Re: [OSM-talk] Dispute over note closure

2024-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Marc_marc via talk writes: > Le 18.10.24 à 01:50, Greg Troxel a écrit : >> there is a typical "I am armchair mapping and if I can't armchair >> fix it the note should not be open" apparent underlying attitude. > > juste add #survey and this case That doesn&

Re: [OSM-talk] Dispute over note closure

2024-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm writes: > (b) mappers could also mark notes "as read" for themselves. That would > allow a much better collaborative approach to notes. This would be great, and probably not so hard. Basically, clicking "read" on a note would: refrain from showing that note (when fetched as tha

Re: [OSM-talk] Dispute over note closure

2024-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Florian Lohoff via talk writes: > There is a loud vocal minority which insist on notes be only used > for "Non OSM users reporting issues on the map" and when digging into > that its ALWAYS that the minority has the issue of trying to tidy up > the map of notes as they have no clue about tools av

Re: [OSM-talk] Dispute over note closure

2024-10-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Andy Mabbett writes: > What is the correct escalation when an armchair mapper insists on > repeatedly closing a note which is not resolved? > >https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3914036 > > The object in question, a cemetery, was /partly/ armchair mapped using > aerial imagery, but it is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Greg Troxel
John Whelan writes: > I hesitate to say what is relevant to OpenStreetMap.  For example many > trees are mapped but locally we lost about a quarter of them in a > recent storm.  Is mapping all the trees in Canada relevant to > OpenStreetMap?  Keeping the number of trees up to date or even shop >

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: > For some reason building sites, especially large ones, use GPS as a quick > way to measure things rather than setting up a theodolite which needs a > trained person to use it. But this is not relevant to OSM, merely perhaps interesting to nerds that care about positioning.

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Hartmut Holzgraefe writes: > On 5/5/24 21:40, Greg Troxel wrote: >> but it (15cm georeferenced aerial images) does not work in tree cover > > not having watched the video either, and having just a very basic > understanding of RTK, but wouldn't that basically be affecte

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-05 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: > It depends on the requirements. I think mapping from Bing imagery is quite > reasonable and that isn't done to 1 cm accuracy. Sure. mapping from 15 cm imagery that is actually georeferenced properly is 100% fine but it does not work in tree cover. Also actually georefere

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-05 Thread Greg Troxel
John Whelan writes: > Search Youtube for "Andreas Spiess ESP32 precision GPS receiver > (incl. RTK-GPS Tutorial)"  I deliberately haven't put a direct link > in. > > It needs packaging and documenting but I think this sort of > differential GPS could be very useful in accurate mapping. comments

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbl concerns

2023-07-02 Thread Greg Troxel
"Robert C Potter (DTP) via talk" writes: > Our intended use of OSM is built on an extract being done then > validating that extract for the gazetted/official place and road > names. The resultant validated dataset will be shared that via our > Opendata portal. Our state government has a strong c

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF Strategic Planning 2023

2023-05-25 Thread Greg Troxel
that is know to be in wide use seems fine, as that wide use is an endorsement by the community.) With respect to civility and courtesy in interactions, I think that's very important, for everyone. And I think that's the real issue. Greg _

[OSM-talk] mapilio? (street-level imagery)

2023-05-24 Thread Greg Troxel
imagery in JOSM - anything else similar - has also been spammed (private replies please and I'll post a followup if I get a bunch of comments) Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

2023-05-04 Thread Greg Troxel
"Brian M. Sperlongano" writes: > I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing > lists as "cultural differences". I can think of several German participants > on Slack and Discord that dispel this stereotype. Similarly, I can think > of several American commenters wh

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Courtney writes: > Can I ask--what is the fundamental objection to us trying to learn a bit > more about OSM communication habits? I think you are misinterpreting. I detected no objection to trying to learn. I only see objection to proprietary tools and pushing users to surveillance.

