I can confirm that "Clear everything and rescan everything" does not
change the Multi Library library IDs (anymore?). At least it worked this
time. Thank you @PasTim for your input here, I wouldn't have tested it
again otherwise.
QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS
Thanks to dolodobendan and PasTim for your replies. Enjoy the music!
LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5
wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player
no high-end or esoteric audio gear
1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now
RobbH wrote:
> Gentlemen (meaning primarily PasTim and dolodobendan):
>
> These things matter. A lot. To a very few of us. Among that small group
> of "us," opinions vary and disagreements are inevitable. Like academic
> infighting, one of the reasons disputes can be so bitter is that the
>
RobbH wrote:
> Gentlemen (meaning primarily PasTim and dolodobendan):
>
> These things matter. A lot. To a very few of us. Among that small group
> of "us," opinions vary and disagreements are inevitable. Like academic
> infighting, one of the reasons disputes can be so bitter is that the
>
Gentlemen (meaning primarily PasTim and dolodobendan):
These things matter. A lot. To a very few of us. Among that small group
of "us," opinions vary and disagreements are inevitable. Like academic
infighting, one of the reasons disputes can be so bitter is that the
stakes are so small.
I do
PasTim wrote:
> dolodobendan.
>
> This is only time, ever, in all my years on this forum that someone has
> repeatedly insulted me. It has previously always be a pleasure to
> discuss differences and views. But not this time. Music is for
> enjoyment, not some strange form of one-upmanship.
dolodobendan.
This is only time, ever, in all my years on this forum that someone has
repeatedly insulted me. It has previously always be a pleasure to
discuss differences and views. But not this time. Music is for
enjoyment, not some strange form of one-upmanship.
So I'm unsubscribing from
I disagree with so much that you have written that I won't respond bit
by bit. I fail to understand half of it.
Music is NOT about recordings, to me, it about performances, So a
Concerto has a WORKARTIST - it must have, for me. So does a Symphony
(the same as CONDUCTOR), and so on. It/they
PasTim wrote:
> Apology accepted, from someone with a Physics degree and a lifteime in
> IT. Please get over the idea of 'right' and 'wrong'. Just different.
> I will never accuse you of being wrong, just not my way of doing things,
> but, I'm sure, equally good for you.
See? I have a
dolodobendan wrote:
> It wasn't meant to be unnecessarily rude. For that, I apologize. I can
> accept that people view things differently. But I won't say they are
> right if they are not.
Apology accepted, from someone with a Physics degree and a lifteime in
IT. Please get over the idea of
PasTim wrote:
> But I do have MOVEMENTs of many WORKS. Doesn't it bother you that if
> you search for an Opera WORK you don't find all the separate MOVEMENTs
> as well?
Quite the contrary. If I want to listen to one extract, I'll go to
Extracts. That's like asking if it doesn't bother me that
dolodobendan wrote:
> "part of a WORK" is the important part here. Doesn't it bother you that
> *ONE* disc of random arias poses as several operas and fills your
> library with operas that you don't have?
> But I do have MOVEMENTs of many WORKS. Doesn't it bother you that if
you search for an
PasTim wrote:
> I'm afraid I simply don't understand. Sorry. For me, an Aria is part of
> a WORK - it's a MOVEMENT, and the GENRE is for the WORK as a whole (I
> can imagine wanting a sub-sub-genre of ARIA, but I've never done that).
> My library isn't trivial (nearly 32,000 tracks).
"part of
dolodobendan wrote:
> This pretty much shows why RECORDING (or whatever) is needed: "Recording
> Session" (another name that'd work) shows the disc release, not the
> recording session's date, which is 1998 (if ArkivMusic got it right for
> a change. :p ). If I would look, I'm pretty sure I
dolodobendan wrote:
> The problem with your solution is that this creates entries that don't
> represent the work. For example, I'd click on "Il barbiere di Siviglia"
> and get a hundred result, most of them* are that Figaro's aria. (* If'd
> tag a whole opera "opera" and an extracted aria
erland wrote:
>
>
> Sample usage for this classical music disc:
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=451
> -
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/erland/socialmusicdiscovery/master/wiki/DatabaseModel/sample_%20Beethoven_Bernstein_%20Hilary%20Hahn.png
This pretty much shows
PasTim wrote:
> I still assign the WORK if it is an extract, and assign the appropriate
> MOVEMENT (there almost always is a named movement/aria/etc of some
> sort).
