Propane is also used, but metanol would be more controlable and less
volitale.
>From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol recovery;
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:52:11 -0500
&
Hey Tom et al;
I think I might have a new solution for our woes re. re-use of
methanol. Rather than trying to dry it for re-use in making BD we might
be able to just use it for fuel. This local dude who is way into
performance diesels comes into my place last night to talk about BD
productio
>Keith!
>
>You live on a mountain in Japan?
Indeed I do Joe, at least Weaver got something right, LOL!
>How are you coping with all the snow
>dude? Last I heard 4m fell.
7m in some places. It's killed about a hundred people in Japan so
far. Not so bad here though, much worse in the north.
>Be
CTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
>
>
> > >HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
> > >
> > >HI MIKE!
> > >
> > >I first began using methanol just on the weeke
Keith!
You live on a mountain in Japan? How are you coping with all the snow
dude? Last I heard 4m fell. Be vewwwy qwiet while you tiptoe around
ok? It wouldn't do to have a few megatons of snow come and wipe you off
the mountain!
J
>
>
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
> >HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
> >
> >HI MIKE!
> >
> >I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of
> >dry
Mike Weaver wrote:
>HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
>
>
Thanks, I needed a good grin!
doug swanson
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From: "Bioclaire Nederland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !!
> ***
> No vir
Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man wrote.
How can you keep your patients ?
Greetings,
Pieter.
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From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol R
>HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
>
>HI MIKE!
>
>I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of dry
>gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my
>fuel usage. Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little
>bottles and I beg
Addison
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:04 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
Hi Theo
Big-time, huh? :-)
>Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to
>make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do
Hi Theo
Big-time, huh? :-)
>Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to
>make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do
>any methanol recovery however at the larger scale it makes a lot of
>finical sense to get back the methanol. I have had a lot of
Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to make
about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do any methanol
recovery however at the larger scale it makes a lot of finical sense to get
back the methanol. I have had a lot of trouble finding somewhat lar
Thankyou Ken, succinctly put, as ever.
Best
Keith
>On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Ken Dunn wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm still a bit confused.
> >
> > What is the trick to evaporating the methanol
> > without reversing the process?
>
>
>Very simple -- you can't boil off methanol when both
>biodiesel an
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From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock?
>
> On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Ken Dunn wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm still a bit confused
On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Ken Dunn wrote:
>
>
> I'm still a bit confused.
>
> What is the trick to evaporating the methanol
> without reversing the process?
Very simple -- you can't boil off methanol when both
biodiesel and glycerine are present without shifting
the equilibrium backwards to
Hey Keith,
I'm still a bit confused.
On 11/5/05, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most convenient would be to
> reclaim it all at once right at the end of the process before
> removing the by-product while it's still hot and near the boiling
> point of methanol, but that throws the rea
>I have pondering this for some time but figured I should get some
>success with making fuel first.
>
>Since alcohol is added from time to time to storage tanks so it will
>mix with the water and thus the blended alcohol water mixes with the
>fuel.
>
>This being the said, I wondered if the wash
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:55 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock?
do youu guyss knolw hte bioling point of methanol is 149 f. and i dont know
what the boilling point of diesel is but itw way below the boiling point of
water a
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:32 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock?
Hi Derick,
I too am curios about this, but isnt 275 deg F on the
what the boilling point of diesel is but itw way below the boiling point of
water at 212,, buck
>From: JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock?
>Date: Fri,
Hi Derick,
I too am curios about this, but isnt 275 deg F on the edge of the
envelope Bio? I would like to try this as well but instead use a vacume
to keep the temp down. how much ethanol did you recover? That alone may
make it worth while.
Jim
Derick Giorchino wrote:
> I have pondering th
I have pondering this for some time but figured I should get
some success with making fuel first.
Since alcohol is added from time to time to storage tanks so
it will mix with the water and thus the blended alcohol water mixes with the
fuel.
This being the said, I wondered if the wash co
I've been preparing my processing system, done a little in the way of
test batches, (1 litre), and lurking on this fine list, absorbing
information, and reading a lot on the biodiesel pages.
I guess I've got a decent grip on the process and the chemistry
involved, but I've had a question th
test batches, (1 litre), and lurking on this fine list, absorbing
information, and reading a lot on the biodiesel pages.
I guess I've got a decent grip on the process and the chemistry
involved, but I've had a question that I've not found the answer to yet.
If I'm using 20% by volume of met
Reverse osmosis could remove the methanol from the glycerine. You
just need to find a membrane with a housing that is resistant to
methanol.
Andy
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:16:24 +1100, Andrew Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ken Provost wrote:
> > on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECT
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G'day;
I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am
still left with a question.
Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat
sufficiently to get the methanol to evaporate
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> G'day;
> I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am
> still left with a question.
> Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat
> sufficiently to get the methanol to eva
I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am
still left with a question.
Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat
sufficiently to get the methanol to evaporate (148.5F/65C) not necessarily
boiling ?
Luc
_
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Quality testing
>
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
One question about this testing: Aleks says, thin
layer
chromatography (tlc) can be used to determine
conversion rate and hence quality.
