Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:40:19 +, Fons Adriaensen a écrit : > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24:45AM -0500, Marc Lavallée wrote: > > > My comprehension of Ambisonics is that the listener's head (in the > > "sweetest spot") is exposed to one coherent approximation of a > > reproduced (or synthesized)

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24:45AM -0500, Marc Lavallée wrote: > My comprehension of Ambisonics is that the listener's head (in the > "sweetest spot") is exposed to one coherent approximation of a > reproduced (or synthesized) sound field, not to a set of directional > waves coming from the speake

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 21/12/2013 16:24, Marc Lavallée wrote: My comprehension of Ambisonics is that the listener's head (in the "sweetest spot") is exposed to one coherent approximation of a reproduced (or synthesized) sound field, not to a set of directional waves coming from the speakers (one directional wave p

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 21/12/2013 13:28, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Phone From: Marc Lavallée Sent: 21-12-2013 21:54 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:02:26 -0800, Aaron Heller a écrit : > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM, David Worrall > wrote: > > > I remembe

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:02:26 -0800, Aaron Heller a écrit : > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM, David Worrall > wrote: > > > I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing > > "hardware" can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given > > a bit of time. > > Does anyone have a

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

dw wrote: On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (ass

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Just for clarification. (Nobody corrected this.) The Ambisonic scientologists don't want to play? "In 1901, Allen Upward coined /Scientology/ "as a disparaging term, to indicate a blind, unthinking accep

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRT

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 12/21/2013 04:40 AM, David Worrall wrote: I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing "hardware" can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this? purely anecdotal, but i was surprised (and just a little bit s

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). Etienne HRTF

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 21/12/2013 03:40, David Worrall wrote: I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing "hardware" can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this? http://128.102.119.100/publications/wenzel_1993_Localization_Head_

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM, David Worrall wrote: > I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing > "hardware" can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of > time. > Does anyone have a reference for this? > > I don't know about 'non-optimal', but we can l

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing "hardware" can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this? David On 15/12/2013, at 5:57 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote: > > Hi Dave. > > I never tried head tracking while lis

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Hi Dave. I never tried head tracking while listening to stereo or Ambisonics (I'm not that much of an "insider"). I'm optimistic about it, even with virtual microphones; but I suspect that the contribution of head tracking would then be limited to the interpretation of level differences and trans

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Hi Marc, I think it is, perhaps, a little pessimistic to talk of needing to assess dozens of hrtf's to find the one that's right for for you, if you have head tracking in use. My experience with this dates back 20 years to the days of the Lake DSP Huron systems when I first heard this - even withou

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Marc Lavallée wrote: Because the decoder in the phone, for a few unlucky people, might not work as well as their home decoder. I don't think I am so confused as I am sometimes read: The home decoder makes obviously a lot of sense if you want to listen to surround/Ambisonics at home. (The

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Hi Stefan. Stefan Schreiber a écrit : > For "us" means in this context: A club of enthusiasts and some > academics. That "us", in the context of mass distribution, statistically means a lot of people unable to enjoy Ambisonics using generic HRTFs; there's also a whole lot of "them" who will ref

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of dw [d...@dwareing.plus.com] Sent: 12 December 2013 23:02 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related On 12/12/2013 12:44, umashankar manthravadi wrote: two years ago, I acquired a

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

...@dwareing.plus.com] Sent: 12 December 2013 23:02 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related On 12/12/2013 12:44, umashankar manthravadi wrote: > two years ago, I acquired a motor cycle helmet with the intention of mounting > eight headphones to lis

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 12/12/2013 12:44, umashankar manthravadi wrote: two years ago, I acquired a motor cycle helmet with the intention of mounting eight headphones to listen to ambisonics without hrtf. i was going to use it with a 20 dollar dolby 7.1 usb device. It was not one of your better plans.. :-)

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Hector Centeno wrote: Hello all, I just wanted to share with this list information about two Android apps I've been working on and that I will release soon. I made them because I thought it would be great to be able to listen to ambisonic recordings in a portable way without the need of a full

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 12/12/2013 03:26 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Paul Hodges wrote: --On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber wrote: You won't need any "base station" for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? GPS, relative GPS? i doubt i

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

etienne deleflie wrote: The first part is overdue (and many thanks to Hector!), the second part is a nice demonstration. But from a CE perspective, I highly doubt that "normal" consumers would "glue" (in my terms) their smartphone to their head. of course not ... but the point is that the

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 12/12/2013 03:26 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Paul Hodges wrote: --On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber wrote: You won't need any "base station" for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? GPS, relative GPS? i doubt it would be precise enough. the

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). Etienne HRTF decoding is th

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

racking without drift.[15][22]" Just to answer some questions from before... (I have posted about this way before.) Best, Stefan Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:40:03 -0500 From: m...@hacklava.net To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). Etienne HRTF decoding is the problem h

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Paul Hodges wrote: --On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber wrote: You won't need any "base station" for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? GPS, relative GPS? Do you add a compass (and have a command to set the direction of front), or do yo

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

have to be on top of the head. it can be in a small bag handing at the back of the head, or even one side. it merely needs to move with the head. umashankar > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:40:03 -0500 > From: m...@hacklava.net > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upco

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie a écrit : > ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to > masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality > spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). > > Etienne HRTF decoding is the problem here. Finding a proper HR

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

> The first part is overdue (and many thanks to Hector!), the second part is a > nice demonstration. But from a CE perspective, I highly doubt that "normal" > consumers would "glue" (in my terms) their smartphone to their head. of course not ... but the point is that the demonstration is accessibl

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

--On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber wrote: > You won't need any "base station" for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? Do you add a compass (and have a command to set the direction of front), or do you allow the front to drift back into place when there i

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etienne deleflie wrote: finally! congratulations on being the first to get this out. I've been waiting for exactly that combination of technology ... using a phone's built-in gyro to do head-tracking and offer binaural decodes of ambisonic material on something we all carry around ... smart

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

finally! congratulations on being the first to get this out. I've been waiting for exactly that combination of technology ... using a phone's built-in gyro to do head-tracking and offer binaural decodes of ambisonic material on something we all carry around ... smart phones. If this combinati

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:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Hector > Centeno > Sent: den 10 december 2013 16:25 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related > > Hello all, > > I just wanted to share with this list information about two Android ap

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Hector: What an incredible demonstration video! Isn't that John Leonard's wonderful recording of the Orfeo string quartet doing Beethoven? Third movement. If I recall correctly it was done with a TetraMic and a Metric Halo ULN-8. I can't wait to try your apps! Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-s

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as a vst with control of directions via parameters. - Bo-Erik Sandholm Stockholm -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Hector Centeno Sent: den 10 december 2013 16:25 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps

[Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

Hello all, I just wanted to share with this list information about two Android apps I've been working on and that I will release soon. I made them because I thought it would be great to be able to listen to ambisonic recordings in a portable way without the need of a full size computer. The first