Re: [Talk-GB] inferred single-carriageway NSL?

2011-03-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Bullock wrote: Do we *really* need to be tagging national speed limits on individual ways? E.g. the vast majority of roads ought to be one of; *residential roads subject to 30mph *rural roads subject to NSL Perhaps we could tag the ones that differ from the above - and let

Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?

2011-04-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Stuart Grimshaw wrote: Some routes stop after a certain time of day, or they follow a different route at weekends. They follow a different route for 1 journey before or after school and they go to different stops because of roadworks. To keep this information accurate you really would

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote:  So the proposal is now: maxspeed:type=GB:national_single|GB:national_dual|GB:motorway|GB:restricted I may be missing the point on all of this, but: Why are we doing this? In OSM we optimise for the mapper, not the data consumer. That means we tag exceptions, not

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote:  There is also the difficulty of identifying which country you are in Nominatim seems to manage. :) There is current the problem that no one has actually created a look- up table for the values that can be used by downstream systems Ah, now, this is where we have

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: Admittedly I have no motorways in the area I map, but I have added lots of maxspeed tags recently to try and eliminate (or reduce the number of) mapdust/skobbler missing speed limit bugs. Gah! Doing that on national speed limit roads is surely tagging for the renderer writ

Re: [Talk-GB] Maxspeed tagging for the UK

2011-04-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kai Krueger wrote: If I am not mistaken, you your self have said that you would rather use Ordinance Survey data then OpenStreetMap data, despite being an absolute OSM enthusiast. And if I remember correctly, this was not only due to licensing, but also because of ease of use? Indeed, but

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker wrote: I've just declined the new OSM Contributor Terms (CTs), because I've previously made edits based on OS OpenData In which case, I would appreciate it that if you carry out any future non-OS-derived edits, you do so from another account with assent to the Contributor

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F. wrote: On 18/04/2011 16:59, Richard Fairhurst wrote: In which case, I would appreciate it that if you carry out any future non-OS-derived edits, you do so from another account with assent to the Contributor Terms. Did you mean *non*-OS edits? If so could you expand on that please

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nick Whitelegg wrote: So I take it that now I've signed I can't contribute any more OS stuff? I believe you can and am continuing to use OpenData as often as I did before (that's not very often). Robert believes you can't and has explained why in this thread. there do seem to be slightly

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. Strongly disagree. But then you know that. :) I think the root (route?) problem is

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the National Byway a network - it's a circular route with the odd spur - but I guess

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: I can't see any obvious instances of this tagging in the database at present. Can you give me some example ways? Ah, well, if you're asking about how it's tagged at present: it's grouped in _relations_ (as cycle routes usually are) which have tags route=bicycle,

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Dixon wrote: Richard - are you prepared to humour the rest of us and give this a go? Well, I can't stop you! If I were someone wanting the National Byway to render right now, I'd tag it as rcn, not ncn, because I believe if it quacks like a duck, tag it like a duck and the quality and

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: Does anyone object if longish-distance routes (eg the round-Berkshire route) are now coded as rcn (rather than lcn), given that Sustrans have moved away from making a distinction between their national and regional routes? Personally I think that'd be a great improvement.

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Dixon wrote: OK, I've updated the tagging of all the National Byway relations listed on the wiki to network=rcn, and also updated the wiki to reflect the changes. I suppose I ought to go out and fill in some of the local gaps now! Thumbs up to all of that. :) cheers Richard --

Re: [Talk-GB] 'couldn't load map' in Potlatch2

2011-05-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: Anyone else getting this and have any other information or work-rounds? It's actually an API issue rather than a P2 issue. P2 is simply saying either the API refused to send any data or I couldn't get any response from the API. Tom has recently committed a change that will

Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths

2011-05-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: The general practice in this country is to use footway for paved paths in cities and path for muddier countryside ones (or, perhaps, through city parks). Um, no it isn't. There is absolutely no consensus for using =path in the countryside rather than =footway. I strongly

Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths

2011-05-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
On 06/05/2011 08:13, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Am I right that you can embed P2 into other websites and connect it to the live API? Yep. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Deploying_Potlatch_2 . cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Britain's historic waterways 'access' the digital age

2011-05-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin wrote: Sounds like they are trying to reinvent OSM, but for waterways only. Perhaps people with particular knowledge of waterways in OSM might wish to contact them? See comments at

Re: [Talk-GB] New British Waterways map; why not use OSM?