Has anybody done this ?
What
in it's time.
Luc
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results
John, I am a novice at this too so others should feel free to criticize my
r
CTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery/first batch results
I did the quality test and it resulted in a milky white layer on the
bottom, a thick white layer in the middle and a milky yellow layer on the
top.
interestingly my siphoned off bio
Sent by: Subject: [Biofuel] methanol
recovery/first batch results
biofuel-bounces@
bottom, a thick white layer in the middle and a milky yellow layer on
the top.
interestingly my siphoned off biodiesel separated again over the
following night into a perfectly clear yellow layer on the bottom and a
milky yellow layer on the top.
I have posted some images here:
www.lightli
what kind of a methanol recovery rate can I expect once I start doing that?
Depends which stage you do it at, and what you want to do with the
by-product. Easiest is taking back the methanol straight after
processing, before separating the by-product, but this is inclined to
cause a revers
>I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw
>yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash
>it?
You will need to do your meth recovery before you wash it as washing will
remove the meth into the wash water where its harder to recover.
>w
I got the product of my first conversion this morning and it looks straw
yellow but a bit cloudy, should I let it sit to clarify or should I wash
it? will the cloudiness wash out? does that mean that my reaction is
incomplete? should I add more lye and methanol and reprocess? should I
have
would very light stirring speed up methanol recovery?
(utilising 2 different tanks 1 for byproduct , 1 for biodiesel)
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From: "Kenneth Kron"
>Catching up on ancient email.
>If one continues mixing until the reaction is complete and I have not
>heard of any evidence that indicates separation is required for the
>reaction to complete and then introduces into the reactor enough acid to
Catching up on ancient email.
If one continues mixing until the reaction is complete and I have not
heard of any evidence that indicates separation is required for the
reaction to complete and then introduces into the reactor enough acid to
quench the sodium catalyst then I see no reason why y
and cautious enough
to create a vapor tight system.
Not so sure that everyone falls into those categories of abilities though.
Todd Swearingen
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From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel]
ast a drip from the resevoir and/or too
>much heat to the evaporator) can back down through the evaporator and
>evacuate through the bottom.
>
>The vent hose on the container that receives the biodiesel is a precaution
>for an overheated or over-fed evaporator.
>
>Todd Swearingen
Me thinks that's a question befitting the Revenuer.
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From: "Dan Maker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:25 AM
Subject: thin film evaporator for ethanol? [was - Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Recovery for Beginners -(2nd try)]
Appal Energy said:
>
> A thin film evaporator coupled to a condensor is the best method of
> recovery. A rough verbal description can be found at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/30463
> Something like this could easily be scaled up and modularized to match
> volumes of production.
From: "Chris Jude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:14 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Recovery for Beginners -(2nd try)
> Howdy y'all,
>
> I sent this a week ago, but got no reply. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> I've been lurking about on
Howdy y'all,
I sent this a week ago, but got no reply. Anyone have any ideas?
I've been lurking about on this list and have a couple questions.
I am forming a biodiesel co-op at my university (Appalachian State, NC) and
this spring semester I plan to build a processor.
I've made several 1
d or over-fed evaporator.
Todd Swearingen
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From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation
> Thanks, Todd, for going to the trouble of running that
Thanks, Todd, for going to the trouble of running that test.
Can I run my own tests like the one you described if I can figure out
how to make a condenser? Although I'm currently at the small batch
(two liter-sized) processing level, I would like to develop and
practice using a small condenser
Howdy y'all,
I've been lurking about on this list and have a couple questions.
I am forming a biodiesel co-op at my university (Appalachian State, NC) and
this spring semester I plan to build a processor.
I've made several 1L batches using Alex's 2-stage method. They seemed to turn
out wel
Maud,
> is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl ester
> considered negligible? Is it possible to determine what percentage
> remains in the methyl ester and what percentage in the glycerol? Maud
Just for grins and giggles and to answer part of your question, a 100
milileter sample of
d to recover the
>alcohol from the biodiesel, then they should be looking at insulation, heat
>recovery and renewable fuels for the energy inputs.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
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>From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Saturda
>Lagonisa,
>
> > The problem is
> > that I have also read that due to the reversibility of the reaction,
>
>The reaction is not exactly reversible. "Reversability" would require the
>three glycerides and the glycerol recombining. That doesn't happen. Once the
>glycerol is cleaved it is out of the
renewable fuels for the energy inputs.
Todd Swearingen
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From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation
Todd, is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl e
Todd, is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl ester
considered negligible? Is it possible to determine what percentage
remains in the methyl ester and what percentage in the glycerol? Maud
>Lagonisa,
>
>> The problem is
>> that I have also read that due to the reversibility of the r
Lagonisa,
> The problem is
> that I have also read that due to the reversibility of the reaction,
The reaction is not exactly reversible. "Reversability" would require the
three glycerides and the glycerol recombining. That doesn't happen. Once the
glycerol is cleaved it is out of the picture.
On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 12:02 PM, Thomus Patton wrote:
> I would think that removing methanol would certainly be detrimental
> to your yield.
