Hello Ken,
Many thanks for posting the research. I´ve downloaded it and will consume it this weekend.
Tom Irwin
From: Ken Gotberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:31:13 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms
I’ll
Ill combine my answers.
Bob
Yes, you need a cellulase to extract glucose and there are many with those from Trichoderma reesei being the most common and most studied with the genome known (?). The glucose has many uses with ethanol being just one of them losing ~ half of the starting material
I was reading just yesterday about using white rot fungus in the form of mushrooms of the common button type as selective for lignin and leaving the cellulose and hemicellulose alone as part of a pulping scheme. The cellulose and maybe the hemicellulose can then be fermented to ethanol. (Another
Howdy Ken,
Ken Gotberg wrote:
I was reading just yesterday about using white rot fungus in the form of
mushrooms of the common button type as selective for lignin and leaving
the cellulose and hemicellulose alone as part of a pulping scheme. The
cellulose and maybe the hemicellulose can then
.
Tom Irwin
From: Ken Gotberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:07:20 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms
I was reading just yesterday about using white rot fungus in the form of mushrooms of the common button type
Please, I have not heard of thisuse
of MoS2before.
Greg H.
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I
was reading just
Hello to every one
Very simple bio process using mushroom Pluretus can give substrate
for simultaneous saccharification(hydrolysis) and fermentation ,
this can lead to low alcohol content , but a simple solvent
extraction with Castor oil as outlined in
Hi
Brain Rodgers
Gypsym can be used as depolymerizing and delignication agente
for removal of lignin at hiher temperatature , making possivel
cellulose seperation , and hence , sugar and alcohol production
sd
Pannirselvam
On 8/4/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks
Thank you for the info. I will need to lookup these terms of course. It
does give me more to work with. I do appreciate this.
Gypsym can be used as depolymerizing and delignication agente
for removal of lignin at hiher temperatature , making possivel
cellulose seperation , and hence , sugar
Hello Brian. This is most intriguing. Let me describe another sawdust expt. which I did in my kitchen. I first placed the sawdust in a clean wide mouthplastic feeding bottle, anchored it in a pot of water, and boiled for 30 min. with lid on to sterilise the sawdust. On cooling a small piece of
Thanks Manick
You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia
in your dad. Nurture him well.
During my morning run I stopped by the area where
Dad was
attaching wire to the steel posts I pounded in over the weekend.
(Patting
myself on the back here for nurturing.) Hehe Anyway, Dad said it was
Now that you bring up this point about
yeast and fungi eating
sugar the same stuff needed to ferment, it occurs to me that these
fungi folks were unaware that I was trying to ferment the sawdust.
Their original plan as I recall was to help my friend who owns a small
sawmill to dispose of
I talked with a few folks last night about the home brewing of ethanol
from sawdust. I am happy to announce that these guys are working on a
found Oyster Mushroom mycelium that they are hopeful will break down
the cellulose in order to separate the lignin. If this experiment works
they may
I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees.
:-)
MikeBrian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I talked with a few folks last night about the home brewing of ethanol from sawdust. I am happy to announce that
Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms
I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees
particularly the surfaces. There might be some folks out there who can biofacture the enzyme from the fungus.
Tom Irwin
From: Michael Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms
I hope
From: Michael Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than
Hehe
I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him
with
more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees.
:-)
Mike
Yep no
doubt about
it, but it might be a good idea for more of us to try a little "talking
to the
trees". Let's see if Mother Nature
Hello Fred
thanks for the input, even if it does pop another bubble, dammit.
Mushrooms like the same sugars that yeasts like. So a lot of what you
are trying to get from the wood is what the fungi consumes.
I have cultured both yeasts and fungi and had to have completely
seperate laminar
: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:30:23 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushroomsHello Fredthanks for the input, even if it does pop another bubble, dammit.
Mushrooms like the same sugars that yeasts like. So a lot of what you are trying to get from the wood is what the fungi consumes. I
Hi Brian,
You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia in your dad. Nurture him
well.
Thank you too Manick. Yes, my Dad stills gets around on the ranch. We
are grateful that his health is holding and truth is I am kind of
hoping that I look that good when and if I live to be 87 years
Thanks for the
note Manick.
It sounds like you have "been there done that" with cellulose to
sugar to ethanol.
Every technological term in you letter sends me off looking up meanings.
Thank goodness for Google
SO3 Sulphur Trioxide, my search found that this can be a byproduct of
coal powered
Hi Brian,
You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia in your dad. Nurture him well.Yes pressurised SO3 being a gas would mix better than LIQUID, without heavy milling machine.It is just a suggestion. Thanks very much for "been there done that" compliment. It will keep me going in good spirit.
