In reviewing again NFPA 13 does not mention there being wood (Plywood in
this case) between the insulation and top of wood structure.
I believe I have answered my question below in that I will install
sprinklers in this space.
Good morning,
I am working on a Flat Roof, wood frame, single
Good morning,
I am working on a Flat Roof, wood frame, single story building.
The membrane roof is insulated above the structure.
5/8" Plywood Roof Deck attached directly to the framing.
Concealed Space is 1'-10" high down to 1'-6" minimum, 11,000 SF
5/8" Gypsum board attached directly to
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Alright. Thank you. You confirmed my interpretation as well.On Jan. 11, 2022 15:56, Tom Wellen via Sprinklerforum wrote:Troy,
No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed
for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide
protection.
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Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE
My question is: Are QR uprights listed to be used in those areas or does it
hav
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Subject: Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE
Troy,
No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for
horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide
protection.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium
Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE
My question is: Are QR uprights listed to be used in those areas or does it
have to be a CCS sprinkler?
Troy
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Troy,
No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed
for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide
protection.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium Fire
Troy,
No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed
for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide
protection.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via
Sprinklerforum wrote:
> Can someone confirm that
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Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC
Subject: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE
Can someone confirm that it is not mandatory to use CCS sprinklers in a space
36" or less?
I know it allows for larger spacing, but code wise. I don't believe they are a
must and the space can be pr
Can someone confirm that it is not mandatory to use CCS sprinklers in a
space 36" or less?
I know it allows for larger spacing, but code wise. I don't believe they are
a must and the space can be protected with QR uprights.
Regards
Troy S
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Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space
So, if an attic is constructed with a pitch of less than or equal to
2:12 and the depth of that space is less than or equal to 36" from deck to
ceiling, then it becomes a horizontal cc space and MUST be protected with
list
ry 28, 2021 7:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space
Or to put it another way, if an attic is constructed so that its configuration
meets the conditions of 9.3.2, it MUST be protected with listed CC sprin
: Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum
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Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space
I think it's fair to say that an attic (agreeing with Taylor S) is at the top,
however, an "attic" can
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Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space
CCS style sprinklers are generally listed to a maximum 2:12 pitch so IMO this
is the best indicator of the difference between an attic space and a
combustible ceiling sp
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CCS style sprinklers are generally listed to a maximum 2:12 pitch so IMO this
is the best indicator of the difference between an attic s
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NFPA
NFPA Glossary of Terms 2019 ed.
Attic: The space located between the ceiling of a story and the roof directly
above that habitable story.
Question: When does an attic become a Horizontal CC Space? And vice versa?
Question: Do the rules of NFPA 13, 9.3.2 (2019 ed) specifically prohibit the
wrote:
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> From: kevin mick
> Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling
> To: Steve Leyton
>
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> Hi
>
> the building is sprinklered . a design change is being m
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From: kevin mick
Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling
To: Steve Leyton
Hi
the building is sprinklered . a design change is being made it install a
gas furnace above the hung
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Cc: kevin mick
Subject: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling
i have a non sprinklered building with hung ceiling in kitchen area
If a gas furnace is installed above the ceiling is localized protection ok
section 8.15.1.4 (nfpa13 2016
i have a non sprinklered building with hung ceiling in kitchen area
If a gas furnace is installed above the ceiling is localized protection ok
section 8.15.1.4 (nfpa13 2016) covers heat producing devices with composite
wd joist
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> Better clarification should be in the 2022 edition…… Subject to ballot,
> nitmams, e
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Better clarification should be in the 2022 edition…… Subject to ballot,
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Thank you Kevin,
I'll send it to the AHJ
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> Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6"
> Non-Combustible Concealed sp
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 PM Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum <
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> Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6"
> Non-Combustible Concealed space that has a h
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Is it really a closet, or just an enclosure with an access panel?
> O
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Non-Combustible Concealed Space
>
> Here is my s
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Cc: Mike Hairfield
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Non-Combustible Concealed Space
Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible
Concealed space that has a heat pump unit inside this space. There is not a
door into this space only
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Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space
Mike:
Check into the AFSA informal interp archives regarding VTACs. I had one from
them in a hotel project recently. The spaces did not contain fuel fired
equipment so did not require protection.
Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP
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Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space
Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" No
Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible
Concealed space that has a heat pump
unit inside this space. There is not a door into this space only a discharge
grill that can be removed by the maintenance
staff to get access to service these u
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> *To:* Steve Leyton ;
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> *Subject:* RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> In the PNW it has bee
'Cary Webber'
Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
Steve,
In the PNW it has been an issue ever since the 2006 edition came out. Some
building departments and or the fire prevention department has made comments on
our plans review stating that based on this section in t
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From: Steve Leyton
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:30 AM
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Cc: Anthony
Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
Anthony:
The code has never been enforced this way - sprin
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Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
All, in the IBC it says i
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
On the downside, if all areas above the ceilings are not protected, it may
give a false sense of security. On the upside, more sprinklers are better,
and even if not required they can act as detectors in the sp
inklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed
> Vining via Sprinklerforum
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:35 AM
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> Subject: Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
Yes, it is specified in NFPA 13. NFPA 13, does not tell you which buildings are
required to be sprinklered, which task is up to the building code or local
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Original message From: John Irwin via Sprinklerforum
Date: 6/18/20 2:21 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: John Irwin
Subject: Uprights in non combustible concealed
space
We installed temp
ct: Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
Not really. The codes and standards determine the decision.
This may be my last post. At the age of 95 I am starting to lose interest.
Ed Vining
2770 Pleasant Hill Rd Apt 228
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The AHJ should enforce the code not make it up, code does not prohibit the
sprinklers to remain above the ceiling.
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We installed temporary upright Protection in a partially occupied building
during a major renovation. We then came back and dropped pendent heads in the
new ceiling. We left the uprights above the new ceiling. Fire inspector says we
need to remove the uprights now. Is there a basis for removing
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> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
> Subject: Combustible Concealed Space
>
> I’m looking at a building with steel bar joists with a wood nailer and
> plywood deck. The building will have a drop ceiling, and of
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Of Kyle.Montgomery
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:55 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space
I still need to verify, but it look
: Sprinklerforum
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space
How do they intend to secure the insulation?
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-553-3553 (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)
On Oct 23, 2018 at 10:48 AM, mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com
>
>
>
>
> If there is insulation at the deck that covers the deck and wood nailers, do
> I need upright sprinklers protecting the area above the ceiling? It seems
> like I would not, but I’ve gone through the section with the combustible
> concealed space exem
esday, October 23, 2018 10:49 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Combustible Concealed Space
I'm looking at a building with steel bar joists with a wood nailer and
plywood deck. The building will have a drop ceiling, and of course have
pendent sprinklers protecting the area
We have ALWAYS sprinklered these spaces.
Steve L.
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Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery
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Subject: Combustible Concealed Space
I'm looking
right sprinklers protecting the area above the ceiling? It seems like I
would not, but I've gone through the section with the combustible concealed
space exemptions and I haven't found one that exactly matches my scenario.
-Kyle M
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
>
>
>
> It is accessible thru the suspended ceiling with ladders.
rk at Aero
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Steve Leyton
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 2:16 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
Absolutely. Wh
ednesday, May 09, 2018 2:16 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire
officials??
Steve
PS: No guarantee of result. Side effects include linger
No restrictions due to the presence of gas fired heater except for 8.15.1.4 -
composite wood joists channels and then its ALL heart-producing equipment.
There is that goofy requirement in 13D for requiring a single sprinkler over
gas-fired furnaces in attics.
Think of it this way. THere’s not
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Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire
officials??
Steve
PS: No
, May 09, 2018 1:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
Steve can I hire you to fight with AHJ’s when I have issues?
Rocci Cetani III, CET
Senior Designer
Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III
Northern
ate agencies here in CA and it’s exhausting …
SML
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Behalf Of Jay Stough
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
It is accessible thru t
exhausting …
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Jay Stough
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM
To: Sprinkler Forum
Subject: Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
It is accessible thru the suspended ceiling with ladders.
Jay
*From: *Jay Stough
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM
> *To: *Sprinkler Forum
> *Subject: *Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
>
>
>
> We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible
> concealed spaces above the ceilings. Most of
Jay,
Are the non combustible concealed spaces readily accessible or no?
From: Jay Stough
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Sprinkler Forum
Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible
concealed
We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible
concealed spaces above the ceilings. Most of the HVAC equipment is on the
roof, but there is one gas fired unit in that concealed space in one area.
