people do not have big enough yards to grow all of
>their food and they also have a short growing season so therefore they have
>to buy their food from farm markets or retail stores.
>
>Terry Dyck
>
> >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: biofue
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>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:25:24 +0900
>
>Hi Terry
>
> >Hi Keith,
> >
> >I believe in the 100 mile diet (mostly locally grown food) and organic
ed food market. It's not
just a difference of scale.
Best
Keith
>Terry Dyck
>
>
>>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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enforce safety
standards for consumers who want to buy real organically grown food.
Terry Dyck
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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D
Maybe that's why the dumpster behind the organic food store here is always
so full -- I know of at least 3 local co-ops that get most of their
vegetables from this dumpster. My entire breakfast today was almost
entirely from there (the eggs in the french toast indirectly -- my friends
feed their
ust a
myth, like the myth that livestock are a global warming culprit and
the myth that veganism is the only sustainable option, or that it's a
sustainable option at all.
Best
Keith
>>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>We ran 3000 acres. A small operation. My stepdads brother ran
iotics.
Terry Dyck
>From: Kirk McLoren
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST)
>
>We ran 3000 acres. A sm
plus many other
conditions such as no drugs or antibiotics.
Terry Dyck
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:
d hog farms. There are lots
of scientific studies done on this.
Terry Dyck
>From: Kirk McLoren
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:36:39 -0800 (
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:50:06 +0900
>Hi Kirk,
>
>Even the so called grass fed cows spend their last days on special
>feed lots to fatten them up. When I was
run off from factory cattle and hog farms.
>There are lots of scientific studies done on this.
>
>Terry Dyck
>
>
>>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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There are so many assumptions made in these "analysis" I fail to get
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>To:
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:01:32 -0500
>
>Terry,
> Unable to find the information you referred to at Grist Magazine's web
>site, I went to the U
Tom
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Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 4:28 PM
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Hi Tom,
I read the informat
: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:53:48 -0500
>
>Seems to me that humans are doing a pretty good job of eliminating
>humans, by means direct and indirect.
>
>Getting back to Al Gore and the movie, "An Inconvenien
Nice post Darryl;
I agree with you on all points. I'm sure Gore's excesses are not out of
line with others in his social circles but all of these elite people
combined draw a drop of the bucket compared to the masses and businesses
of the world. This does not give them license of course, and
Seems to me that humans are doing a pretty good job of eliminating
humans, by means direct and indirect.
Getting back to Al Gore and the movie, "An Inconvenient Truth".
I think Mr. Gore deserves whatever applause he is getting. Coming from
his community (professional politician, wealth), it to
On 3/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Wendell
> By the way, I seem to recall that termites are the source
>of 20 percent of the world's methane. I am no entomologist --is
>there any known benefit to man or beast from termites?
>If not, let's get 'em!
I think alot b
Tom
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> Hi Keith,
>
> Becau
: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 04:13:55 CST
> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>
> >Hi Terry
> >
> >Thanks for finding the ref.
> >
> >>Hi Ke
uote was, Methane produced by waste on cattle and hog
>> > > >farms is as hard on the atmospher as 33 million cars. 18% of total
>> > > >global emissions.
>> > >
>> > >But 33 million cars is only about 15% of the number of vehicles in
>> &
]>
>Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 04:13:55 CST
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Hi Terry
>
>Thanks for finding the ref.
>
>>Hi Keith,
>>
>>You asked for a link to the the UCS quot
heading to get all of the
information. There could still be a discussion going on about this topic on
their site.
Terry Dyck
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To:
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GHG. They also mentioned that livestock produces 9% for CO2 and 37%
> methane
> and 65% nitrous oxide. Those are world totals.
>
> Terry Dyck
>
>
>>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: biofuel@sustainable
eith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 02:54:06 +0900
Hi Terry
>Hi Keith,
>
>I'm not sure how the math works out
ncy needed. Al Gore met both of
these points.
Terry Dyck
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>
perhaps, but not as a farming system.
Thanks - regards
Keith
>Terry Dyck
>
> >From: Keith Addison
> >Reply-To: biofuel at sustainablelists.org
> >To: biofuel at sustainablelists.org
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Po
e 100 mile diet is
important too.
Terry Dyck
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:13:55 +0900
Hi Terry
l emissions from CAFOs
doesn't sound unreasonable, but the cars bit can't be right, seems to
me.
Thanks Terry.
Best
Keith
>Terry Dyck
>
>
>>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: biofuel@sustainablelist
.
Terry Dyck
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900
Hello Terry
>Hi Kirk,
>
>If all of
Layton, bikes to work and has solar power and
> >heating in his home and does other green things but this is not known by
> >very many people. On the other hand the Prime Minister of Canada gets lots
> >of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.
>
You're flailing about Randall, it's getting quite funny, if only it weren't so downright tedious.
Actually, I think the TCPR does believe their message--that doesn't make the
message correct...but that also doesn't make some of their facts incorrect,
either.
But, if that is important that TCPR
gt;very many people. On the other hand the Prime Minister of Canada gets lots
>of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.
>
>Terry Dyck
>
>
> >From: Kirk McLoren
> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >To: biofuel
> >Subj
tro fitting that old building to be more
energy efficient, so that you can over look this materialistic possession to
see the good the concert will bring.
