Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-04-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Jay Garcia wrote: On 07.04.2010 11:32, Bill Davidsen wrote: --- Original Message --- I have put a few examples up at http://www/~davidsen/Private/HTMLmail/ Care to try again, that link is invalid. Wow, something in the posting process stripped the domain! WTH??

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-04-07 Thread Ray_Net
David E. Ross wrote: Some think that images in HTML-formatted E-mail messages are somehow embedded within the source of the message, that they are in-line. Instead, images are generally binary files that traverse the Internet as distinct packets not embedded in the source. At least that's how

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-04-07 Thread Bill Davidsen
Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Some think that images in HTML-formatted E-mail messages are somehow embedded within the source of the message, that they are in-line. Instead, images are generally binary files that traverse the Internet as distinct packets not embedded in the source. At

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-04-07 Thread Jay Garcia
On 07.04.2010 11:32, Bill Davidsen wrote: --- Original Message --- I have put a few examples up at http://www/~davidsen/Private/HTMLmail/ Care to try again, that link is invalid. -- Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion www.ufaq.org Netscape - Flock - Firefox - Thunderbird - Seamonkey

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-04-05 Thread David E. Ross
On 4/5/10 8:24 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: David E. Ross wrote: You might think that images in an HTML-formatted message traverse the Internet embedded within the message. Actually, images travel separately, as attachments. Similarly, there is a separate transfer of a file for each image in

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-31 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Daniel wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: Many moon's ago, I heard that Dreamweaver produced poor HTML, too, so is there a menu item for Fix Dreamweaver HTML?? Do extraneou's apo'strophe's in'serted into plural's count a's bloat? Now! Now! One apostrophe (extraneous or not)

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-31 Thread Phillip Jones
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Daniel wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: Many moon's ago, I heard that Dreamweaver produced poor HTML, too, so is there a menu item for Fix Dreamweaver HTML?? Do extraneou's apo'strophe's in'serted into plural's count a's bloat? Now! Now! One

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-31 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: http://tekrider.net/general/checker.php#grocer ;-) I noticed you left out an item in your list on the site referring to Soul| Sole you have listed Sole is a Flatfish) there is also the *sole* of your shoe(s) as well. You are the soul

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-31 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-03-31 11:22 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: http://tekrider.net/general/checker.php#grocer ;-) I noticed you left out an item in your list on the site referring to Soul| Sole you have listed Sole is a Flatfish) there is also the

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-30 Thread Daniel
Phillip Jones wrote: Terry R. wrote: On 3/28/2010 6:17 PM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: snip and I believe he overstated the numbers quite a bit. Maybe if the email was sent as PT HTML using

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-30 Thread Phillip Jones
Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Terry R. wrote: On 3/28/2010 6:17 PM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: snip and I believe he overstated the numbers quite a bit. Maybe if the email was sent

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-30 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Daniel wrote: Many moon's ago, I heard that Dreamweaver produced poor HTML, too, so is there a menu item for Fix Dreamweaver HTML?? Do extraneou's apo'strophe's in'serted into plural's count a's bloat? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-29 Thread Terry R.
On 3/28/2010 6:17 PM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-29 Thread Bill Davidsen
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/28/10 5:17 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-29 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/29/10 10:37 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 3/28/10 5:17 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-29 Thread Phillip Jones
Terry R. wrote: On 3/28/2010 6:17 PM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-28 Thread Terry R.
On 3/27/2010 10:31 PM On a whim, David E. Ross pounded out on the keyboard On 3/27/10 4:05 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote [in part]: Daniel wrote [also in part]: And Bill if I limit my downloaded messages to only those of 1kByte or less, that still doesn't stop your 1MByte message arriving on my

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-28 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/28/10 6:50 AM, Terry R. wrote: On 3/27/2010 10:31 PM On a whim, David E. Ross pounded out on the keyboard On 3/27/10 4:05 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote [in part]: Daniel wrote [also in part]: And Bill if I limit my downloaded messages to only those of 1kByte or less, that still doesn't stop

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-28 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And zero errors. You might be able to do that, Terry, (and so could I) but most HTML email clients sure

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-28 Thread Terry R.
On 3/28/2010 9:49 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And zero errors. You

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-28 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/28/10 5:17 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: I can compose an HTML document (and of course depending on how extreme the formatting is), and the size won't be much more than 10%-20% of it's plain text counterpart. And

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-27 Thread Bill Davidsen
Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you understand, USENET is not the prime thrust any more, and

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-27 Thread Bill Davidsen
JeffM wrote: MCBastos wrote: Bold or italics to make meaning clear, As Ross mentions in his page, too often people think tricks are a substitue for clearly-written prose. links with the URL and display text separate for clarity. People who still click links in email deserve what they get.

