[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #666 18/04/2023-24/04/2023

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 666, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/16457 Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Hi, all, Here, thanks to the generosity of some folks on the OWG and OSMF who donated their time to us so that we could have access to an open source tool of this quality, is a LimeSurvey version. https://osmf.limequery.org/751285?lang=en Please do fill it out and share it widely within the

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

*I object only to the tone of some of the comments, and to assumptions that are made about our motivation, decision process re: our approach, and quality of our skills. I'm not alone in objecting to problems of tone more broadly, and so I feel comfortable insisting on a higher quality discourse

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Now that we seem to have established that this was not a CWG thing to start with, could everyone who was involved in creating this announcement please review their communication behaviour, *especially* when it comes to signing messages as "so-and-so, OSMF communications working group" when

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Here, too, we gave quite a bit of careful thought to the decision. We felt that if we did not disclose that we were on the CWG, that it might be seen by some as a lapse of transparency. Further, I think it's relevant that we're on the CWG, as it shows why we are interested in this topic, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

We do indeed have people with non technical backgrounds working on the survey, including a multilingual person with an advanced degree in language and technology, and a person with an advanced degree in English language. We have two very experienced data analysts working on it, as well. We did

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 1:06 PM Courtney wrote: > This conversation has opened up important new questions. Why is the main > "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? Why is it the only > one that is producing such a negative tone? > > I don't understand the degree of ire and

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

My background was working with surveys and my comments simply came from that background and the steps taken to obtain accurate results. Nothing else. Typically a university run survey isn't done to high standards. Your comment on questions from talk I think relates to the users. OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

John, This is all very insightful and I agree with all of it. One reason we posted the survey in 12 different channels was because we have all worked within OSM for a long time and we are familiar with the different cultures within the different channels. You wrote, "So are you interested in a

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> Why is the main "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? Why > is it the only one that is producing such a negative tone? How widely is the > principle of using only open source software adopted across the community? It is not just "Talk". It is a phenomenon of all English

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Courtney writes: > We also now have a new datapoint for our research. It will be interesting > to get a sense of how many within the community have principled objections > to proprietary software compared to members of the community who are > looking at useability, localization, and/or

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Courtney writes: > Can I ask--what is the fundamental objection to us trying to learn a bit > more about OSM communication habits? I think you are misinterpreting. I detected no objection to trying to learn. I only see objection to proprietary tools and pushing users to surveillance.

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Hi, On 4/28/23 15:57, Marc_marc wrote: I am impressed (and disappointed) that those who do these surveys have still not learned that part of the active opendata community does not wish to ally a closeddata based enterprise (nominally: no use of google forms for some of us). Agree. It's one

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Just a comment on Fredrick's input. Selecting the sample is one of the most difficult parts of a survey to get right.  The self selection part of this survey makes it open to bias, as Frederick has commented this is compounded by the platform. I'm not making a comment about if the platform is

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

We are working on setting up a limesurvey for those who don't wish to use a Google form. I'll post it as soon as I have time to create and distribute it. We also now have a new datapoint for our research. It will be interesting to get a sense of how many within the community have principled

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:03 AM Courtney wrote: > Why is the main "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? > Why is it the only one that is producing such a negative tone? > I don't sense a "negative tone" in this conversation. Some people disagree with some things you are

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Yes, it is not one or the other. That's my point exactly. So what is the harm in doing our best to get a feel for what people prefer, how they balance these concerns, and how the different choices affect them? I welcome all the pushback and have already learned a very great deal--this is one of

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Le 30.04.23 à 18:29, Courtney a écrit : It will be interesting to get a sense of how many within the community have principled objections to proprietary software compared to members of the community who are looking at useability, localization, and/or accessibility as well as open sourcing in

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:58 PM Courtney wrote: > Here, too, we gave quite a bit of careful thought to the decision. We felt > that if we did not disclose that we were on the CWG, that it might be seen > by some as a lapse of transparency. > It is good that you disclosed your affiliations.

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Hi all, I am really disappointed by the anger and outrage in this thread and that, to castigate a volunteer in public, no matter what hat they are wearing or company they work for is just not on. Now we have the LimeSurvey version, let's promote this and look at the results. I hope in future,

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

Yes, I understand the concern and am in the middle of adding clarification to the introduction to all 23 copies of the survey. C On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 9:25 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:58 PM Courtney > wrote: > >> Here, too, we gave quite a bit of careful thought to

[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #666 18/04/2023-24/04/2023

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 666, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/16457 Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in

[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 666 18/04/2023-24/04/2023

Bonjour, Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 666 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître *en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur : https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/16457/ Bonne lecture ! Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note hebdomadaire sans être

[Talk-pe] Peru: Nuevo desafío MapRoulette en Lima

Hola Comunidad de OSM Peru! Continuando con nustra conversación sobre como TomTom puede ayudar a la comunidad, me complace anunciar un nuevo desafío MapRoulette en Lima. El desafío consiste en corregir intersecciones entre edificios y