2011-05-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: I completely agree that the tools aren't there yet, but could they not have used OSM for their database? In theory, yes. But there are huge costs to that, too. The effort required to work with the community, and in particular, through the tagging minefield. The extra

Re: [Talk-GB] New British Waterways map; why not use OSM?

2011-05-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: It does however seem disappointing for them to be duplicating some a lot of work. I agree that the OSM data is not perfect however it is good and could be even better very easily. AIUI they're not duplicating work. This is a towpath condition project, not a map the

Re: [Talk-GB] New British Waterways map; why not use OSM?

2011-05-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Perhaps you missed this part of my post (quoting BW): A pilot project in London is already: mapping comprehensive data on access points, barriers, facilities and public transport as well as information on the surface type, average width and

[Talk-GB] C roads

2011-05-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I note an increasing number of roads tagged with ref=Cnumber: http://osm.org/go/euF7qf93- http://osm.org/go/eu6CM0IS- etc. Leaving aside for now the question of sourcing, I feel a little uneasy about these being rendered on the map. Anyone using the map as, well, a

Re: [Talk-GB] C roads

2011-05-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kev js1982 wrote: Some C (and U) roads are signed apparently - see http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/ Indeed - a tiny number, and of the list at http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/signs.shtml, quite a few seem to be temporary or works signs (i.e. more for local council edification than for general

Re: [Talk-GB] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ben Robbins wrote: Also, I have no idea how to take this to talk-gb, except by simply replying there not here, and breaking up a string of responses. I did however justify why it's here, which your welcome to read. I'm still struggling some what with getting these replies in the right place,

[Talk-GB] The Severn Way

2011-05-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hello all, As some of you might know, I used to work for British Waterways editing their consumer website, Waterscape.com. We also put together a bunch of other waterway websites while I was there, one of which was for the Severn Way long-distance path. Unfortunately, what with public sector

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: With complete lists of addresses, we can go and find exact positions of these services. I am still unsure if this is compatible with the relicensing. If you go out and find the exact position of a service, with a piece of paper and a pen (or a GPS or whatever), that's your

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: On 07/06/11 14:37, Richard Fairhurst wrote: You don't need to put stuff into OSM to make it mashable-uppable. Most competent licences will have a Collective Work/Database provision to enable this. While this this strictly true it is sometimes hard to associate external records

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: Straw man. [...] Sigh. [...] It is ridiculous [...] I guess I should not surprised you can't see the benefits [...] This seems to be a common thread of your arguments - you make wild claims Fair enough. It's fairly evident you don't see stuff on the same wavelength as I do.

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Stewart wrote: So I've got no objection to the proposed bot. If it can be used on a restricted area There is a section of the relevant wiki page where people can request areas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OS_bot#List_of_requested_places Note the column for Links to consultation

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Coast wrote: Could you cite the evidence? Have you Merkins sorted out how you're classifying roads and tagging their numbers yet? (if that's just general incompetence rather than import-related malaise feel free to correct me ;) ) cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Stewart wrote: This keeps getting raised and I'm not sure how true it is. If you import data into an area that already has an active community, you likely won't damage the community (though you may piss them off). OTOH, you probably don't _need_ to import data because there's already an

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: According to OSM Mapper Worcester has been developing nicely over a couple of years. Fyi, the most active mapper is this srbrook. Mapper since: 14 October 2009 at 20:30 (over 1 year ago). Description: I'm Steve and have been mapping in the south Worcester, UK area since

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: Saw a new Onward Travel Poster at Oxford. Nice map. Presumably a similar one at most other railway stations. Lots of detail, including some footpaths that have a very familar shape... Nice attribution. To OS. Yes. This is supposedly a national initiative, but I've only

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Stewart wrote: So again you are basically arguing that we should avoid completing the map because having a patchy incomplete map is what brings in contributors? No, I'm not. I'm arguing that completing the map by survey creates a community who will go on to improve and maintain the

Re: [Talk-GB] Customised Maps (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Jones wrote: setting up mapnik and all its dependencies is quite daunting This week I've seen something that gives near-Mapnik quality rendering with, hopefully, near-trivial installation, configuration and system demands. I think one comment on IRC was zomg which succinctly sums it up.