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Courtney writes: > We also now have a new datapoint for our research. It will be interesting > to get a sense of how many within the community have principled objections > to proprietary software compared to members of the community who are > looking at useability, localization, and/or accessibil

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Marc_marc writes: > Hello, > > Le 28.04.23 à 15:29, Marjan Van de Kauter a écrit : >> We are doing a research project on how OpenStreetMap users interact >> with each other. > > I am impressed (and disappointed) that those who do these surveys > have still not learned that part of the active ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 197, Issue 27

2023-04-02 Thread Greg Troxel
"Ragone, Olivia via talk" writes: > We tend to use a standard changeset comment as it would be very > difficult to capture details of every change. However, since receiving > feedback on the Talk-GB mailing list, we have amended our standard > comment to be more representative of the type of chan

Re: [OSM-talk] Adoption of OSM geometry as state mapping base

2023-02-11 Thread Greg Troxel
Andrew Harvey writes: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2023, 2:09 am Greg Troxel, wrote: > >> rob potter writes: >> >> As others pointed out those are website terms. You want to use the >> data, not the website, and you should read the Open Database License. >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] Adoption of OSM geometry as state mapping base

2023-02-10 Thread Greg Troxel
rob potter writes: > *Lawyers have raised a concern about these conditions, as the road data use > is supplied to our emergency services fire and ambulance. We have not > started using the information but we are implementing a system of > validation and change detection, then produce an authorit

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

2023-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Snusmumriken writes: > On Mon, 2023-01-09 at 08:21 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> You seem unwilling to understand that defining a way to refer to ids >> will cause social pressure not to change ids, > > Is there actually evidence that would corroborate this claim?

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

2023-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Sören Reinecke writes: > Using osm id is far from ideal but it is sufficient enough. If POI > owners are using OSM data, they will likely also pay attention to the > osm entry they have to keep it updated. So they will notice any > change. You seem unwilling to understand that defining a way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

2023-01-03 Thread Greg Troxel
stevea writes: > I'll state even more strongly than Frederik just did: "linking to an > OSM object by ID and expecting the ID to remain constant is asking for > trouble" is putting it mildly. It IS trouble. All it takes is one > single change to one single datum and boom, the assumption that do

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)

2022-11-29 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: > I have concerns about the amount of effort we seem to be asking open data > set creators to make. I think it took me seven years to get the licensing > correct to be able to import the local bus stops and very early in the > process the head of the transit system said 'but

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)

2022-11-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Simon Poole writes: >> Could you clarify the "perhaps" here? If something has been >> explicitly dedicated to the public domain via CC0, a similar >> statement, or a relevant law, should it not survive any relicensing >> attempt? Or is this just about the editorial decision of whether to >> leav

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

2022-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Minh Nguyen writes: > For what it's worth, the argument about transparency would probably be > more effective if it were actually an upfront expectation that applies > to everyone. As it is, anyone could simply set source=survey or > local_knowledge on their changeset and call it a day. > > Unle

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

2022-10-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Darafei Praliaskouski via talk writes: > This is okay. You still have the access to the reality to check if the edit > matches the reality. > > The core reason why companies can't share the imagery is that satellite > imagery providers often put a seat license on the imagery, with "publicly > av

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm writes: > you are correct in all aspects, however in the spirit of friendly > collaboration I would say that a limited amount of > stuff-that-should-not-be-in-OSM can be *tolerated*. If someone does a > lot of good work for OSM otherwise and would really like to record an > ancient

Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

2020-04-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Kathleen Lu via talk writes: > My local University is the same way. Students and faculty automatically > get access, but community and alumni can get access by paying fees. > > Is access=members an option? > > It implies that you have to become a member according to some criteria, but > that mem

Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

2020-04-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Andrew Harvey writes: > Currently we can already mark if the library is open to the public on not > (access=yes means open to the general public), but it's unclear how say a > school library or library restricted to attendees of an educational > facility like a university should be tagged (is it

Re: [OSM-talk] Strava high resolution heatmap

2020-03-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Jmapb via talk writes: > The latest I've heard is this thread from last November: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-November/083563.html > > Rodrigo Davies at Strava says they "don't currently see a problem" with > using the heatmap for mapping. A screenshot of this communica

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

2020-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map > Distribution] > From: Frederik Ramm > >> Nothing against the idea but what happened to the good old source tag >> where source=survey would point to mappers on the ground, and >> source=XYZ >> aerial imagery would poin

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Yes, but I mean cases when it is obviously, from imagery and land use, a single family house driveway. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave F writes: > On 21/03/2020 20:59, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> This really seems unfair. >> >> When someone maps for OSM because they want to, they have goals and a >> typically a good attitude about community norms. >> >> When someone is a a paid ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave F via talk writes: > In my area, AL are adding legitimate data which helps improve the > quality of the OSM database. I believe they make the same amount of > errors as any other contributors, including experienced ones. > > Unsure why he thinks OSMF should be keeping an eye on contributors