So would I. Most of the methanol goes into the aqueous (glycerine)
layer anyway, so you can recover that portion by distilling the glyc
layer
Hello
I'm a chemical engineering student working on a biodiesel production facility
design project with my senior design group at NCSU. We are only in the initial
stages and do not have a lot of kinetic data yet, but I would think that
removing methanol would certainly be detrimental to your
Hello to all:
I have read some contributions to this group about methanol recovery
and the different options. I would like to try the recovery before
separation of bio and glycerol using a condenser that would receive
the methanol fumes after finishing the reaction. I have a processor
were I
Hello Gustl
>Happy Happy,
As ever! Well, almost...
>Hallo Keith,
>
>Saturday, 07 June, 2003, 08:35:54, you wrote:
>
>KA> "bowlcole" wrote:
>
> >>Still havent' heard from anyone about methanol recovery.
>
>KA> Huh? You had four responses, including one from me, plus a couple
>KA> more questions.
Hallo Keith,
Saturday, 07 June, 2003, 08:35:54, you wrote:
KA> "bowlcole" wrote:
>>Still havent' heard from anyone about methanol recovery.
KA> Huh? You had four responses, including one from me, plus a couple
KA> more questions. Not much use asking if you don't bother to check for
KA> answe
"bowlcole" wrote:
>Still havent' heard from anyone about methanol recovery.
Huh? You had four responses, including one from me, plus a couple
more questions. Not much use asking if you don't bother to check for
answers, is it? There's also been other discussion since then on
methanol recovery
Still havent' heard from anyone about methanol recovery. I am not a
federal agent.
SOmeone scolded me for using a vac pump from a freezer, to much of
a risk? is there a way those can spark?
Also does anyone knowthe hard facts about how much meth can be
recovered? Would love to hear what
>When recovering the methanol, do you heat the whole batch after it
>settles, or heat each part sepparately (biodiesel and glycerine)?
>
>Brent
Sorry Brent, you didn't get a response to this:
Different schools of thought on this. Some people just heat the whole
thing up a bit more after the pro
When recovering the methanol, do you heat the whole batch after it
settles, or heat each part sepparately (biodiesel and glycerine)?
Brent
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So what temperature do you operate the still at?
Mark, England
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From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 April 2003 16:24
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery still anyone
>
>I'm about
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I'm about 100 gallons into this home brew game and quite
>addicted. But there's the environmental issue tht I hear many of
>y'all turning over, methanol is pretty nasty, ethanol a bit more
>friendly.
> I have been t
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks for helping out, Terry
Have you ever built a 'still' for destructive wood distillation?
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Terry Wilhelm wrote:
>Hello KenSince I dont know you personal
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Terry Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello KenSince I dont know you personally and to my knowledge we have not
talked to each other I was wondering just what this Email to the world ment.I
do read all the Emails that come in and have responded to a few in the
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Terry wrote:
>Hello KenSince I dont know you personally and to my knowledge
>we have not talked to each other I was wondering just what this
>Email to the world ment.I do read all the Emails that come in and
>have responded t
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Supposedly, Terry Wilhelm wrote;
>Talk to the guys at The Revenoor Co.
>They build stills from 5 to 1,000
>gallon capacity and larger. They
>also build a recycling still to
>recover acetones, thinners and
>the likes. Making
Talk to the guys at The Revenoor Co. They build stills from 5 to 1,000 gallon
capacity and larger. They also build a recycling still to recover acetones,
thinners and the likes. Making your own ethanol is very easy, legal and
fun.www.revenoor.com503.662.4173
bowlcole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
I'm about 100 gallons into this home brew game and quite
addicted. But there's the environmental issue tht I hear many of
y'all turning over, methanol is pretty nasty, ethanol a bit more
friendly.
I have been told that I can recover almost all of the methanol.
is this right.
"movember" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf vacuum distillation unit for
>recovering methanol from a home-built continuous processor?
>If possible, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Preferably, send it here to the list - I'm sure a lot of members
would be intereste
Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf vacuum distillation unit for
recovering methanol from a home-built continuous processor?
If possible, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf vacuum distillation unit for
recovering methanol from a home-built continuous processor?
If possible, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> paul,
> a form of vacuum distillation might recover the
> methanol f
See the systems at www.resciences.com. If you do enough volume, they should
work well.
Craig
> How do most of you , that recover there methanol or ethanol do it ???
> If you use a vacuum pump, where do you get one , and how do you set it
up
> how much can be recovered from the glycerine ,or c
Martin R. asks:
>How do most of you , that recover there methanol or ethanol do it ???
>If you use a vacuum pump, where do you get one , and how do you set it up
>how much can be recovered from the glycerine ,or can one recover the Methanol
>from the entire BD batch , after the BD has been fo
Hi All
How do most of you , that recover there methanol or ethanol do it ???
If you use a vacuum pump, where do you get one , and how do you set it up
how much can be recovered from the glycerine ,or can one recover the Methanol
from the entire BD batch , after the BD has been formed ???
any
Hi All
Dose anyone have Plans on how to make your own still !!!
to recover the Methanol out of the water and glycerine ???
without using vacuum pumps just using the old way of distilling
Martin R.
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