The problem with your solution is that this creates entries that don't
represent the work. For example, I'd click on "Il barbiere
PasTim wrote:
> Is this using a custom browse menu you created? Work is not a known tag
> in LMS as far as I know. I don't understand what you mean about tagging
> a 'larger' album with a work tag, unless you mean replacing the album
> name with just one Work. Sorry, I'm being dim.
No,
If its of interest to anyone we did do a domain model in the Social
Music Discovery project that was supposed to cover all kind of music:
-
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/erland/socialmusicdiscovery/master/wiki/DatabaseModel/DomainModel.png
It uses a bit different names for things, for
PasTim wrote:
> Do think think my ideas in #42 would be a good start?
I think a flexible menu makes sense, if I understand you correctly you
are basically thinking of something like the dynamicmixedtags (Dynamic
Tags) menu provided by Custom Scan plugin to Custom Browse. It requires
a few more
erland wrote:
> Assuming LMS will be developed further and doesnt move into a minimal
> maintenance phase I suspect both will eventually break. If nothing else
> breaks them a new Perl version is probably going to do it at some point.
> I would be surprised if the streaming service integration
PasTim wrote:
> I don't know which of Custom Scan or Custom Browse is the more fragile
> in terms of long term developments that might break them. If Custom
> Scan is more likely to survive, then a limited long-life Custom Browse
> that can add the selected extra tags into the flexible menus
erland wrote:
> What Im trying to understand is if ALBUM could be used for recording on
> discs that contain full works and for album title for other albums (like
> your Callas arias example).
> That way we wouldnt have to add support for RECORDING as a separate
> tag. Support for WORK would
dolodobendan wrote:
>
> The album tag is crucial. Take any "artist focused" disc, like Callas
> arias. Every track has a different composer, there's more often than not
> no complete work to find. WORK here is "Extracts". If I want to listen
> to that disc, I have to find that disc. There's no
jeroen2 wrote:
> But there is also a "browse by work" option within the album listing,
> which I think is why it makes sense to tag larger albums with a "work"
> tag.
>
> I don't use it a lot, but here's an example from a large box set in
> Qobuz.
>
Is this using a custom browse menu you
But there is also a "browse by work" option within the album listing,
which I think is why it makes sense to tag larger albums with a "work"
tag.
I don't use it a lot, but here's an example from a large box set in
Qobuz.
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dolodobendan wrote:
> Right now I have to choose if it's a solo work or not. Depending on that
> choice RECORDING will be created. I don't think it would be very
> difficult to mash everything in one algorithm.
>
> The album tag is crucial. Take any "artist focused" disc, like Callas
> arias.
erland wrote:
> Can RECORDING always be created based on other tags using a predefined
> algorithm?
> Or are there cases where a human would need to manually phrase the value
> of RECORDING?
Right now I have to choose if it's a solo work or not. Depending on that
choice RECORDING will be
erland wrote:
> All solutions are optimized for different things. Custom Browse is
> optimized for static menu hierarchies which means that you need to spend
> significant time to think and configure it in advance and and get more
> menus at top level. Material is optimized for a more dynamic
Having thought a bit more about this I think there are two aspects, one
of which, with work, could be standard, the other would require the
equivalent of Custom Scan.
1. Build a totally flexible menu
Erland's Browse menus allow one to go from one tag to the next, which
could be the same tag
jeroen2 wrote:
>
> Essentially, and maybe my use case is indeed unique, I create genres
> that contain between 10 and 50 albums per genre. So that's a group of
> albums for me, like one shelve in a physical library. So I really don't
> want or need to select any other options anymore once I'm
erland wrote:
> Might be worth to check in the Material thread if the Material developer
> is interested to add an All Albums entry at the top after selecting a
> genre in standard genres menu. That way you more or less have the same
> possibilities as Custom Browse shallowgenres menu, you just
erland wrote:
> There is:
>
> - shallowgenres (Genre Albums) which provides a menu structure like
> //, typically used if you like genre browsing in
> a limited library and want to select album directly after selecting
> genre. I think LMS core forces you to select both an artist and genre
>
erland wrote:
> Might be worth to check in the Material thread if the Material developer
> is interested to add an All Albums entry at the top after selecting a
> genre in standard genres menu. That way you more or less have the same
> possibilities as Custom Browse shallowgenres menu, you just
mherger wrote:
>
>
> > Is there any control which order the libraries are refreshed after a
> > rescan ?