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Stewart wrote: This is no doubt true. But surely having an area that has been *surveyed* to 100% road name completion is just as likely to put off any new contributors as one that was *traced* to 100%? (i.e. not very in my opinion) I don't think so. Again, the difference is that you're

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote: I can imagine the little M stickers being printed now... For those curious as to what these maps look like, here's one I photographed last week: http://www.systemeD.net/temp/onward_travel_falmouth.jpg (4.6Mb file) Compare and contrast with http://osm.org/go/erU5Lvdkm- .

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter J Stoner wrote: Thank you for the photo. It is the first of the new posters I have seen so it has helped me to check the Traveline and NextBuses references! :) They're good posters, I like them (though the cartography is a bit... utilitarian, shall we say?). This use of OSM shows

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: But you are leaving out the third possibility which is an area stuck at 40% completion, which doesn't have a vibrant community either. Oh, indeed. But if we were to put as much effort into marketing OSM and improving our tools as we do into writing and indeed discussing bots,

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: Fyi we are doing some investigation in ITO into adding OS VectorDistrict 'road missing' data on the OS Locator tiles or possibly onto an alternative map layer. The aim being to make tracing of roads easier [...] At a later stage one might consider extending the bot to also

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: ITO are probably not the best people to set up maintain simple mirrors of existing content. Are there not 100 sites where a mirror could be set up and maintained? Why is the OS site not sufficient anyway? The OS site a) offers download-only access behind an e-mail

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: If this is what you want then it clearly isn't a simple FTP mirror Let's not overcomplicate things. :) All that is needed is that someone a) downloads all the OS VectorMap District files b) unzips them c) places the unzipped shapefiles on an FTP server somewhere d) copies

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Loach wrote:  I refer mainly to reprojecting from OSGB to WGS84, which required manual tweaks to every .prj file [1]. Would this need doing before upload, or is it something that is now (but not deployed yet) automated within Potlatch 2? Potlatch 2's improved (not deployed yet) shapefile

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: I'm not very familiar with projections so a little more clarity would be useful for me. As potlatch 'understands' OSGB, is loading an OSBG shp file any more expensive than loading a WGS84 shp file? A little. P2 has to reproject each point on first load. But we're using an

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: Richard can you give the following URLs a go? Thanks for setting that up - really encouraging. But good news and bad, I'm afraid. The good news is that P2 can get the files from the server no problem. The bad news is that Ordnance Survey appear to have broken it. When I was

Re: [Talk-GB] Customised Maps (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Adam Hoyle wrote: another email I missed. d'oh. this also sounds exceedingly good - any idea where I should look to make sure I don't miss it? http://kothic.org/ cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] Potlatch 2.2

2011-06-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, I'm pleased to announce Potlatch 2.2 is live. New features include: - Greatly improved vector background layer support (load shapefiles in the background and bring elements through one-by-one), including reprojection from OSGB - Control-drag an area to select multiple elements -

Re: [Talk-GB] Potlatch 2.2

2011-06-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Doerr wrote: I think the main symptom was the contents of the left panel disappearing: at this point, I would normally click Save, then (once the Save was complete) click View, then Edit again to start a new changeset. If you can provide steps to reproduce, we can take a look at it.

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: I'd appreciated it if you could check with the other OSMF board members, so you then can make an official statement about Michael's post. I'm sure you're doing this for the right reasons, but there's something faintly amusing about the appeals to an

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and accepting the new contributor terms

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker wrote: That's my position and you can take it or leave it. I really don't see how flaming me in this list is helpful to the community. Blimey. It was meant as a good-natured jokey e-mail, a gentle dig at best. But if it helps, the Archbishop of Canterbury's house in Charlbury

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mike Collinson wrote: I would like to thank the Ordnance Survey for their kind consideration and the speed in which they were able to give a response. ...and thank you, Mike and Henk, for taking this on. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: So I suspect it's potentially breaching copyright, and a matter of judgement as to whether it's worth the risk. For example, if you were copying in data from a commercial web site whose business model was based around that data (like a listing of pubs) you might get