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Greg Troxel
I think it's reasonable to mark something as this was used by an import long ago, isn't used by mappers now, and the existence of it shouldn't be taken as a clue that it's current good practice but I think this should also be done in a way that is not unkind to or judgemental about long-ago

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

2020-03-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Mario Frasca writes: > I would say that 1 in 25 is low enough as not to be considered > "defacing" a web site.  what text have you used, concretely, which had > the impact you describe?  in my opinion the shortest, the better, and > I guess you did NOT use »It looks like this site forgot to put t

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
"Jóhannes Birgir Jensson" writes: > Well the current issue in Iceland is a error of 50 cm between 1993 and > 2016 due to crust movements. So it's less than 2 meters but more than > one cm. That's interesting and a useful data point for later discussion about the points that my message said this

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Yantisa Akhadi writes: > To add more challenges to this issue is imagery offset > . The value > can even be varied from tiles to tiles, that we often need to shift the > object a couple of meters away. In a remote area, where there are

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
"Jóhannes Birgir Jensson" writes: > I don't think we can or will be providing accuracy up to cm when most > of the stuff we map from our chairs is off by a meter or two anyways - > the beauty is that it doesn't matter for 99,99% of users. If a > centimeter matters then we are probably dealing wit

Re: [OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Simon Poole writes: > Thus is a slightly tricky subject and it is not going away. > > For another aspect of it see > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/StephaneP/diary/390290 Thanks -- I had not seen that. I would say that to be pedantic, there is a minor error in the post, in that OSM coordina

[OSM-talk] What does WGS84 mean for openstreetmap these days?

2019-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
(This is a long and complicated subject and I am intentionally asking only part of the question.) It's been said from the beginning that coordinates in the openstreetmap datbase are in "WGS84". That more or less meant "what a GPS receiver showed", back in the days when GPS was the GNSS system of

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Rory McCann writes: > I don't think this counts as “tagging for the renderer”, which is more > about adding false data to “make the map look like what you want” > (e.g. “I want a blue line here, like the `route=ferry` line, so I'll > use that”). > > I think it could be very helpful for place name

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread Greg Troxel
John Whelan writes: > One or two are problematic usually as the street name is an > abbreviation.    For example 1e Avenue in French meaning First Avenue. > > Any suggestions on how these should be handled?  This particular > application is aimed at partially sighted people but I feel we should >

Re: [OSM-talk] correct (scholarly) attribution?

2019-05-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm writes: > Hi, > > if someone writes a scientific paper and wants to reference an OSM data > set they used, what would be the correct way to do that? Typically such > mentions contain author and name of the work, and publication place and > year. Or maybe the web-like "retrieved on .

Re: [OSM-talk] iD invents nosquare=yes for buildings which should not be squared

2019-05-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Michael Reichert writes: > JOSM runs its validation rules only on objects modified or created in > the current session. This seems more sensible both for experienced users > and newbies for two reasons: That seems like the right thing to do. > - Uses don't get overwhelmed with dozens or hundred

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Mateusz Konieczny writes: > Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f...@zz.de: > >> In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up >> when defended or enforced in court. Once you stop doing so you >> might loose your protection. >> > AFAIK risk of losing protection is frequently overstated a

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-02-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Norman via talk writes: > On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> >> In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service" >> providers have begun to put the credit to OpenStreetMap behind an >> click-through 'About', 'Credits', 'Legal' or '(i)' link. Examples: >> >> ht

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson writes: > Not to mention that the situation of a country claiming territory that it > physically controls, but only it recognizes, is also a relatively rare > thing this decade. Playing it conservatively in the "Russia claims Crimea > and controls it, but unilaterally and by force f

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Yuri Astrakhan writes: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think >> of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two >> relations will overlap. >> >> That is absurd and confli

Re: [OSM-talk] Scientific paper on "Information Seeding"

2018-07-08 Thread Greg Morgan
eeds. It is not perfect. The map does not have to be in order to be useful. Another approach is needed to generate more interest in OpenStreetMap. It is not the imports dude. Regards, Greg [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079116.html [2] https://lists.openstre

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

2018-04-23 Thread Greg Morgan
ocess. In the same area is chachafish, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chachafish. The user has 124,710 edits. Is there something that you don't like? So have I covered two of the 6-8 editors messing up Denver Colorado? Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

2018-04-22 Thread Greg Morgan
75288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736 > I cannot tell. What is it that these six to eight mappers are doing? Are these the same six to eight mappers that are receiving blocks? Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Oracle is changing Java's license how will it affect JOSM?