I cannot find where I have to install sprinklers in that area due to the
un
From: Dewayne Martinez
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Date: 02/08/2017 03:04 PM
Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space under stair
Sent by:"Sprinklerforum"
It’s just a dead space under the stairs with exposed 2x4 studs but no
access. It is well un
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Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space under stair
Is this an enclosure.
Access door like a closet.?
Electrical equipment?
Art Tiroly
ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly
24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143
216-621-8899
216-570-7030 cell
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Is this an enclosure.
Access door like a closet
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 10:08 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Combustible concealed space under stair
NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9
Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under
stairs that is under 55 SF?
Thanks,
Dewayne
rforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Combustible concealed space under stair
NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9
Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under
stairs that is under 55 SF?
Thanks,
Dewayne
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Subject: Combustible concealed space under stair
NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9
Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under
stairs that is under 55 SF?
Thanks,
Dewayne
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NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9
Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under
stairs that is under 55 SF?
Thanks,
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> Subject: Re: Combustible C
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Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction
you do not go to the floor below the ceiling in determining the applicable
height. Below the ceiling is treated as a
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> Corcoran
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:56 AM
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> Subject: RE: Combustible Con
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To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction
Some input from our tech team:
While NFPA 13 "requires" that specially tested and listed sprinklers be used in
combustible concealed spaces 36
ble KFR CCS is listed to be used in
areas that are 36 inches in height or less.
John Corcoran
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Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:12 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: R
*Travis Mack, SET
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:51 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction
>
>
>
> I think he is saying that his concealed space is >36" in depth. If so,
> then specially listed are
r CCS up to 60" deep with 16 x 16 spacing on the market
now.
Cliff Whitfield
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On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:51 PM
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*Taylor Schumacher
*Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:55 PM
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*Subject:* Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction
Good afternoon forum,
I’m looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in
NFPA 13 2010 to a floor truss space over 36
Schumacher
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:55 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction
Good afternoon forum,
I'm looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in NFPA 13
2010 to a floor truss space over 36" u
Good afternoon forum,
I'm looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in NFPA 13 2010
to a floor truss space over 36" using quick response, standard spray sprinklers.
Could anyone tell me if my assumptions are right?
TAYLOR SCHUMACHER, CET
Security Fire Sprinkler
P 320.656.0847
] *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hairfield
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 9:30 AM
*To:* Sprinkler Forum
*Subject:* Combustible Concealed Space
I have a AHJ telling me that even though the space is completely filled
with noncombustible
insulation that sprinkler protection is still going to be required
gust 9, 2016 10:35 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space
>
> This is the part where I ask "Can you please help me understand what code
> contradicts or is an exception to this so I can get reimbursed by the owner?"
I did, waiting on his reply
From: Sprinklerforum on behalf
of Morey, Mike
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:35 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space
This is the part where I ask "Can you please he
Trying a picture a sprinkler surrounded by insulation - quite absurd.
On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Travis Mack, SET
wrote:
> You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13.
>
> 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible
> insulation shall not require sprinkler
> p
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Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space
That was my point to him exactly.
Mike
From: Sprinklerforum on behalf
of Travis Mack, SET
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:32 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Combustible C
That was my point to him exactly.
Mike
From: Sprinklerforum on behalf
of Travis Mack, SET
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:32 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space
You have an AHJ that is missing a line of
You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13.
2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible
insulation shall not require sprinkler
protection
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
2508 E Lodgepole Drive
Gilbert, AZ 85298
480-505-9271
fax: 866-430-6107
email:tm...@mfpdesi
I have a AHJ telling me that even though the space is completely filled with
noncombustible
insulation that sprinkler protection is still going to be required.
I'm I missing something here?
Mike
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Behalf Of Ed Kramer
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:22 AM
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Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space sprinklers
I'll be contacting the manufacturer later today t
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On Behalf Of Tony Eggster
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 5:48 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space sprinklers
In my opinio
> So if I were King, or better yet an AHJ, I would accept room design.
>
> Brad
> On Mar 14, 2016 5:25 PM, "Ed Kramer" wrote:
>
> > Working on a project where listed combustible concealed space sprinklers
> > (such as Viking COIN) are required. Data sheets cal
rking on a project where listed combustible concealed space sprinklers
> (such as Viking COIN) are required. Data sheets call for a design area of
> 1,000 sf. However, the combustible concealed spaces on several floors of
> this motel are compartmented into areas of approx 345 sf via 1-hour
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