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-27 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/27/10 4:05 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote [in part]: Daniel wrote [also in part]: And Bill if I limit my downloaded messages to only those of 1kByte or less, that still doesn't stop your 1MByte message arriving on my ISP's server for my mail account, so costing me extra because you've

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-26 Thread Daniel
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-26 Thread Phillip Jones
Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-26 Thread Daniel
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-25 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/24/10 7:55 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 22/3/2010 03:35, David E. Ross told the world: On 3/20/10 7:09 AM, John Klein wrote: I am a copywriter with no Internet technology backround, and I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-25 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
David E. Ross wrote: I'm not using a Mozilla-based E-mail client. I use Thunderbird only as a news reader. Isn't that backwards? g -- -bts -Could. Not. Resist. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-25 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/25/10 5:57 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: I'm not using a Mozilla-based E-mail client. I use Thunderbird only as a news reader. Isn't that backwards? g No. My ancient Eudora Lite 3.0.6 still has features that I don't find in Thunderbird. -- David E.

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-25 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Leonidas Jones wrote: I think Beau's reference was to the fact that if you are going to use a standalone newsreader, it might make more sense to use one designed for the purpose. You are right, Lee! g I dabbled with Xnews a bit on Windows, and it seemed to work pretty well. I really like

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-24 Thread Daniel
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you understand, USENET is not the prime

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-24 Thread Phillip Jones
Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you understand, USENET is

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-24 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 22/3/2010 03:35, David E. Ross told the world: On 3/20/10 7:09 AM, John Klein wrote: I am a copywriter with no Internet technology backround, and I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. Their instructions say

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-23 Thread Daniel
Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you understand, USENET is not the prime thrust any more, and not everyone

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-23 Thread Phillip Jones
Daniel wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you understand, USENET is not the prime thrust any more, and

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-23 Thread JeffM
JeffM wrote: People who still click links in email deserve what they get. (Phished.) Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Not so fast. Not all links are bad, and there are good practices that help you avoid that. ...like not clicking on the links. If you are going to follow a link in email, cut it and paste

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-22 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/20/10 7:09 AM, John Klein wrote: I am a copywriter with no Internet technology backround, and I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. Their instructions say that the email message must be in pure HTML code, no style sheets or

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-22 Thread Bill Davidsen
JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Don't you understand, USENET is not the prime thrust any more, and not everyone sticks with the more

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-22 Thread Bill Davidsen
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: For me I get more plaintext-Spam than I do HTML Spam. I find HTM far easier to read. less tiring on my eyes. I wouldn't know. I don't read spam. I don't usually, sometimes I do glance at it to see if spam or legit.

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-22 Thread JeffM
MCBastos wrote: Bold or italics to make meaning clear, As Ross mentions in his page, too often people think tricks are a substitue for clearly-written prose. links with the URL and display text separate for clarity. People who still click links in email deserve what they get. (Phished.) Bill

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-22 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/22/10 9:04 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: That's true of web pages as well, perhaps more so, people add flash, javascript, and all manner of other things. Bold or italics to make meaning clear, links with the URL and display text separate for clarity. No amount of Flash, strange fonts, or

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-22 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
JeffM wrote: People who still click links in email deserve what they get. (Phished.) Not so fast. Not all links are bad, and there are good practices that help you avoid that. For example, if a colleague at ABC Corp, whom you already know and trust, invites you to visit

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Email is a plain text medium. HTML is for Web pages. 1) Create the HTML page. 2) Upload the page to a

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread JeffM
Paul wrote: I NEVER use html in email though and consider it a security risk. So far we've covered incompatibility / rendering problems and embedded exploits.

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Phillip Jones
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Email is a plain text medium. HTML is for Web pages. 1) Create the HTML page. 2)

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Email is a plain text medium. HTML is for Web pages. 1)

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: For me I get more plaintext-Spam than I do HTML Spam. I find HTM far easier to read. less tiring on my eyes. I wouldn't know. I don't read spam. lol Neither do I; it's always so obvious

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Phillip Jones
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Email is a plain text medium.

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Phillip Jones
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: For me I get more plaintext-Spam than I do HTML Spam. I find HTM far easier to read. less tiring on my eyes. I wouldn't know. I don't read spam. lol Neither do I; it's always so

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-21 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I wouldn't know. I don't read spam. I don't usually, sometimes I do glance at it to see if spam or legit. sometimes the titles can be deceiving. Don't forget that a lot of HTML spam contains webbugs, so if you are connected when you opened it,

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-20 Thread JeffM
John Klein wrote: I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. First, tell them that is the stupid way to do things. Email is a plain text medium. HTML is for Web pages. 1) Create the HTML page. 2) Upload the page to a server. 3) Email only

Re: Creating HTML email messages

2010-03-20 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 20/3/2010 12:09, John Klein told the world: I am a copywriter with no Internet technology backround, and I need a way to create several HTML email messages for transmission by 3rd party email list owners. Their instructions say that the email message must be in pure HTML