Sundar Narasimhan wrote:
a lot more benefits. I think an open "plugin-based" IDE like Eclipse
can do much, much more.. by actually embedding Emacs within the IDE as
a true component plugin, much like it allows the embedding of multiple
HTML/JSP editors, viewers or VCM tools etc.
Emacs is most
Real Men program with punch cards! Using an old rust knitting needle!?!
What is a VDU anyway???
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> I think an open
> "plugin-based" IDE like Eclipse can do much, much more.. by
> actually embedding Emacs within the IDE as a true component
> plugin,
> I think an open
> "plugin-based" IDE like Eclipse can do much, much more.. by
> actually embedding Emacs within the IDE as a true component
> plugin, much like it allows the embedding of multiple
> HTML/JSP editors, viewers or VCM tools etc.
Amen! I'm torn between the two and having the
>>:). In any case, OTI is an ex-Smalltalk IDE shop, so I presume there's
>>a strong NIH syndrome there similar to most other IDE's I've run
>>across --
>
>Then why is there an Emacs keybinding preference setting but none for vi?
>
>David
Huh? I can't quite understand what you are asking David. If y
> > actually the vimulator on jEdit is buggy.
>
> No, sorry for the confusion. I'm not using the vim emulator on jEdit,
> I'm using the standard vim on Linux (and then also jEdit on
> Linux when I
> have to get stuff done quickly and don't have the time to learn vim:)
Easy yank for Vim v0.99b1:
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 20:58, Rick Reumann wrote:
> Ginger:
> http://www.gilligansisle.com/ginger.html
>
> Mary Ann
> http://www.gilligansisle.com/mary.html
>
> (Sad that I actually looked this up on Google:)
Yeah...
The rest of us already had those pages bookmarked ;)
Dave
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On Tue, Mar 04,'03 (01:44 AM GMT-), Sean wrote:
> who are ginger and mary anne?
Ginger:
http://www.gilligansisle.com/ginger.html
Mary Ann
http://www.gilligansisle.com/mary.html
(Sad that I actually looked this up on Google:)
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Rick
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who are ginger and mary anne?
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> First off...I'
ammer.
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Wow, this argument is about as winnable as a 'Ginger or Mary Anne'
discussion
an
:). In any case, OTI is an ex-Smalltalk IDE shop, so I presume there's
a strong NIH syndrome there similar to most other IDE's I've run
across --
Then why is there an Emacs keybinding preference setting but none for vi?
David
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Add p
>>In summary, I like my hybrid approach. And I am trying to convince =
>>Eclipse
>>guys to have / create a true Emacs plugin .. although I don't see any =
>>takers
>>yet.
> wonder why.
I don't see any smileys, so I'll presume you are asking this
seriously.
I did submit a bug report/enhancem
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> Wow, this argument is about as winnable as a 'Ginger or Mary Anne'
> discussion
> and not nearly as interesting. Although the diatribes about
> productivit
wonder why.
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In summary, I like my hybrid approach. And I am trying to convince Eclipse
guys to have / create a true Emacs plugin .. although I don't see any takers
yet.
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I didn't want to get into this -- since editors are religion :) but
personally I use editors for editing code (although I must admit that
Eclipse's ctrl-space/and factoring helpers are beginning to win me
over :), and IDE's for debugging. (in multi-threaded apps, there's no
comparison -- I can be
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Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking?
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Nah - right next to my VB-3 cert!
Mark
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Do you hang that next to your WordPerfect
GINGER! And she can whip me with bamboo anytime!
Mark
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Wow, this argument is about as winnable as a 'Ginger or Mary Anne'
discussion
and not nearly as interesting. Although the diatribes a
s Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking?
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Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking?
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Do you hang that next to your WordPerfect certification?
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No. I very specifically said that the better programmers CAN use text
editors and command-line tools. This does not mean that they have to,
only
that they COUL
Well, you are full of shyte. Okay?
Mark (been a master carpenter and Java certified)
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No. I very specifically said that the better programmers CAN use text
editors and command-line tools. This does not mean that they have to, only
that the
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> i agree with simon to a certain degree. personally, i got a lot better
> understanding of programmin
I believe Eclipse 2.1 (due out this month) supports user defined key
bindings.
David
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:58:11 -0600
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> I now use the Eclipse
> IDE for alot of my personal programming because it is like a text
> editor that wants to be helpful.
What I don't like about many of the IDEs (including my favorites
Intellij and Eclipse)
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No. I very specifically said that the better programmers CAN use text
editors and command-line tools. This does not mean that they have to,
only that they COULD use them if they ch
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>You guys are soo easy!
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>Mark, the Master Bat
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> Actually, my prima
You guys are soo easy!
Mark, the Master Bater
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I have no intention of arguing
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>There have also been studies that show perl programmers are
>generally better
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>I think your confusing personal perference with programming skill.
>Thats like saying that Ted drink Sprite when most of
ntil then, it's that good.
$0.02...
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Actually, my primary point was text editor usage
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Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ..
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IDE is what we usually called productivity tool, text editor is not.
There is nothing to do with a developer's skill.
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IDE is what we usually called productivity tool, text editor is not.
There is nothing to do with a developer's skill.
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Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that'
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Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I d
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Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text
editors. (vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I
gh that, to me, it is
a truism.
Simon
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>> >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unles
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Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... th
e, it is a truism.
Simon
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>> >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are
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> > >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
> > >weenie with a
> > >masochistic bent. And any non-dot-comple
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> Oh, quit yer whining
>
> http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/hack/realmen.html
And don't forget... My mom can beat up your mom:)
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Oh, quit yer whining
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/hack/realmen.html
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are
much more important than autocomplete (although it is a nice feature to
have).
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> On
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:56:45 -0500
"Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And any non-dot-completion editor refines
> your sense of the API because it forces you to RTFM.
Ok, I see the whole vi/emacs/IDE wars starting up:) Sure in the
beginning a newbie should learn to use a basic text edit
>
>VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
>weenie with a
>masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion editor refines
>your sense of
>the API because it forces you to RTFM.
>
>Mark
I use an ide and am referencing javadoc all the time anyways. I don't see
any correlation betw
More of an anti-hero. ;-)
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>Admit it, Simon. I'm your hero.
>
>
Admit it, Simon. I'm your hero.
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I have to agree with Mark here, even though I hate to encourage him! :-
but rather because they can!
Simon
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>VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless
hear hear mark.
ps: could you fix the vimulator for jEdit please? ;)
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VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMA
, 2003 2:39 PM
Try this:
http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=386
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> On Mon, 3
Try this:
http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=386
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> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:21:02 -0500
"Pani, Gourav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> actually the vimulator on jEdit is buggy.
No, sorry for the confusion. I'm not using the vim emulator on jEdit,
I'm using the standard vim on Linux (and then also jEdit on Linux when I
have to get stuff done quickly a
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"James Childers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But once the initial effort is made it is a hu
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:21:23 -0600
"James Childers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But once the initial effort is made it is a huge
> timesaver. You just have to decide to learn it and stick with that
> decision.
I'm forcing myself to use vim more (although I still use jEdit with some
plugins to do
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