Terry Dyck
>From: "Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel
On 2/28/07, Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Then you would care to share your results? But, my guess (yes, a guess,
not
a calculation) would be that someone staying local to their home and
either
seeing a FREE screening of the movie, or seeing it on television would
result in lower GHG emi
Hello Keith,
>
> Indeed it is, but the subject under discussion is about global
> warming, not about general pollution, and I think I agree with
> Michael Klare about how relevant general pollution issues are to
> dealing with global warming (not very relevant). It's about energy,
> not pollution.
Well said Chip!
I haven't seen it, but I was wondering when someone would say the
movie is a soft sell. It would have to be, wouldn't it?
As for whether actions speak louder than words, another case in point
is the speech that put environmental issues on the map and on
everybody's lips almost
Hello Randall
>Hello Keith,
>
> > How do you equate GHGs to "overall pollution"?
>
>I equate GHG's to overall pollution in this instance because Mr. Gore
>positions himself as an environmental advocate. Granted, most recently, Mr.
>Gore has spoken almost entirely about Global Warming. I see no r
Chip,
>
>> But, I suppose the important and "inconvenient truth" in this matter is
>> that
>> Al is a politician--period. Actions speak MUCH MUCH louder than words..
>
> Nonsense, they most certainly do not.
>
Then we can all rest easy...Big Business is going to help...and they "care"
"...At E
Hello Keith,
>
> How do you equate GHGs to "overall pollution"?
>
I equate GHG's to overall pollution in this instance because Mr. Gore
positions himself as an environmental advocate. Granted, most recently, Mr.
Gore has spoken almost entirely about Global Warming. I see no reason to
limit t
rg
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:24 AM
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I would like to personally thank all of you in helping to cure my ignorance.
Fro
"It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?">>Like everybody else, YOU are the spokesperson for the Earth, not some>other guy appointed by "them".>>Best>>Keith>>>> >From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >
o, to bring their footprint down to zero.
Let's wait and see how this plays out. It should be a good measure of
democracy in action in the USA today. What wins, facts or thuggery?
Best
Keith
>regards
>tallex
>
> > ---Original Message---
> > From: Keith Addiso
Kirk McLoren wrote:
> If he used the power in his business ok but
> natural gas lanterns in his yard
> Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch.
> So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses
> for the rest of us..
> Forget weak flesh - ho
Randall wrote:
> Terry,
>BIG SNIP
> But, I suppose the important and "inconvenient truth" in this matter is that
> Al is a politician--period. Actions speak MUCH MUCH louder than words..
Nonsense, they most certainly do not.
End of the day, there are hundreds of thousands of folks walking the
the planet,
regards
tallex
> ---Original Message---
> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
> Sent: 28 Feb '07 07:26
>
> :-)
>
> Spin sure works well huh? See ho
OK, one more hypocrite in a nation full of them. When I read someone
harping about an electric gate, I have to think how much more of the
article contains other silly concerns.
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y many people. On the other hand the Prime Minister of Canada gets lots
>of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.
>
>Terry Dyck
>
>
> >From: Kirk McLoren
> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >To: biofuel
> >Subject: [Bio
"
Like everybody else, YOU are the spokesperson for the Earth, not some
other guy appointed by "them".
Best
Keith
>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al
il's work because ultrarightwing
Christian fundamentalists will relate better.
I think your US party political views are leaking. Much more
important than the global warming crisis is which wing of the US
Business Party people should vote for, I guess.
Well done AEI! LOL!
Best
Keith
&
me a major
bio-hazard.
No need for it anyway. The future is small, sustainable, family-run
mixed farms with integrated crop and livestock production, low input,
high output, local markets.
Best
Keith
>Terry Dyck
>
>>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To:
Canada gets lots
of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.
Terry Dyck
>From: Kirk McLoren
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel
>Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>Date: Tue, 27 F
If he used the power in his business ok but
natural gas lanterns in his yard
Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch.
So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses for
the rest of us..
Forget weak flesh - how about belief.
He doesnt beli
Everyone seems to have missed that, based on the numbers given, Al
Gore has reduced his power usage by 12% from 2005 to 2006 and has
plans for more reductions. Isn't that what it's all about?
The fact that his bill has gone up is probably a function of the
increased price of energy, not incr
ult.I
rank him up there with Jerry Falwell and any number of failed politicos.
---Randall
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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:00 PM
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Fred Oliff wrote:
> actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can
> be
> called is a hypocrite.
Then you might want to do a bit of reading.
The knee jerk reaction is to recommend Jeremy Lott's
"In Defense of Hypocrisy" but that's a cheap shot.
There's a paper out
o cut down on material things
just like the rest of us.
Terry Dyck
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>
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> Al Gore&
Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST)
The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.
So how true is it - at least to him.
If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont.
So of all people to squander
actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be called is a hypocrite. if Al Gore's squanders energy perhaps they ought to find someone esle to be the spokesperson for the Earth.
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ich is the most important thing now. Time is important because
2007 could be the pivitol year to save this planet.
Terry Dyck
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Tom,
I like your answer better.
From: "Tom Irwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power UseDate: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:40:38 +
Hi Kirk and all,
When the message cannot be attacked th
ity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.
Terry Dyck
From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: biofuel
Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST
Al Gore flew from Montreal to Toronto last week. I would have thought a true advocate for climate change could have found someone with 1)maybe a Smart car to drive him, 2)powered with biodiesel or some other renewable fuel. David Suzuki is on a 50-city cross Canada tour and I understand he is al
Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
> Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut back,
> he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…
> http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id
eloped world. It´s the message that´s inportant,
not the man.
Tom Irwin
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From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Kirk and all,
When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world. It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man.
Tom Irwin
From: Kirk McLore
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Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut back, he
uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5072659
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