2018-04-22 Thread Greg Morgan
The last time I heard something like this was when Steve Ballmer was at Microsoft. It is fitting that he retired from Microsoft and bought a basket ball team. Apparently, Steve Ballmer feels comfortable in a court room setting. ;-) Regards, Greg [1] https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1075.pdf

Re: [OSM-talk] Privacy concerns - revive some sort of anonymous editing?

2018-03-03 Thread Greg Morgan
what you have done. Map away. Map in another area of the world so that no one can make a relationship between the old you and the new you. The database needs that internal number to keep the nodes, ways, and relations glued together. Otherwise, I think al

Re: [OSM-talk] massgis:MANAGR_ABR=M173BS, massgis:DEED_ACRES=0.00000000 and other useless(?) tags

2017-12-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Mateusz Konieczny writes: > I encountered https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29690455 that is > obviously result of some unfinished import - somebody dumped random > database fields into OSM such as > > massgis:DEED_ACRES=0. > massgis:MANAGR_ABR=M173BS It's actually a finished import fro

Re: [OSM-talk] shop windows on differnt streets

2017-12-27 Thread Greg Morgan
cation. I just create a separate POI for the shop. The address will remain even if the building is torn down but shop owner and merchandise can have great volatility. Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-11 Thread Greg Troxel
Daniel Koć writes: > W dniu 07.12.2017 o 17:04, Greg Troxel pisze: >> I also object to deprecating leisure=nature_reserve. The protected_area >> scheme is too complicated for most people to deal with fully and >> leisure=nature_reserve has proved itself to be useful. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

2017-12-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Christoph Hormann writes: > On Thursday 30 November 2017, Daniel Koc4‡ wrote: >> >> I'm thinking about changes in rendering of protected areas on >> osm-carto and I wanted to give community a hint, because it's a >> popular kind of objects. > >> 1. Currently leisure=nature_reserve (old scheme) a

Re: [OSM-talk] DWG survey on organised editing

2017-09-24 Thread Greg Troxel
I think the survey asks excellent questions. One nit is that while I think the notion of paid/organized as a single notion is generally good, I do see a distinction in one area, and might have answered the anonymous question differently for the two sub-groups. Besides paid and unpaid, there is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-09-18 Thread Greg Morgan
by Bianca, Telenav is in the area editing right now and would love to help with the fix up effort. Please Advise, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] a sample panoramic aerial image for 3D mapping made with the new DJI Spark quad-copter

2017-09-01 Thread Greg Morgan
Oleksiy, Thanks for sharing. Have you tried to vertical shots? For example, I know of a new building. I'd like to get building and the surrounding improvements. It seems like a small UAV that you describe would do the job. Regards, Greg

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-28 Thread Greg Morgan
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > In fact reading this thread i cannot really believe this discussion is > actually happening, that there seem to be people who think that a large > scale unauthorized use of data can be 'healed' by rubber stamping it > with a 'review' of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-28 Thread Greg Morgan
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:16 AM, James wrote: > As Stewart has pointed out there are some changes that are valid(name > expansion). I think Mr.Ramm needs to revise his selection algorithm before > mass deletion > I don't think that it make a difference. I certainly don't want to make more edit

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-28 Thread Greg Morgan
ok a long time for the name change to complete in JOSM once the last remote control command was issued. DWG you are up. Please redact the name issue in the prior versions of the ways in Change set # 51502902. Once the DWG is finished, it would be great if Martijn could assist me develop a MapRoul

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-27 Thread Greg Morgan
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > I don't understand what people mean with 'verifying' objects. We're > not trying to find factually-incorrect data. The data is legally > tainted. It's questionable whether looking at the current names > imported from GMaps, comparing to a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-27 Thread Greg Morgan
tijn > Martijn, I'd would be great if you can break this down to an area. For example, I have a list of Arizona streets. I'd prefer to work on this as an Arizona challenge verses one big chdr challenge. Please Advise, Greg ___ tal