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Earl wrote: Even then, to infringe database copyright under UK law you would have to copy a substantial part of the database. Checking or obtaining a few names against such a list isn't database copyright infringement Oh, absolutely. The thing I've always been anxious about, though, is

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: So presumably we also need confirmation from Ordnance Survey that they're happy for their content to be distributed under DbCL (or at least under the ODbL+DbCL combination). I think that's a red herring, isn't it? ODbL imposes additional requirements over and

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: In the context of OSM, the fact that the contents will be under DbCL will enable users to make use insubstantial extracts without having to provide any attribution or share-alike or anything else. Again, as I said, insubstantial is statute law - both the EU

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: So if I understand what you're saying correctly, because there are already provisions in UK law (and possibly elsewhere) that allow you to make use of insubstantial parts of a work in any way you want without infringing any copyright or database rights, we

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: There's a draft statement in the LWG minutes a few weeks ago [2]. I wonder if LWG got round to approving this at their most recent meeting... They have now done so! In response to community requests, the LWG formally clarifies as follows: The intent of the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: In the mean time, could I suggest that other mappers don't start replacing my contributions just yet. Speaking personally: sure. I'm happy to leave your stuff alone for a week. I think replacing Etienne's contributions in the areas I'm interested in will keep me

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK

2011-07-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Coast wrote: Hi Robert Was this resolved with (I believe) Henk's email? Robert and Steve - has there been any progress on this yet? Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OS-OpenData-and-ODbL-OK-tp6545997p6633300.html Sent from the Great Britain

Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery alignment in Potlatch 2

2011-07-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jo Walsh wrote: A way to drag base layer like in JOSM. Hold Space and drag. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bing-imagery-alignment-in-Potlatch-2-tp6638302p6638356.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Talk-GB] British Antarctic Territories

2011-09-26 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: Yet again we see the lazy armchair mappers trying to 'map' areas they have never visited. Instead of wasting time with dubious-quality Ordnance Survey maps why don't we organize some mapping parties and community outreach to the penguins? That's a terrific idea!

Re: [Talk-GB] 'Can't load map'

2011-09-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: Correct. I think the actual message is 'couldn't load the map'. Sometimes it will load the data eventually if one persists, but generally it is better to give it a rest for a few hours and try later. It only occurs using Potlatch 2 btw, Potlatch 1 still works fine and

Re: [Talk-GB] Relation for M5?

2011-10-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mark S wrote: Looking at the wiki (route=road) it seems to suggest a relation can be used here. Road route relations are useful in the US, and some other countries, where a section of road can belong to two routes. In the UK, each road can only belong to one route (i.e. an unambiguous ref=

Re: [Talk-GB] Relation for M5?

2011-10-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Colin Smale wrote: * there are lots of stretches of roads with (ostensibly) two UK numbers (segment is shared between two routes) Nope - there aren't. That's a popular misconception. Where (for example) the A11 disappears into the A14 east of Cambridge, for example, the road really is only

[Talk-GB] Wales Coast Path

2011-10-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
The Welsh Government is creating a 850-mile Coast Path, to incorporate long-established routes such as the Pembrokeshire Coast Path, more recent ones such as the Ceredigion Coast Path, and new sections. It's set to open in May 2012. Work seems to be progressing well:

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-10-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Brian Prangle wrote: what do you call places where they make cider/perry? awesome cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Drinking-Map-of-UK-tp6945690p6946350.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging references to web-enabled databases (war memorials others)

2011-11-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Generally speaking, is it best to use the full URL; UKNIWM_URL = http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.2049 or the unique ID part: UKNIWM_ID = 2049 Generally we have taken the approach that such data should not be included in OSM; we are not a mashup centre for

Re: [Talk-GB] Size - Importance of features - (Was Drinking Map of UK)

2011-11-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Jones wrote: This will inevitably be subjective So we don't do it. :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability From a given scenario, a tag/value combination is verifiable if and only if independent users when observing the same feature would make the same observation every