>
> There at least must have been a concept of priority at some point:
>
jeroen2 wrote:
>
> In principle I might be able to get rid of MultiLibrary once the updated
> Material Skin becomes available. 'See post here. '
> (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109624-Announce-Material-Skin=1004496=1#post1004496)
> But if that means loosing shallowgenre I will
PasTim wrote:
> You've got me there. I can't find "shallowgenre" anywhere in Custom
> Browse.
Maybe it's called "Genre Albums"...? I think it's one of the default
menu templates.
PasTim wrote:
> I have multiple genres on all my classical tracks.
I also use multiple genres on all classical
PasTim wrote:
> I believe using Album for Work is quite common. It avoids the need for
> extra tags for Work, Movement and WorkArtist. I wanted to preserve the
> concept of Album, since I quite often play all of an Album containing
> several multiple-track Works.
Wouldnt the Albums menu
PasTim wrote:
> You've got me there. I can't find "shallowgenre" anywhere in Custom
> Browse. I have multiple genres on all my classical tracks.
There is:
- shallowgenres (Genre Albums) which provides a menu structure like
//, typically used if you like genre browsing in
a limited library
erland wrote:
> Is album critical for browsing classical music or would it make sense to
> use ALBUM tag to represent the recording, so for a mixed composer/work
> release you would use multiple ALBUM tags ? Basically use ALBUM tag for
> the information previously mentioned in the thread as
jeroen2 wrote:
> Shallowgenres comes with Custom Browse (and I think is also implemented
> in MultiLibrary). See below for my menus.
> I have about 400 albums divided in 4 toplevel genres and 20 subgenres.
>
You've got me there. I can't find "shallowgenre" anywhere in Custom
Browse. I have
erland wrote:
> Would you be able to live with similar browsing features that you get
> with MinimServer and foobar2000 in case my plugins stops working ?
> Just asking to understand if we have a minimum feature set that could be
> the start of something new. Trying to solve it all is likely
PasTim wrote:
> Am I right in understanding that you have defined your own custom tag
> 'shallowgenre'?
Shallowgenres comes with Custom Browse (and I think is also implemented
in MultiLibrary)
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jeroen2 wrote:
> For me in classical music the actual CD the tracks came from is very
> relevant. I do tend to only play full albums (CDs) and never individual
> tracks, regardless of the genre. Although I can see how the new online
> music market is changing the way artists release their work,
erland wrote:
> Is album critical for browsing classical music or would it make sense to
> use ALBUM tag to represent the recording, so for a mixed composer/work
> release you would use multiple ALBUM tags ? Basically use ALBUM tag for
> the information previously mentioned in the thread as
One open question is if the library id in the database for a library
ever changes, for example after rescan or upgrade of LMS. It’s important
IDs should remain. Plugins can define their own. Virtual libraries
created using advanced search have something like advSrch_1421096676 -
where the
mherger wrote:
> I'm sorry, I was too busy the past few days to follow up with this
> lengthy discussion...
>
One open question is if the library id in the database for a library
ever changes, for example after rescan or upgrade of LMS. Its important
if anyone would be interested to use the
I'm sorry, I was too busy the past few days to follow up with this
lengthy discussion...
Could make sense to add support for creating a library defined as “not
in library=xxx” or “not in search”. I suspect that would be fairly easy
to add to LMS core and it can be quite useful if you want to
PasTim wrote:
>
> I also have to change Album Names to a consistent form so that I can
> skim through them "Composer - Work(s) - Work Artist(s)" (clearly that
> doesn't work for mixed composer albums, but it helps for others). That's
> one of the reasons why I keep the original SetId.
>
Is
dolodobendan wrote:
> I define RECORDING as [Soloist/s=ARTIST / ] Conductor=ARTIST if no
> Soloist / Orchestra=BAND[ (RECYEAR)]
>
> RECYEAR is not used in any menu. It's for building RECORDING, nothing
> else. RECORDING depends on the genre:
>
Can RECORDING always be created based on other
PasTim wrote:
>
> Looking at Library Views again I'm not sure I can find a way to find
> everything that isn't classical. The problem is that all Classical
> tracks also have other genres, so 'not Classical' returns everything.
>
Could make sense to add support for creating a library defined
PasTim wrote:
> There are additional tags for use with MinimServer so that it can at
> least recognise Works (as Groups), acting as a backup to LMS.
> foobar2000 can also make some sense of it all.
>
Would you be able to live with similar browsing features that you get
with MinimServer and
PasTim wrote:
> What we have for the moment works really, really well.
>
Is the custom tags you use understood and used by any other software
except for LMS ? Which one ?