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-27 Thread Greg Morgan
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Aug 27, 2017 11:58, "Yves" wrote: > > a écrit : > > > Frederik, > > > Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an > import or automated edit and follow the rules you would expect to see the > rest of the communi

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard writes: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 08:09:25PM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> john whelan writes: >> > >> > As someone who lives in a city street with one school in the middle and one >> > at either end posted at 40 km/h with an average traff

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-23 Thread Greg Troxel
djakk djakk writes: > The thing is, I'm annoyed when there is a primary in the middle of a trunk > road (example : https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/44.3996/-70.9439) I haven't been there, but the notion that the road is fundamentally different in the primary section is totally sensible and

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: >>A typical city road posted 30 mph might move at 35 mph, I probably should not have said city, but maybe town. Around me, things are less crowded and the speeds I referenced are not irresponsible. > As someone who lives in a city street with one school in the middle and o

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Lester Caine writes: > http://map.project-osrm.org/?z=11¢er=52.149501%2C-1.577225&loc=52.048797%2C-1.856918&loc=52.258912%2C-1.619625&hl=en&alt=0 > > 43.4km 33min > > Dragged to normal route via Mickleton it becomes 32.3km 34min, but > anybody who uses this section of the A46 will tell you that

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Philip Barnes writes: > On 22 August 2017 14:46:33 BST, Richard wrote: >>On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 08:40:13AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: >>> >>> Two points: >>> >>> Speed limit does not describe the speeds that reasonably >>responsible &g

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
djakk djakk writes: > Yes Martin, I meant "physical characteristics". In the US, a road is tagged > "trunk" according to its physical characteristics, as Greg said previously > in this thread. That's true, but it's also the case that the roads that are

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
ed.) Computing a route based on what's known to happen is not the same thing as encouraging speeding -- it's more like admitting that it usually happens. And in all cases the driver is deciding how to drive. So: maxspeed:practical should be able to have higher values tha

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Lester Caine writes: >> I'm afraid that you can't use speed_limit : on small roads, the official >> speed_limit is not signed but follows the default one (90km/h in France >> even on a lanes=1.5 road !). > > Single carriageway roads here are 60MPH out of town and 30MPH in town > but I'm not sur

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-19 Thread Greg Troxel
djakk djakk writes: > In England and Japan, trunk roads continue inside village boundaries. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.2685/0.7700 ; > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/35.6261/139.1128 > Trunk is used as a super-primary class of roads. Yes, but in the US, that's not what it

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Colin Smale writes: > Interesting approach, which might work for Europe, but at the moment I > am not entirely convinced. What is strategic at a European level might > not be so strategic locally, and vice versa. The European numbers are > also not signposted everywhere, so there may be a challe

Re: [OSM-talk] Street Complete

2017-06-10 Thread Greg Morgan
map after looking at the surrounding map data. I now favor passive survey with OpenStreetCam or Mapillary. This method has issues too but it is far better than when I used paper and pencil. Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Street Complete

2017-06-10 Thread Greg Morgan
overed by wifi either. > Cheerio John > > On 10 June 2017 at 16:48, Greg Morgan wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, James wrote: >>> >>>> Mean while in ot

Re: [OSM-talk] Street Complete

2017-06-10 Thread Greg Morgan
On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, James wrote: > >> Mean while in other common wealth countries like Canada or Australia, >> it's not economically viable to pave every road. This is a very closed view >> on the world we live in. >> > > Heck, th

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Note 1000000

2017-05-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave F writes: > On 26/05/2017 09:43, Florian Lohoff wrote: >> >> So who is at fault? The one mentioning somethings missing - or the one >> putting some information into the map without closing the note? > > I think you're missing the point. There are a large number of > pointless notes, such as

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

2017-04-25 Thread Greg Troxel
Oleksiy Muzalyev writes: > Both "man_made=tower;tower:type=communications" and "man_made=mast" > are being used interchangeably. One of them is rendered with a good > icon and another not rendered at all on the OSM map. > I was not suggesting to re-tag this particular communication mast per > se

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Help HOT give 10 communities the resources to map!

2016-12-01 Thread Greg Morgan
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:47 PM, john whelan wrote: Context please? I have no idea what you are talking about. One of the problems with giving aid is only about a tenth of the money > given is used in the way one would hope. > > Probably the most pressing problem in Africa at the moment is corru

Re: [OSM-talk] Pic4Carto: efficient pictures viewer for micro-mapping

2016-11-26 Thread Greg Morgan
sing items but I cannot put my finger on them. The simplicity is Pic4Carto's best feature. Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=crossing tags removed in changeset.