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Someoneelse wrote: I believe that it's both, actually. It was the Bass Museum, then got closed and eventually reopened under its current name after the musical chairs enforced by the MMC when Interbrew had to sell Bass to Coors. FWIW I think it was the Bass Museum; then the Coors Visitor

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: Do make comments/suggestions on the wiki pages... the tags we're using are still evolving. I have changed craft|industrial=cider_house to craft|industrial=cider (and the same for perry). A cider house is a pub that predominantly serves cider, not a producer. There is no

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Doerr wrote: The Oxford English Dictionary got it wrong then: *cider-house* n. a building in which cider is made. Far be it for me to criticise the august OED (though I'm more of a Chambers man), but yes, it did. http://www.thecoronationtap.com/ - Clifton's original, and still it's only,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Aston Manor Brewery in Birmingham no longer makes ales; just cider, on an industrial scale - yet retains the word Brewery in its name. :-( I'd argue it doesn't really make anything recognisable as cider, either, but that's a whole different argument. ;) (not quite fair -

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: We have real cider now as well? Yep, although I think it's less of a binary yes/no than with real ale. CAMRA has a lengthy definition at http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=aboutciderandperry , though it's worth noting that cider-drinkers generally don't regard CAMRA with

[Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hello all, We seem to be ending up with wildly conflicting use of 'lcn=yes', 'lcn_ref=*', and similar tags across Britain. In London, these tags are used as you would expect - to map the signposted London Cycle Network. It's pretty much in keeping with ncn= and rcn= tagging. In Worcester,

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Someoneelse wrote: Thanks Andy. Makes sense to me. Do you know if there is anywhere a list of proposed Sustrans routes (not based on OS mapping hopefully) that could be used for fact-checking some of the more wishful proposed cycle ways in OSM? Andy R and I have a list of three-digit NCN

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put up in various places. Not sure which stickers you're referring to, but IIRC Sustrans 'Ranger' stickers are approved for use by almost all highway authorities in England, including Oxfordshire. (The two I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] Revert my changeset please

2011-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pawel Stankiewicz wrote: I would like to find out which Wiki articles states: only run automated edits if you know what you're doing and how to repair any damage you might cause http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines If you don't know how to revert an import, chances are you

Re: [Talk-GB] Revert my changeset please

2011-12-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pawel Stankiewicz wrote: If you don't know how to revert an import, chances are you shouldn't be doing the import in the first place. Chances are something very different from a ban. No. You're misunderstanding English idiom. I've now edited the page for the benefit of other people who have

[Talk-GB] Retour de l'autoroute britannique

2011-12-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Google have finally done it: they've switched from TeleAtlas to Google map data in the UK. Set your stopwatches for the first newspaper story about man drives off cliff - '...but Google told me it was a road'!. Some of their choices are, shall we say, a little heroic. cheers Richard

Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire 2012 - map the county's footpaths

2011-12-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nick Whitelegg wrote: (I'm also keen BTW to deal with a possible licencing issue here. A long-standing contributor has mapped many footpaths in Hampshire already but has not signed up to the CTs. Naturally I'm keen not to see all his hard work lost, and TBH, while I'm licence-neutral,

Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap water feature import

2011-12-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Graham Jones wrote: This is one where it is certainly possible to import the data, but to do it manually is going to be a huge amount of effort, and I wonder if it is really worth the effort? I think it is, yes. If I may be so immodest to repeat myself from the IRC quotes page on the wiki:

Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire 2012 - map the county's footpaths

2011-12-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nick Whitelegg wrote: OK. I get the impression that if he PDs his edits then they can be carried through; can you confirm this is the case? Any data (whether OSM edits* or a third-party source) that are declared to be public domain, i.e. free of rights, can indeed be included in OSM post-1st

Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap water feature import

2011-12-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: In some parts of the country there are waterways traced from out-of- copyright OS maps or from Street View tiles. Getting the shapes from OS VectorMap will certainly be an improvement on that. Absolutely. Some of the tracing from NPE appears to have been done either from the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap water feature import

2011-12-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pawel Stankiewicz wrote: I wonder who can know this maze of channels in such degree (s)he could improve significantly a long-term work of professionals from OS. Someone like the guy who wrote www.localboating.co.uk/The%20Walton%20Backwaters.pdf , perhaps? Richard -- View this message in

Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness

2012-01-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
this relation from scratch would be a *lot* of work, as it covers lane and paths across hundreds of miles. There is no chuffing way I am allowing our NCN coverage to go to pot on 1st April! Least of all Lon Las Cymru (NCN 8): http://vimeo.com/6623643 Anyone who can spot when Richard

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: Is there no way in this case to formally 'claim' the IPR for this features on the basis that we have moved them and edited all the surrounding features? Yes, there is - tag it with odbl=clean. To replace a single node that forms a junction might involve unstitching 3

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Michael Collinson wrote: +1 to Richard's suggestion odbl=clean Just a tiny little clarification - this isn't something I've dreamed up, it's a real live tag with 9,000 occurrences in the database already, and which is being used by status visualisations such as OSM Inspector. :) cheers Richard

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Earl wrote: Why does pressing the keys make any difference whatsoever? The original contributor doesn't own the copyright in the name, only their contribution, and by marking it odbl clean I'm making an alternative contribution which asserts the source is now legitimate. I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Pigging potlach ...

2012-01-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: OK how many of you are having trouble editing for more than 10 minutes? I've lost as much work as I've done this evening with potlach just freezing :( I had the same problem at the weekend, but put it down to finger trouble, know I know it is software. If you _know_

Re: [Talk-GB] Pigging potlach ...

2012-01-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Sturdy wrote: The slowdown I notice is on a single-core 512Mb machine, and I haven't looked into full system statistics for it but the behaviour is consistent with thrashing virtual memory... after editing for a while, drawing ways with the mouse gets very slow (almost freezes); I

[Talk-GB] South-West England - calling Guy

2012-01-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jason Cunningham wrote: Thanks Mike, I'll now start having a proper go at replacing some of Guys data. A monumental task and I think I'll just start with the important roads. A very curious situation, as Guy appears to still be mapping in OSM, just with a new account (GUY, all-caps:

Re: [Talk-GB] Pigging potlach ...

2012-01-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Sturdy wrote: Another oddity I've noticed (also probably deep within Flash) is that P2 sometimes either doesn't respond to a keypress but does to the corresponding mouse click, or just responds much slower to the keypress. (I notice this with add in advanced mode, versus the + key.)

Re: [Talk-GB] Help with remapping

2012-01-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: [2] Originally meaning this is a legally declared 'Public Footpath', it was ambiguously confused with a general legal right of walking (e.g. on a bridleway). Automatic inclusion on all footpaths of any type by potlatch1 for a number of years [Brief historical footnote:

[Talk-GB] Severn Way finished!

2012-01-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Now mapped from the source to Bristol. Thanks to everyone who did part of it and especially Steve Brook and Ed Loach for filling the gap near Bewdley. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] OS VectorMap District road files for Devon and Cornwall

2012-02-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, In order to assist remapping in the South-West, I've uploaded a bunch of OS-derived shapefiles each containing all the roads in a 10km x 10km area. You can use Potlatch 2 to bring these geometries into the map, saving tracing work. To load: 1. Open Potlatch 2 at the required area.

Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap District road files for Devon and Cornwall

2012-02-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Fairhurst wrote: There is lots that could be improved about this workflow: implementing TagTransform to remap tags automatically [...] I'm very very unlikely to have much time to do this before 1st April Oh, ok then. P2 now supports MapCSS-based tag transformations. Or in English

Re: [Talk-GB] OS VectorMap District road files for Devon and Cornwall

2012-02-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I've posted a how-to at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping/Potlatch_2_vector_background_layers and uploaded VectorMap District roads for ST and SY, so now the whole of Devon, Cornwall and Somerset should be included. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-GB] Residents invited to celebrate launch of the Wales Coast Path

2012-02-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Do we have anyone who wants to try to secure some OSM involvement in this: I've done a bit of mapping of the WCP, with each county section as a separate relation, all grouped together into a Wales Coast Path super-relation:

[Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

2012-03-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
We change to the new licence in just under a month's time, so it's a good time to look at the current state of the UK. What's likely not to be carried through to the new database? The good news is that the UK is in a very healthy state overall. Just under 99% of nodes will survive (98.68%

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