I am looking for at least two volunteers (more are welcome). One volunteer is for a slightly unusual ask.  I am looking for someone who is interested in SRv6 and

Re: [spring] Volunteers for the SPRING SRv6 Compression draft

2023-09-06 Thread Joel Halpern
been involved in implementation nor reading the draft repeatedly. Linda -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Joel Halpern Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 11:11 AM To: SPRING WG List Subject: [spring] Volunteers for the SPRING SRv6 Compression draft While we await further discu

Re: [spring] Volunteers for the SPRING SRv6 Compression draft

2023-09-06 Thread Joel Halpern
In case my reply here confused folks, more reviewers is better. This reply was not intended to cut off offers from folks. Thank you, Joel On 9/6/2023 12:23 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: Thank you Linda.  That would be very helpful.  Let's wait little bt for revisions, and then I would appre

Re: [spring] ICMP and Compressed SIDs

2023-09-07 Thread Joel Halpern
2023 at 16:38:30, Joel Halpern wrote: Askign as a participant: In section 10.1 it says: When the SRv6 SID in the destination address of the ICMPv6 echo request is one of the SID flavors defined in this document, the SR source node MUST set the arguments of the SID to 0 What is a receiver

Re: [spring] ICMP and Compressed SIDs

2023-09-07 Thread Joel Halpern
7 Sep 2023 at 14:49:20, Joel Halpern wrote: Can you explain then what the text is section 10.1 is talking about?  It seems like it is mandating certain bits being 0 for it to be considered a match?  (I will also have to find out more about why the tests showed certain routers dropping such

Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-08.txt

2023-09-13 Thread Joel Halpern
Thank you Francois (and the editorial team.) We received a number of offers for reviews of the kind I requested.  Responders, please go ahead and review this version. If anyone who did not respond wishes to review, you are mor ethan welcome.  We cannot possibly have too many reviews. Thank y

[spring] Fwd: NomCom 2023 Needs Your Feedback

2023-11-06 Thread Joel Halpern
Please give feedback to the nomcom. Yours, Joel Forwarded Message Subject:NomCom 2023 Needs Your Feedback Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2023 22:26:13 -0800 From: NomCom Chair 2023 Reply-To: nomcom-chair-2...@ietf.org To: IETF Announcement List Hi, The NomCom

Re: [spring] A review of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression-08

2023-12-30 Thread Joel Halpern
To clarify one question I noted in the below agreements, once all the open isues have been closed, I expect that the editors will remove the appendix that tracks them.  We asked that they be included in the draft so that WG participants would be more aware of them (as people often do not look a

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