Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-03-03 Thread Keith Addison
>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:01:32 +0900, you wrote: > > >Further to this: > > > >>>As far as the other part is concerned. There is no dilemma. You are > >>>there to record history. not be a part of it or change it. > >>>I've gotten in trouble for this a few times myself. > > > > > > > >>But that's the

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-03-03 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:01:32 +0900, you wrote: >Further to this: One thing that I'm not sure if you mentioned, which I half-expected you to mention: The years (decades?) of Time and Newsweek having the same cover-stories. I do think this is an abdication of the editorial work and task of priori

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-03-03 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:01:32 +0900, you wrote: >Further to this: > >>>As far as the other part is concerned. There is no dilemma. You are >>>there to record history. not be a part of it or change it. >>>I've gotten in trouble for this a few times myself. > > > >>But that's the pretence - journali

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-03-03 Thread Keith Addison
Further to this: >>As far as the other part is concerned. There is no dilemma. You are >>there to record history. not be a part of it or change it. >>I've gotten in trouble for this a few times myself. >But that's the pretence - journalist-as-pipe. How it so often works >out is that such jou

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-29 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM > >That's an old myth, Fred, and much as the entire media establishment > >strives to maintain it, it's a myth nonetheless. You must be > >objective, hm? How're you going to manage that? And Heisenberg > >doesn't apply to journalists, we're not part of what we observe, we > >stand aloof and

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-28 Thread murdoch
>That's an old myth, Fred, and much as the entire media establishment >strives to maintain it, it's a myth nonetheless. You must be >objective, hm? How're you going to manage that? And Heisenberg >doesn't apply to journalists, we're not part of what we observe, we >stand aloof and play no role

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-24 Thread Appal Energy
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > Todd, > > > > I'm speaking from historical and empirical evidence when I say that it > doesn't matter which "party" is in power, nor does it make a whit who > you vote for. The

RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-24 Thread Bryan Brah
2004 7:58 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... Bryan, > As you point out Todd, I was the first to frame this discussion in the > "us-them democrat-republican" thing, but it was merely an anticipatory > post Yup. Pretty sad that. Thankfull

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-24 Thread Appal Energy
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > As you point out Todd, I was the first to frame this discussion in the > "us-them democrat-republican" thing, but it was merely an anticipatory > post. Any time Du

RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-23 Thread Bryan Brah
As you point out Todd, I was the first to frame this discussion in the "us-them democrat-republican" thing, but it was merely an anticipatory post. Any time Dubya does something stupid, shortsighted, or reckless, which happens often enough, invariably the lamentation goes up that "had he not stol

[biofuel] Moral Dilemma

2004-02-20 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Hi maniacal engineer, what about Madeleine invited Saddam to invade Kuwait,when asked about the US Policy concerning an Invasion she replied,"The US have no policy on this" Sadam was stupid enough to fall in this Trap and the US had the pretext for going in the middle east (where they had lost t

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Appal Energy
s he. That's not an opinion. That's the conviction of hundreds of millions, among which hundreds if not thousands are theologians. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:37 PM Sub

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Greg and April
fertilizer. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 21:30 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... Greg, > most anyone else. ??? That's telling. Care to elaborate on the qualifiers? :-)

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread doug
r four years. > Sadly, a stop wasn't put to it before the last three began. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:19 PM > Subject:

Moral Dilemma??? Was:: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Curtis Sakima
I don't believe this thread. If I found George W. "Hitler-M16-the-Jews-and-kick-em-into-mass-graves" Bush moaning under the rubble of the fallen WTC I'm sorry I would still attempt to rescue him. I look at it this way. Whatever he "may" or "may-not" have done guys ... that's between

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread dcande01
ica, even though I may >> despise and/or disagree with the man in it ( not mentioning any >> particular >> Presidents past, present, or future ), because he has the hardest >> bloody >> job in the world, and only a fraction of the support. >> >> Greg H. >>

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Appal Energy
piece of goat scrod someone would have to be to qualify for lack of assistance. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > Neither, I would try