Is there any integration with online sources in any tagging tools to set
the custom tags semi automatically or is it
PasTim wrote:
> Interesting. How do you define 'RECORDING'? I use 'WORK ARTIST' as
> conductor in symphonies, soloist in Concertos and Vocal works, and so
> on. I do have several recordings by the same Work Artist on the same
> Work, but I live with it. The track info includes the year (I
dolodobendan wrote:
> > > >
- Menus need one or better two additional levels (Menu example:
> Genre -> Composer -> Work -> Recording)
- At least two new tags are needed: WORK and RECORDING (or call it
> work artist, but good luck with trying that with the aforementioned
> 9th
erland wrote:
> agree on which features that are missing today.
- Menus need one or better two additional levels (Menu example: Genre
-> Composer -> Work -> Recording)
- At least two new tags are needed: WORK and RECORDING (or call it
work artist, but good luck with trying that with
erland wrote:
> Which custom tags scanned with Custom Scan plugins are used with your
> menus ? Is it just WORK and MOVEMENT ?
>
> Do you use all 22 menus or is there some you can live without ?
>
>
>
> Completely agree, thatÂs why I said that I think customizing Custom
> Browse SQL
PasTim wrote:
>
> I have 22 menu items on my classical menu, some of which are fairly
> straight copies of your suggested menus, and some of which could be
> derived from standard menus with library views, but many simply can't
> without my own SQL. See below for a list. Many of these go via
erland wrote:
> I think we need to clear up a few things to avoid confusion, there are
> probably two parts of this if you like to replace my
> MultiLibrary/CustomBrowse plugins:
>
> 1. To create the library contents (=fill the library_tracks table), can
> be done in at least three ways as
PasTim wrote:
> I'm looking whether I could, or should, try to move my SQL queries that
> use erland's multi-library to use virtualLibraries. I've looked at the
> 4 SQL tables, and reckon I understand them. I've also looked at the
> prefs. and found an ID for a library view I have created. I
I'm looking whether I could, or should, try to move my SQL queries that
use erland's multi-library to use virtualLibraries. I've looked at the
4 SQL tables, and reckon I understand them. I've also looked at the
prefs. and found an ID for a library view I have created. I also know
the name. So
I'm looking whether I could, or should, try to move my SQL queries that
use erland's multi-library to use virtualLibraries. I've looked at the
4 SQL tables, and reckon I understand them. I've also looked at the
prefs. and found an ID for a library view I have created. I also know
the name.
So the solution is to either
- Craft an advanced search query that returns all the special tracks
and none of the regular tracks and then save that as a library.
- Design an SQL query that similarly returns only the special tracks
and hack the virtual libraries pref file (Thank you dbm204
So the solution is to either
- Craft an advanced search query that returns all the special tracks
and none of the regular tracks and then save that as a library.
- Design an SQL query that similarly returns only the special tracks
and hack the virtual libraries pref file (Thank you
DJanGo wrote:
> I Think '(know)'
> (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103805-How-i-get-the-LibraryDemo-plugin-to-work=demo+plugin)
> the demo Plugin is very useful, but you need to know something about
> sql.
>
> You even could use the advanced search to build a virtual library as
>
Guut_Boy wrote:
> However, beyond the Demo plugin, which is not very useful, I cant figure
> out how to use this functionality.
I Think '(know)'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103805-How-i-get-the-LibraryDemo-plugin-to-work=demo+plugin)
the demo Plugin is very useful, but you
As Michael explained, using the advanced search is the easiest option.
But that assumes you have some criteria for the tracks that is supported
there. Perhaps these tracks have a separate genre. If not, read on.
I think this issue has come up a number of times. If all of your books,
podcasts,
mherger wrote:
> > I have been using LMS 7.8 for a long time now, but recently updated
> to
> > LMS 7.9. One of the 7.9 features I was really excited about is the
> > possibility of Virtual Libraries. However, beyond the Demo plugin,
> which
> > is not very useful, I cant figure out how to use
I have been using LMS 7.8 for a long time now, but recently updated to
LMS 7.9. One of the 7.9 features I was really excited about is the
possibility of Virtual Libraries. However, beyond the Demo plugin, which
is not very useful, I cant figure out how to use this functionality. Is
there some
I have been using LMS 7.8 for a long time now, but recently updated to
LMS 7.9. One of the 7.9 features I was really excited about is the
possibility of Virtual Libraries. However, beyond the Demo plugin, which
is not very useful, I cant figure out how to use this functionality. Is
there some
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