2016-07-19 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Dave F wrote: > > On 19/07/2016 14:01, Greg Morgan wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Dave F >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> ...Two wrongs don't make a right. >> >> And yet you persist at

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=crossing tags removed in changeset.

2016-07-19 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Dave F wrote: > > On 16/07/2016 07:20, Greg Morgan wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro S. >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> Looks like somebody making automated edits without checking by survey >&

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=crossing tags removed in changeset.

2016-07-15 Thread Greg Morgan
that is wrong to begin with? How about clarifying the wiki page before accusing someone of an automated edit? How about let's congratulate Wynndale on a brave attempt at map gardening in such a hostile environment? Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Greg Troxel
[replying to the thread in general] I tend to be nervous about groups that are structurally like the DWG. However, when I look at what they've done over the years I've been involved, and the notion of the automated edits code, I have to say the DWG has seemed 100% reasonable and if anything sligh

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 20 giu 2016, alle ore 12:04, Tomas Straupis >> ha scritto: >> >> My main point is to get back to reservoir/basin being tagged as "landuse" > > > why would that be desirable? Basically landuse is a property of land, > and generall

Re: [OSM-talk] Craigslist

2016-05-11 Thread Greg Morgan
a rendering bug to CL and leave out the reflection issue. Regards, Greg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

2016-04-27 Thread Greg Morgan
haps receive direct contributions. Well then, it might be smart for Digital Globe, Mapbox, or another organization to setup a crowdfunding section of their websites. A 501C section of the said firms could collect money to fund some of these efforts without th

Re: [OSM-talk] RfD notification: Purge tag "priority" from tracks

2016-04-09 Thread Greg Morgan
ns in the US are looking at European tag models for the vast railway network that we are piecing together. http://www.openrailwaymap.org/ looks like the only way to show cases all the features of rail changes. Will there be an impact to the railway map too? Regards, Greg _

Re: [OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

2016-04-05 Thread Greg Morgan
54 Landsat > 56 CanVec 6.0 - NRCan > 57 IRS > 63 NRCan-CanVec-8.0 >118 landsat >121 Bing >123 NRCan-CanVec-7.0 >437 Kartverket N50 >802 NRCan-CanVec-10.0 > 1476 > 1708 NHD > The importers that provided me all the NHD data are my

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

2016-04-02 Thread Greg Morgan
g. In the scheme of things Twitter's big data engine made the connections. Now these kids believe I am part of Anonymous taking down ISIS. LOL!!! Since I told this story two selectors at the NSA building have been activated. Thank you. You are welcome! Regards, Greg On Sat, Apr 2, 2

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

2016-04-02 Thread Greg Morgan
reating Vim and Emacs plugins for Slack so that the Vim/Emacs editor war can continue on to World War 100. >>>:->>>>> Regards, Greg [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2016-April/016114.html https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2016-Apr

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Piers vs Docks

2016-03-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Clifford Snow writes: > Unfortunately those trained in nautical matters is quite small. Most are > like me, a dock is something you walk out on from the shore. In some parts > of the country the docks are removed in the winter others are there > permanently. Agreed that this is 99.9% of the usa

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Piers vs Docks

2016-03-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Malcolm Herring writes: > On 11/03/2016 17:15, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: >> By the way, we recently had a discussion on tagging@osm >> about quay, pier etc. : > > That discussion was about the various mooring structures. The OP > refers to the US-en usage of the word "dock",

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing through access=delivery

2016-02-17 Thread Greg Knisely
again. --Greg Knisely On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send talk mailing list submissions to > talk@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > or, via email, s

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim weakness

2015-12-24 Thread Greg Troxel
malenki writes: > Do you realize that the map usually shows the region you did look at > last? This may not necessarily be the region you want to have searched > at thus making a "search on displayed map" quite useless. > Sure looking at the location of the users IP address may help, but in > my

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Collective Database Guideline (was Meta-Data Guideline)

2015-11-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Simon Poole writes: > If you have any feedback, questions of suggestions, please respond soon. > I'm planning on a final review and potential approval at the upcoming > LWG meeting on Tuesday and proceeding to formal board approval and > publishing in a matter of days. > > The text can be found

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