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Appal Energy
nting them. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > Dubya is a corrupt palm-greasing politician, who does exactly what his > handlers tel

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Hakan Falk
a, even though I may >despise and/or disagree with the man in it ( not mentioning any particular >Presidents past, present, or future ), because he has the hardest bloody >job in the world, and only a fraction of the support. > >Greg H. > - Original Message ---

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Greg and April
Neither, I would try and save him, just like I would most anyone else. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 19:11 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... So. COLOR OR BLACK & W

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread dcande01
obably with more of a even hand > than I would want use. > > > Greg H. > > - Original Message - > From: Appal Energy > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 09:46 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > > > > How do y

RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Bryan Brah
now the solution to our problems, but I can say for sure that it's not going to come from either "political party" or their corporate-sponsored lackeys. -BRAH -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:19

Re[4]: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Todd, Thursday, 19 February, 2004, 20:31:52, you wrote: AE> Hey Gustl, AE> Yah..., I too think Greg underestimates himself. AE> As for the moral dilemma? I'd have some degree of difficulty wrestling with AE> myself no matter what I did. AE> Take pictures? Forget it. AE> Lend a hand? I'd ne

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Appal Energy
sts. Or at least some of us do. I'd rather live with the ghosts than the consequences of aiding and abetting. Todd - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Appal Energy" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:38 P

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Appal Energy
dd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > Perhaps, but, you know what they say, " Expect the unexpected ". > > I once blew my personal

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-20 Thread Greg and April
), because he has the hardest bloody job in the world, and only a fraction of the support. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 14:53 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... Sorry Greg, That w

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Appal Energy
fuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 09:46 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > > > > How do you lend aid to those who wreak so much devastation? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biof

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread MH
> Moral Dilemma... > > This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. One question ? > Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an > honest answer you will be able to ascertain where you stand morally. Serious thought, hmm... > The test fea

Re[2]: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Todd, Thursday, 19 February, 2004, 11:46:14, you wrote: >> By choosing to take the picture, you put yourself on a level lower than AE> him, choosing fame and glory, above human life. AE> That's one of the reasons I discerned there to be a third answer - do AE> nothing. ...snip... Well b

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Keith Addison
>Hi >Always shoot color. Photoshop can get excellent B&W from color slides >and negatives. > >As far as the other part is concerned. There is no dilemma. You are >there to record history. not be a part of it or change it. >I've gotten in trouble for this a few times myself. >Supposedly there are

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Greg and April
, on a daily basis, but, because he *willingly* does it and in general, probably with more of a even hand than I would want use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 09:46 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Appal Energy
TECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > By choosing to take the picture, you put yourself on a level lower than him, choosing fame and glory, above human life. > > Greg H. > - Original Message - > From: Appal

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... By choosing to take the picture, you put yourself on a level lower than him, choosing fame and glory, above human life. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Greg and April
By choosing to take the picture, you put yourself on a level lower than him, choosing fame and glory, above human life. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 18:14 Subject: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...about Bush

2004-02-19 Thread Hakan Falk
Guys and Gals, Please do not be so nasty to the poor guy, he cannot do better/worse than he is already doing. He tries his best and only because he does not have capacity to do better, you do not need to harass him. The best would be if you helped him out of this difficult situation in next elec

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread dcande01
Hi Always shoot color. Photoshop can get excellent B&W from color slides and negatives. As far as the other part is concerned. There is no dilemma. You are there to record history. not be a part of it or change it. I've gotten in trouble for this a few times myself. Supposedly there are a f

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Kris Book
Cute, very cute! I'd save him if I could then make him work as an indentured servant for the widows of his war on terror, both sides' widows. --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, there is a third answer to this... > > > Moral Dilemma... > > > Thi

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Ken Provost
B&W, always -- as Ansel Adams proved, even sunsets are great in B&W. Then, when I save His Majesty, I give him some zinger, like, you owe the rest of your life to the simple schmucks like ME!..Bwahahahaha -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink

[biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-19 Thread Appal Energy
Actually, there is a third answer to this... Moral Dilemma... This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an honest answer you will be able to ascertain where you stand mo