I am new here, but this certainly looks like the place to
be.
I my opinion looking at ethanol strictly from a BTU to create over BTU
available leaves out too many important variables. Even if with
Ethanols
numbers looking dismally uneconomical to many people who I will call
naysayers
the
I did this in the80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass wastecan be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4 can be offset by value of
That
is very cool. I have seen this process somewhere. H2SO4, that is
Sulphuric Acid
right? I have a friend with a small sawmill and a 2000 gallon tank
sitting
idle, he is going to use it for rainwater collection. I asked him if he
ever
fermented sawdust. He said, It composts pretty well when
Hello Manick, Brian
I did this in the 80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30%
H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the
sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation.
Reckon sawdust/biomass waste can be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of
H2SO4
Also this:
Ethanol from cellulose
http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#cellulose
Wood-Ethanol Report: Technology Review, Environment Canada 1999 --
good overview of the problem and the current solutions on offer. Go
to the Biofuels Library.
Fuel From Sawdust -- by Mike Brown (from
What kind of "residue" is left from wood or these other alternative inputs
to the ethanol production process. Anything of value, like
seedcake from biodiesel production? Anything harmful?
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Hello Robert
What kind of residue is left from wood or these other alternative
inputs to the ethanol production process.Anything of value, like
seedcake from biodiesel production? Anything harmful?
I suggest you read the Wood-Ethanol Report, in the links I posted
before, here:
I used sawdust from Malaysian hardwoods like Meranti. I think any cellulosic material will do. One report states concentrated sulphuric acid and sawdust can also be milled together ( try !:1 ratio initially) into glucose at room temperature, ie 25C. This could be attempted with 2 roll mill set
Turning New York's Wood into the Energy of the Future
Jan 13, 2005
http://www.esf.edu/newspubs/news/2005/01.13.biorefinery.htm
State University of New York
college of Environmental Science and Forestry
SUNY-ESF's Biorefinery Process
We know our sources of fossil fuel aren't going to
Hello Greg,
Easy sources of cellulosic material can be found in waste vegetable
matter from their local supermarkets and produce terminals. Our local
terminal throws away from 20,000 to 40,000 pounds a day of produce. If
you check with a major super market, then you can have another great
Colorado, about an hour south of Denver.Summer or winter it's cool in
the basement.
Greg H.
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You are very (very) close to some people I know out there.
Parker Co.
Luc
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Nice place.
Greg H.
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G'day Greg;
You are very (very) close to some people I
SUNY researchers find way to make ethanol from wood
By WILLIAM KATES
Associated Press Writer
Jan 13, 2005
SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Using nothing more than water,
State University of New York researchers have devised a
method for removing energy-rich sugars from wood
that can be used to produce
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on this general subject and would appreciate
hearing your opinions.
- Dave
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Dave,
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As it has been
explained to me, it is a matter of getting the enzymes cheap enough to
make it cost effective--one cannot make the enzymes themselves, they are
a product of biotech. Am I mistaken? What are the enzymes and where do
they come from?
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Enzymes are a product of nature,
of the processing plan.
Best wishes,
Peggy
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As it has been explained to me
self-sufficiency, distribution
logistics, and availability.
Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood
SUNY researchers find way to make ethanol from wood
By WILLIAM KATES
Associated Press Writer
Jan 13, 2005
SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Using nothing more than water,
State University of New York
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Hello Dave.
An application of cellulases is in the denim blue (jeans) laundery shop or
factory to make the stone washed effect on denim with dimished amout or
without stones, you might find global cheap providers of cellulases
a little more efficiently, the soluble sugars which are already present,
rather than hydrolyzing significant amounts of cellulose. Note that the
residue can be burned or gasified for
combined heat and power use
the residue is the wood chips sans sugars.
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Peggy wrote:
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Hello,
Thanks for posting this. What do you think
Hello Greg,
The smallest volume in a mushroom complex can be the fruiting head.
Mycelia (projections similar to our ideas of roots) can extend for miles
and it is the mycelia that can be one of nature's greatest assets un
filtration and healthy biomass: forest maintenance, and good soil. And
Whether wood provides ethanol or methanol the
State University of New York
College of Environmental Science and Forestry
is looking into it --
[Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/39606/
[Biofuel] ethanol from wood
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
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ethanol from wood
Hello Greg,
The smallest volume in a mushroom complex can be the fruiting head.
Mycelia (projections similar to our ideas of roots) can extend for miles
and it is the mycelia that can be one of nature's greatest assets un
filtration and healthy biomass: forest
.
Best Regards.
Juan Boveda
Pilar - Paraguay
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